4690k @ 4.5ghz + 1.125V, good cpu or I did something wrong?

AzNKiD

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First off, this is my first time OCing, and i read alot about haswell overclocking already. Most say I would need at least 1.20v to reach 4.5ghz, so I am surprised by my specs and want to double check I actually did things right. My cooler is evo 212 with asus z97-a.

stock = 3.5ghz, 1.015V max cpu 51C

Bios left everything default, with auto on everything including uncore and cache voltage

OC test runs: only things i changed is multiplier and core voltage

Manual 4.5ghz + 1.20V = ran stress test for 20mins all good, decided to lower vcore, max cpu ~68C

4.5ghz + 1.15V = stress for 20mins, still appear stable, max cpu 65C

4.5ghz + 1.05v = windows wont boot

4.5ghz + 1.10v = windows boot but bsod when i tried to run cpuid

4.5ghz + 1.125 = stress test with aida64 ~3 hours with max cpu temp of 64C

Isnt this a good, safe overclock? I dont really care about going higher then 4.5ghz, so I think i can stick with this setting. I am confused about the uncore speed though. I left it at auto in bios, and its its hitting 39x mult for 3.9ghz. I also dont know which variable is the uncore voltage. I read you have to be carefull about that as well if left in auto, so does anyone know which one from my screen cap is the uncore voltage? How about the rest of voltages figures, safe?

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I going to run prime95 v26.6 overnight right now and see what happens tomorrow, but I am surprised if this is really stable at such low vcore and temps.
 
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Spungo

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You need to run a GPU stress test at the same time. I've found that my AMD processors can be undervolted by extreme amounts and pass every CPU test, but the low voltage can cause GPU artifacts.

Run the OCCT PSU test for 24 hours. If you can do that, it's probably stable. If you start seeing crashes in games, raise the CPU voltage and see if the crashes persist.
 

BSim500

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First off, this is my first time OCing, and i read alot about haswell overclocking already. Most say I would need at least 1.20v to reach 4.5ghz, so I am surprised by my specs and want to double check I actually did things right. My cooler is evo 212 with asus z97-a.

Some CPU's are better than others due to the "silicone lottery" so "x voltage is needed for y frequency" is more of a general guideline than a hard rule. I have an i5-3570 that can do 4.2GHz on barely 0.996v and runs ridiculously cool under load. "Uncore" is the "stuff" on the CPU other than CPU cores & iGPU, ie, the onboard memory controller, L3 cache, etc.
 

wilds

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I can get my chip to feel stable at 4.7 GHz at reasonable voltages, but once I start stress testing with LinX, Prime95, or CPU intensive games like Watch_Dogs or GTA IV, I'll get problems.

My i5 has a very boring overclock; but stable.
 

monkeydelmagico

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The voltages look fine. What's really important is the temperatures. I'd run a couple hours of prime to double check it against the AIDA temps.
 

AzNKiD

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So last night I ran prime95 and checked on it for like 30mins before I went to bed. Max temps was only 64C, so I left it running overnight. Woke up to a crashed and rebooted pc. I up'ed the vcore to 1.13v and started prime95 again before I went to work this morning. will find out status when I get home later.

I'll try that OCCT test later, but as for GPU test, should I continue to use aida plus include the gpu test, or should I be running prime95 + furmark to stress all components?

I am still confused on all the uncore/cache voltage. I cant seem to find this status on any of the software i been running. In the bios, I left it at auto, and I can see the voltage moving around with a max of ~1.20v. Is that okay? Like I said, I left everything at auto except manual vcore + syn all cores multiplier.
 

KaRLiToS

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You should be running Prime 95 + Unigine Valley. And run prime95 for 12 hours first, then Unigine Valley for 12 hours. If both pass try prime95 and Unigine Valley together. And if that test pass, it's golden.

Furmark and OCCT is not good in my opinion.

It is normal to see the voltage moving around, if it goes up tp 1.20v when you have it set lower in the BIOS, this means you have LLC on (Load Line Calibration). There are a couple of LLC settings: Off, Normal, High, Extreme. It is best to choose Normal or High for 24/7 overclocks.

Without LLC, if you set your voltage to 1.15v, it will be at 1.15v on idle and as soon as you put some load on the CPU, the voltage will drop (Called VDrop). This drop might cause the CPU to BSOD unless you have set a low LLC and higher voltage to play with that Vdrop.

LLC is there to maintain a constant voltage when load is applid to the CPU.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2404/5
http://www.masterslair.com/vdroop-and-load-line-calibration-is-vdroop-really-bad

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AzNKiD

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Hey KaRLiToS, I think we are confused on what voltage I been talking about. The core voltage, which I set to manual in bios, is matching with all the monitoring software and is constant on idle or load.

The uncore/ring bus/cache or whatever name they use on different mobo is the voltage that I am concern about it. I left it in auto at bios and it shows voltages changing and up to 1.2v at bios, but none of my monitoring software in windows show this stat so that I can check its max during load. Whats a good safe voltage for this?

I just VPN to my home network and checked up on it, still going good with prime95 at 2+ hours at 1.13v vcore and temps less then 60c. One thing I realize is that on hwinfo64, the clockspeed went up to 4.6ghz as a max, even though it should be only 4.5ghz. The uncore clock went up to 4ghz max while it stabilize at 3.9ghz. Check below capture, weird?

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AzNKiD

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I read some mobos cant turn off the turbo mode, and I think mines is one of them. I have asus z97-a and when i disable turbo, the cpu multiplier goes back to auto, if I change the multiplier, the turbo goes back to enable.

anyways, i was able to get 12+ hours of prime95 at 1.15v last night. Will try with gpu stress tonight, and might even lower to 1.14v. Thanks everyone, i guess ill leave the cache ratio along at auto since it seems stable.
 

futurefields

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you looking for the exact hundredth of a voltage that is right on the line of what your cpu needs to function correctly?

why not just set it to 1.2 and be done with? the cpu will outlast all other components in your pc
 

BonzaiDuck

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Had to chime in here, and I can see my post could easily become another thread topic.

