44th Anniversary of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty - 34 Killed, 173 Wounded

[Freshgeardude]

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FGD can call me an idiot or not, but no matter what I do, it won't create international incidents.

But Israel has self created a its own self myths about the pit bulls in the IDF. And Bozo Netanuhu is much like Hitler, who kept advancing the German position after grabbing the Rhineland and Czechoslovakia.

But surprise surprise, Hitler made one new move after saying it was his latest rape was the last, and the whole weight of the international community fell on him.Two years later the full shooting war started despite every Hitler effort to get back in good graces.

As for ole Hitler, he invested much money in a PR org called the German American Bund. And soon had a bunch of American heavyweights dancing to his tune. But the day after Pearl Harbor, that German AIPAC was gone, and I have every confidence Bozo Netanyuhu will do something similar to American attitudes. Bozo Netanyuhu is as delusional as they come and if I were an Israeli, I would fire his ass as a clear and unmitigated danger to Israel.

Now to some extent we are one years into the so called WW2 phony war, and Bozo ain't doing nothing to defuse it.

But hey, I don't expect you to believe me FGD, because you will only believe me after its happens. But by then it will be too late.

At least Hitler had a big coalition, six million pit bull Jews don't amount to more than a desulional Hamster.

Yes, Israel is going to attack the United States on the same level Japan did on Pearl Harbor.

you are such an idiot.


and guess what?

you have been wrong every time you have made a prediction and now, come 9/2011, you have already backtracked on your statement that a Palestinian state will be happening.


even Abbas is having doubts because, just like I predicted, NO USA MONEY.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=224393

but he wont stop, because by doing so will kill any support he has now.



Just like I predicted. I was right. just like every time before.


you on the other hand have been wrong. every. single. time.

 

[Lemon law]

Frankly FGD dude , your position amazes me, with all the events happening in the mid-east, you cling to one article in Jpost. But when I cite other articles from Jpost or Harretz to the contrary, suddenly they are all full of shit. The Palestinian Peace process is ongoing, lots of internal debates going on in Hamas, Fatah, the Arab League, and Israel.
Not to mention the wider world, who are overwhelmingly sick of Israeli arrogance.

One of many predictions I made is looking right, in future the USA will no longer be trusted to broker any mid-east peace talks as the French fire the first shot. Meanwhile we have Turkish elections in another two days, and if the current party wins its really bad news for Israeli. Meanwhile another bigger flotilla is likely to soon sail, the UN may come out against Israel rights to board ships on the high seas, and its likely the Pals will turn to non violent protests. As the international pressure builds against Obama vetoing a Palestinian State in September.

But lets see what happens , as the distance Netanyuhu tries to straddle now approaches a full light year. Of course the other thing to say, is that Israeli position has turned to total shit in just this past year.

But still, no one can predict exactly what will happen and when. But when Your ole Bozo insulted Obama, it may not have been very smart.

 

[Doboji]

In all seriousness, if you said this to my face I'd beat your head in. You pathetic piece of garbage.

Is there no boundary for utter hatred in this forum? The Passover blood libel? Are you fucking kidding me?

Someone gets it !

The only human beings on Earth known to celebrate 9-11 on 9-11 were 5 Israeli men who were captured in Bergen Park, New Jersey.

As was reported in the following papers -
* Haaretz, September 16
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC.html
* ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
* Bergen Park Record
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html

They were raucously celebrating & high-fiving as they watched the events unfold across the Hudson River in New York state. They were taken into custody by the US government.

It was written up in the Bergen Park newspaper, among other news sources, then subsequently expunged - not unlike how the USS Liberty incident has been expunged from US history textbooks.

Israel doesn't want American schoolchildren finding out the truth about Israel's past & present.


That's one example of the Israeli penchant for Ritual Human Sacrifice.

