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[LTC8K6]

Looks like a more playful Aston Martin sedan. But a lot less snoody.

More playful with only 130 foot lbs of torque?

I hope somehow it is not as slow as that number implies.

 

[TraumaRN]

More playful with only 130 foot lbs of torque?

I hope somehow it is not as slow as that number implies.

Just remember that's from the gas engine only. The electric motor probably adds 60-70 pounds of torque. But for whatever reason Ford doesn't include that. I'm assuming because its a variable number based on how much power is being demanded from said electric motor.

 

[disappoint]

0-60 in 9.0 seconds. A car that looks like an Aston Martin should do a little better than that in the performance category. How about 40mpg and 0-60 in 7.5s? That would be sweet.

 

[LTC8K6]

Just remember that's from the gas engine only. The electric motor probably adds 60-70 pounds of torque. But for whatever reason Ford doesn't include that. I'm assuming because its a variable number based on how much power is being demanded from said electric motor.

It shouldn't be slower than the 8.5 seconds of the earlier version, come to think of it.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files...ma-hybrid-and-malibu-hybridlong-rangers-1.pdf

 

[TraumaRN]

It shouldn't be slower than the 8.5 seconds of the earlier version, come to think of it.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files...ma-hybrid-and-malibu-hybridlong-rangers-1.pdf

Motor trend has it listed as...8.5seconds. Same as my 2010 Fusion Hybrid.

The electric motor is rated at 117hp and 118 for torque. Blended through the trans so honestly should have plenty of torque.

 

[LTC8K6]

I expect it to be a touch quicker after reading a bit.

 

[Demo24]

Well the electric motor only helps it out to what 35mph or so? Don't forget its heavier at around 3600lbs due to hybrid stuffs.

Interesting they went back to Atkinson cycle( which I believe is known to be poor for torque), don't think one has been in production since the Mazda millennia.


Either way I really like this car and I think I'm going to work on getting my mom into a hybrid version.

 

[LTC8K6]

The lithium-ion battery pack saves weight and generates more power than previous NiMH batteries, and allows the second generation Fusion Hybrid to raise its maximum speed under electric-only power from 47 to 62 mph (76 to 100 km/h).

From Wiki.

The first gen was 8.5 seconds to 60. I expect the second gen to be slightly better.

 

[rcpratt]

I'll have to drive it of course, but this is definitely the way that I'm leaning for my next...

 

[TraumaRN]

Well the electric motor only helps it out to what 35mph or so? Don't forget its heavier at around 3600lbs due to hybrid stuffs.

Interesting they went back to Atkinson cycle( which I believe is known to be poor for torque), don't think one has been in production since the Mazda millennia.


Either way I really like this car and I think I'm going to work on getting my mom into a hybrid version.

My 2010 Fusion Hybrid is Atkinson as are all Ford hybrids. The electric motor assists at all speeds.

My car feels like it has more torque than its rated. Partially because quick jabs of the throttle causes the system to use the electric motor for a quick dose of torque.

 

[Throckmorton]

Wasn't someone on this forum saying that you don't gain efficiency by having a bigger piston volume to extract more energy from combustion? So why is an Atkinson cycle engine more efficient than a smaller engine with the same intake displacement?

 

[HybridSquirrel]

I'll wait to believe it with real world testing. Seems like the newer cars aren't getting the claimed MPG like the cars from the early 2000's and mid 90's

basically this. A lot of the claimed mpg are higher than actual.

 

[TraumaRN]

basically this. A lot of the claimed mpg are higher than actual.

It also depends on driving style. My Fusion Hybrid is rated for 39mpg combined and after 65,000 miles I've averaged 42mpg combined. And that is with minimal hypermiling techniques. I go 70 on the freeway and generally drive normal.

Heck I drive from Detroit to Washington DC this summer and averaged 44 MPG on the highway when the car is only rated 36mpg highway.

 

[Pulsar]

I'll wait to believe it with real world testing. Seems like the newer cars aren't getting the claimed MPG like the cars from the early 2000's and mid 90's

Uhhh....

You do realize the new EPA test cycle and rating is FAR more accurate than the old one, and that 2000's and mid 90's cars varied wildly from their EPA numbers?

 

[lakedude]

Interesting they went back to Atkinson cycle( which I believe is known to be poor for torque), don't think one has been in production since the Mazda millennia.

I'm pretty sure the Atkinson cycle has been available in hybrids for a while now. The Prius has had one for as long as I can remember.

Either way I really like this car and I think I'm going to work on getting my mom into a hybrid version.

Cool!

 

[lakedude]

Uhhh....

You do realize the new EPA test cycle and rating is FAR more accurate than the old one, and that 2000's and mid 90's cars varied wildly from their EPA numbers?

"accurate" is not the word I'd use.

The new testing methodology that started for model year 2008 is different and may reflect typical use better but both methods were accurate relative to what they were testing.

For hypermilers the new testing is less "accurate" because they were already beating the old, higher numbers.

 

[Demo24]

My bad on the Atkinson engines, guess I never really paid attention to it before.

As for the epa numbers, it also depends on where you live. I tend to achieve right about what the numbers suggest to beating them. I don't exactly try to do so either but where I'm driving its not hard to get decent numbers.

 

[SearchMaster]

There's a lot that goes into MPG obviously but if you're cognizant of how you're driving the EPA ratings are usually easy to beat. On my old (longer with fewer stops) commute, I got 28-29 on almost all tanks with my Maxima rated at 18/26/20. My Accord was 30-32, rated at 20/27/23. Now my trips are generally much shorter with more stops, but I still get 27-30 on every tank with my Accord and am at 29.1 over the last ~3000 miles. I drive the speed limit and get there quickly if anyone is behind me, otherwise I get there efficiently. My car isn't much fun to drive so I figure maximizing my MPG is some sort of fun factor, and I love the fact that I get 10% better than highway rating on a car with almost a quarter million miles .

 

[SparkyJJO]

Uhhh....

You do realize the new EPA test cycle and rating is FAR more accurate than the old one, and that 2000's and mid 90's cars varied wildly from their EPA numbers?

The revised numbers for both my cars are further from actual than the old numbers were

 

[slugg]

More playful with only 130 foot lbs of torque?

I hope somehow it is not as slow as that number implies.

Yes, LOOKS like a playful (less agressive) Aston, to me. You don't see torque.

 

[gorobei]

Looks like a more playful Aston Martin sedan. But a lot less snoody.

looks like the latest gen(5th) of ford mondeo (aka rental car james bond drove in casino royale 4thgen)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mondeo

 

[LTC8K6]

Yes, LOOKS like a playful (less agressive) Aston, to me. You don't see torque.

Too late, I already revised my thinking.

 

[Squisher]

I wonder why Ford doesn't offer the Fusion and especially the hybrid in a hatch back which would blow away the Prius in cargo space. They did it with the Focus and now the C-Max.