"First time OC'ing . . . " Welcome . . . to our obsessive-compulsive addiction, AzNKiD!!

I started doing "it" around 2004. There had been a time when I build a new PC for myself every year or two. Now, my pattern has changed. I would think that the more you do "it," the greater your accumulation of experience with "it." But there are caveats.

Every new processor generation means a new chipset generation, and every new chipset generation seems to add more extra features for overclocking. Take for instance the bCLK "strap" available with IB-K processors but unavailable to SB-K -- for the Z77 chipset. [Do I have that wrong? Say sumpin!] Then there is the addition of cache speed and voltage, which wasn't available on boards a few years back. So with every processor and chipset generation, there is a learning curve.

IDontCare -- one of our truly renowned contributors -- offered some insight into finding a "sweet spot" of voltage for an overclock speed. He suggested that there is a voltage range, just above "unstable," in which processor errors occur but get corrected. The focus of his attention was the LinX stress-test. Running it with "affinity" set to four threads and one for each core, the program generates consistent GFLOPS results for each test iteration. IDC suggested that noticeable variability in these results may be symptomatic of the errors that occur. In other words, a list of 20 or 30 GFLOPS results with a higher range, standard error or just "variability" may suggest a voltage that is at a margin for being too low.

With that, I've sort of changed my overclocking strategy in hopes of minimizing BSODs during stress-tests: I deliberately start testing a clock setting with a voltage that may be a bit too high, and then I run samples -- 10 or 15 iterations -- in affinitized LinX to watch the GFLOPS results.

Other than that, there is a "race" situation once described by ShintaiDK when I asked why stress-test programs didn't trap the errors or failures, instead of generating a BSOD.

But even -- I could even say especially -- the BSODs are symptomatic for choosing the next step. The BSOD stop codes like 101, 09C, 124 etc. indicate what feature may be causing the crash. 09C or 124? Consider raising the IMC voltage. 101? Bump up the VCORE.

There are also different opinions about the length and type of stress-test which guarantees 24/7 stability. The traditional view suggests one needs to run Prime95 for 24 hours. Keep in mind that there is an "sFFT," "lFFT" and "Blend" test in Prime95. Further, errors not shown in the intensive sFFT "CPU-intensive" test may show up in lFFT if there is a problem with the RAM configuration.

Prime95 still has useful value. On the other hand, if we can reduce the length of these tests, it would speed up the tuning and fine-tuning.

OCCT provides a "CPU:OCCT" test and a "CPU:Linpack" test. The author argues that his CPU:OCCT test will find errors early -- within a 3.5 hour test run. It also finds those errors without generating the same sort of temperatures you find with CPU:LinPack, affinitized LinX, IntelBurnTest.

I was able to convince myself through test results that his claim is reasonably true. So I run CPU:OCCT first of all -- for 3.5 hours. Then I run the LinPack version for 4 hours. I move on to LinX for a prelim run of 20 iterations, followed by the "samples" I mentioned. Once all that is done, I may run either LinX or IBT for 30 to 50 iterations to "validate" stable settings.

I also run Prime95 sFFT and lFFT for 4 hours each.

If you're seeking to overclock a similar processor, same socket, then the second time around it should take much less time.

But finding the very lowest voltage at which you think you found "stability" isn't likely enough. You should keep notes on your BIOS changes, the length of successful and unsuccessful stress-tests alike -- and that includes these "threshold" voltages. Once you've found the threshold, you want to bump up the voltage settings a couple notches and start looking at GFLOPS results.

And what I should've written at the very beginning: test the whole enchilada at stock settings first. In fact, before you even install windows, you should test the RAM at its stock settings thoroughly.

In the midst of all this new discussion on stress-testing, I find the latest advice to turn off the AVX2 parts of these tests, to avoid temperatures that would never occur in any meaningful real-world usage of that part of the instruction set. I suppose that makes sense.

On the matter of temperatures. Which -- also raises a discussion about cooling strategy. The processor is supposed to operate in a range of temperatures at stock settings. Temperature increases by the square of voltage increases, and linearly with clock speed. I usually aim for the TCASE spec with my cooling strategy, although there's a prevalent view that you can heat these puppies up to the point where they throttle at the TJunction temperature spec. There IS NO TCASE sensor, and you would expect core temperatures, average peak core temperatures or package temperature to exceed the mythical TCASE.

So -- two thoughts. First, there is some limit for reasonable voltage settings, but it has become less evident what it might be since Nehalem, when Intel last published a "maximum safe" voltage spec (for a 32nm processor). Second, you'd like your overclock configuration to operate in a temperature range similar to Intel's stock intentions. Third, you are not likely to see lower temperatures whereby you can achieve the same overclock at some noticeably lower voltage, so it is possible to "over-invest" in cooling. But if the processor operates at temperatures that are very high, there may be increased electrical noise generating instability, and the temptation to keep raising voltages which only increase temperatures.

And there's nothing wrong with OC'ing these processors while leaving EIST, C1E and the other energy-saving features turned on. What you will find by using a "fixed VCORE" overclocking strategy, should be no harder to find with those features and "turbo" enabled.

Finally, this is an obsession. You begin to think that higher Ghz is better, but benchtests may prove otherwise. Overclocking becomes an end in itself. It's probably best to keep this in mind as you go through the process and make decisions as to whether you found a "good clock" and choose to stop pushing it further.