Another is thoroughly documented in the book by Israeli History Professor, Ariel Toaff, in his book, Blood Passover

http://bloodpassover.com/index1.htm

The capture and ritual sacrifice of Gentile children was an unfortunate custom among Jewish rabbi's in the Middle Ages, as documented by Professor Toaff.

One such incident resulted in the 2 year old child being given Sainthood by the Catholic church. The child's name was Simon, now Saint Simon of Trent -

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com/


One has to wonder if this is what Jesus was talking about when He used the term "Synagogue of Satan".

Was Jesus - a Jew who criticized criminal & murderous behavior practiced by other Jews - anti-Semitic ?

 

[Karl Agathon]

In all seriousness, if you said this to my face I'd beat your head in. You pathetic piece of garbage.

Is there no boundary for utter hatred in this forum? The Passover blood libel? Are you fucking kidding me?

in this forum, there seem to be people who have criticisms of Israel and have nothing against Jewish people in general. Then there are others who just flat out hate Jews and anything to do with Jewish people. He is a piece of garbage, but the really sad part is there are actually others who believe that age old libel.

 

[Nebor]

in this forum, there seem to be people who have criticisms of Israel and have nothing against Jewish people in general. Then there are others who just flat out hate Jews and anything to do with Jewish people. He is a piece of garbage, but the really sad part is there are actually others who believe that age old libel.

And then there are those of thus that feel we have a duty to defend Israel. They could massacre the Palestinians en mass and I wouldn't give a wit.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Frankly FGD dude , your position amazes me, with all the events happening in the mid-east, you cling to one article in Jpost. But when I cite other articles from Jpost or Harretz to the contrary, suddenly they are all full of shit. The Palestinian Peace process is ongoing, lots of internal debates going on in Hamas, Fatah, the Arab League, and Israel.
Not to mention the wider world, who are overwhelmingly sick of Israeli arrogance.

One of many predictions I made is looking right, in future the USA will no longer be trusted to broker any mid-east peace talks as the French fire the first shot. Meanwhile we have Turkish elections in another two days, and if the current party wins its really bad news for Israeli. Meanwhile another bigger flotilla is likely to soon sail, the UN may come out against Israel rights to board ships on the high seas, and its likely the Pals will turn to non violent protests. As the international pressure builds against Obama vetoing a Palestinian State in September.

But lets see what happens , as the distance Netanyuhu tries to straddle now approaches a full light year. Of course the other thing to say, is that Israeli position has turned to total shit in just this past year.

But still, no one can predict exactly what will happen and when. But when Your ole Bozo insulted Obama, it may not have been very smart.

What articles you post from jpost and haaretz are all opinion articles. They distort the facts based on their political views. You NEVER post factual articles.



Keep searching the corners of the internet for your articles.



Your predictions are no where near accurate. No matter how you want to try and distort the facts, you have always been wrong.



Nothing is going to happen between the US and Israel or the US and the world.



At the end of the day, the world crawls back to the us for help.




The flotilla is not breaking the blockade no matter how much you think it will. The world doesn't care enough of the Palestinians to do anything against Israel.


When people launch rockets at your cities and have a track record for suicide bombings, the Western world isn't going to defend them. Only the Arab world and oil politics make the UN care.




I can't wait for the day all these Arab countries crash and implode because all their oil swells up

 

[Karl Agathon]

And then there are those of thus that feel we have a duty to defend Israel. They could massacre the Palestinians en mass and I wouldn't give a wit.

I myself am Pro-Israel and am extremely happy about their nuclear second strike capablity. However, I think one can defend Israel vigorously and also have legitimate concerns about a specific govt policy (for example)

 

[Craig234]

And then there are those of thus that feel we have a duty to defend Israel. They could massacre the Palestinians en mass and I wouldn't give a wit.

Which makes you different than the worst Al Queda terrorist who feels they have a duty to kill Americans and wouldn't care if Americans were massacred...

Well, you're worse, for a variety of reasons, including you have a lot better access to information than the poor kids in the Middle East raised in isolated environments.

I've said before you are a sociopath supporting evil, you back up my point over and over.

In fact, you don't really seem to disagree.

 

[Craig234]

There was a very useful documentary on the issue from the BBC I found.

It has among other things all kinds of useful interviews from crew members, US officials, and Israelis.

It presents much evidence the attack was intentional - and there were schemes.

And that there was an intentional coverup still occuring.

For example, it presents claims by an American with access to Israeli radio communications that the pilot repeatedly questioned his orders to attack the ship, saying that it is an American ship and he questioned the orders, but was told to proceed with the attack.

It also has plenty of homemade movies by the crew and footage from the period of the ship and other things.

Some of the interviews have the intelligence officials and political officials being questioned about the USS Liberty incident and saying they can't talk about it.

It does provide more than enough plausible motives, some of which are not that simple, but they include the possibility someone in Israel - fighting their first major war, with the US only a slight ally mainly because it was opposed to the Egyptian government being allied with the Soviets - attempting to sink the ship fast and blame it on the Egyptians to get the US to attack Egypt. IMO it's plausible. It also adds information on how President Johnson could be privately furious but cover it up.

Robert McNamara was candid about many things in modern interviews, and here he completely contradicts Israeli assertions that the US had given them a 'green light' for the war, saying that US did not want Israel to attack first, but flatly says he will not answer questions about the USS Liberty.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311#

 

[Nebor]

Which makes you different than the worst Al Queda terrorist who feels they have a duty to kill Americans and wouldn't care if Americans were massacred...

Well, you're worse, for a variety of reasons, including you have a lot better access to information than the poor kids in the Middle East raised in isolated environments.

I've said before you are a sociopath supporting evil, you back up my point over and over.

In fact, you don't really seem to disagree.

Meh. :whiste:

 

[nobodyknows]

This is an absurd claim: Please inform us how this "guy" was able to read the minds of the Israeli pilots and determine that the pilots "knew EXACTLY" that the ship was American.

Perhaps it was because they were flying a large American flag, yet the planes continued to attack??

DUHHHHHH!!

 

[nobodyknows]

and where is your proof?

[/qoute]

Where is yours?

look at this article. it says it was a mistake with "undoubted sources"

Sorry, but I can't be bothered to read the drivel of someone selling a book.

 

[lothar]

I disagree with you a bit on a US motive to cover it up; almost immediately, the US decided to start supporting Israel because they had done well in the war.

If the US had publicly said Israel had attacked them, it would have forced things the US did not want, in terms of retaliation and/or developing relations.

I agree with you more on Israel's motive being a question; and that would vary depending what level would have chosen it, from pilot on up.

In a controversial speculation, James Bamford suggested that Israel was not wanting witnesses to what it was doing. I can't say much of an opinion about that.

Here's a pretty riveting excerpt from his book which is mostly not about this issue:



http://hnn.us/articles/191.html

There are a lot of questions left by that account, and it doesn't answer what level of Israel approved the attack.

Israel was pretty isolated diplomatically at the time, fighting several countries who were looking to attack them.

If that was really their intention, then why didn't they just sink the ship instead of averting the attack and taking the wounded to Israeli hospitals?
Dead men tell no tales.

 

[0roo0roo]

and the standard anti israeli folk come out in force with their conspiracies and the rest. like clockwork.

sometimes shit happens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
like us missiles shooting down a civilian airliner.

 

[wwswimming]

It seems that some AT member are interested in the subject of Blood Passover, the practice of Ritual Human Sacrifice by Ashkenazi Jews (who incidentally are the same ethnic group that pushed hardest for the formation of Israel.)


from the Introduction to Professor Ariel Toaff's book -

http://bloodpassover.com/toaffintro.htm

"The following translation was performed free of charge to protest an injustice: the destruction by the ADL of Ariel Toaff’s BLOOD PASSOVER on Jewish ritual murder. The author is the son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome, and a professor of Jewish Renaissance and Medieval History at Bar-Ilan University in Israel, just outside Tel Aviv."

The most famous case of this kind occurred in Trent, Italy, in 1475, as a result of which many local Jews were indicted and sentenced to death for the murder of the boy who was to become known as “Simon of Trent”, and was venerated as a Saint for several centuries, until only a few decades ago. An unprejudiced rereading of the original trial records, however, together with the records of several other trials, viewed within the overall European context and supplemented by an exact knowledge of the relevant Hebrew texts, throws new light on the ritual and therapeutic significance of blood in Jewish culture, leading the author of the present study to the reluctant conclusion that, particularly where Ashkenazi Jewry was concerned, the "Blood Libel" accusation was not always an invention.


"- yes, Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their matzoh balls at Passover;
- yes, Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their wine at Passover;
- yes, the blood had to be from Christian boys no more than 7 years of age;
- yes, the blood had [has?] to be certified kosher by a rabbi."


The Cover of Prof. Toaff's book -

Therefore we see why Jewish people have been expelled from approximately 109 countries during the last 2000 years - in some cases, they make REALLY BAD NEIGHBORS.

And the peaceful among them, such as Jesus, and my best friend in college, Josh, a cello student, and Jeff, my Flash instructor, and also my own Jewish family members, end up sharing a religion with criminal elements in the Jewish church / Temple / Synagogue.


So, we know 2 things for sure -
* There is a tradition of ritual human sacrifice in the Jewish church. It is believed by Prof. Toaff to be concentrated among Ashkenazi Jews. The sacrifice of Simon occurred in 1475 AD.
* on June 8, 1967, Israel, largely founded by Ashkenazi Jews, killed 34 American soldiers and wounded 170+ more, in the USS Liberty Incident.


Below is detailed what happened to Saint Simon. It is an example of the Blood Passover rituals -

"The small Simon, a little boy from Trent, was slayed on the 21st March, 1475 A.D., on Maundy-Thursday during Holy Week. The Jews of this town wanted to celebrate their Passover in their own way; so they secretly abducted the small boy and carried him to the house of the Jew Samuel. During Holy Week on Maundy-Thursday, the day before Good Friday, "and" on the day before the outlawed "Perfidious Passover", about three hours after supper, the little boy, like children do, was sitting in front of his parentshouse. Neither his father nor mother were home at the time as they were at Church. It was at this time that the Jew Tobias approached the child, who was not quite 30 months old, and while speaking kindly and offering the boy a piece of money, picked him up and carried him at once to the house of the Jew Samuel.

When night fell, the twin brothers Saligman and Samuel, with Tobias, Vitalis (Veitel), Moses, Israel and Mayr, undressed the little boy and unmercifully butchered him. While Moses strangled him with a handkerchief as he lay across Samuels knee, pieces of flesh from his neck were cut with a knife and the blood collected in a bowl. At the same time, they punctured the naked offering with needles and murmured Hebrew curses. They then cut pieces of flesh from the boys arm and legs and collected the blood in pots."

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com/


This hateful and utterly loony, racist crap will not stand. You need some serious time off. Just what is WRONG with you?

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Karl Agathon]

^^^^Stormfront would be an excellent place for you to post. You would fit right in.

 

[Woofmeister]

It seems that some AT member are interested in the subject of Blood Passover, the practice of Ritual Human Sacrifice by Ashkenazi Jews (who incidentally are the same ethnic group that pushed hardest for the formation of Israel.)


from the Introduction to Professor Ariel Toaff's book -

http://bloodpassover.com/toaffintro.htm

"The following translation was performed free of charge to protest an injustice: the destruction by the ADL of Ariel Toaff’s BLOOD PASSOVER on Jewish ritual murder. The author is the son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome, and a professor of Jewish Renaissance and Medieval History at Bar-Ilan University in Israel, just outside Tel Aviv."

The most famous case of this kind occurred in Trent, Italy, in 1475, as a result of which many local Jews were indicted and sentenced to death for the murder of the boy who was to become known as “Simon of Trent”, and was venerated as a Saint for several centuries, until only a few decades ago. An unprejudiced rereading of the original trial records, however, together with the records of several other trials, viewed within the overall European context and supplemented by an exact knowledge of the relevant Hebrew texts, throws new light on the ritual and therapeutic significance of blood in Jewish culture, leading the author of the present study to the reluctant conclusion that, particularly where Ashkenazi Jewry was concerned, the "Blood Libel" accusation was not always an invention.


"- yes, Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their matzoh balls at Passover;
- yes, Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their wine at Passover;
- yes, the blood had to be from Christian boys no more than 7 years of age;
- yes, the blood had [has?] to be certified kosher by a rabbi."


The Cover of Prof. Toaff's book -

Therefore we see why Jewish people have been expelled from approximately 109 countries during the last 2000 years - in some cases, they make REALLY BAD NEIGHBORS.

And the peaceful among them, such as Jesus, and my best friend in college, Josh, a cello student, and Jeff, my Flash instructor, and also my own Jewish family members, end up sharing a religion with criminal elements in the Jewish church / Temple / Synagogue.


So, we know 2 things for sure -
* There is a tradition of ritual human sacrifice in the Jewish church. It is believed by Prof. Toaff to be concentrated among Ashkenazi Jews. The sacrifice of Simon occurred in 1475 AD.
* on June 8, 1967, Israel, largely founded by Ashkenazi Jews, killed 34 American soldiers and wounded 170+ more, in the USS Liberty Incident.


Below is detailed what happened to Saint Simon. It is an example of the Blood Passover rituals -

"The small Simon, a little boy from Trent, was slayed on the 21st March, 1475 A.D., on Maundy-Thursday during Holy Week. The Jews of this town wanted to celebrate their Passover in their own way; so they secretly abducted the small boy and carried him to the house of the Jew Samuel. During Holy Week on Maundy-Thursday, the day before Good Friday, "and" on the day before the outlawed "Perfidious Passover", about three hours after supper, the little boy, like children do, was sitting in front of his parentshouse. Neither his father nor mother were home at the time as they were at Church. It was at this time that the Jew Tobias approached the child, who was not quite 30 months old, and while speaking kindly and offering the boy a piece of money, picked him up and carried him at once to the house of the Jew Samuel.

When night fell, the twin brothers Saligman and Samuel, with Tobias, Vitalis (Veitel), Moses, Israel and Mayr, undressed the little boy and unmercifully butchered him. While Moses strangled him with a handkerchief as he lay across Samuels knee, pieces of flesh from his neck were cut with a knife and the blood collected in a bowl. At the same time, they punctured the naked offering with needles and murmured Hebrew curses. They then cut pieces of flesh from the boys arm and legs and collected the blood in pots."

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com/

And wwswiming now presents irrefutable proof that if you scratch an "anti-zionist" long enough, eventually you get down to the to the chewy classic anti-semite center.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Perhaps it was because they were flying a large American flag, yet the planes continued to attack??

DUHHHHHH!!

The flags that are flown while underway are fairly large. 5' x 8' and also a holiday colors that are 11' x 17'. According to the USS Liberty crewmembers they shifted to the holiday colors after the standard flag was destroyed during the air attack.

 

[randomrogue]

ITT: Bunch of nut jobs. I find it amazing that people are still anti-semitic today. You headcases probably blame the Jews for killing Jesus right?

 

[0roo0roo]

It seems that some AT member are interested in the subject of Blood Passover, the practice of Ritual Human Sacrifice by Ashkenazi Jews (who incidentally are the same ethnic group that pushed hardest for the formation of Israel.)


from the Introduction to Professor Ariel Toaff's book -

http://bloodpassover.com/toaffintro.htm

"The following translation was performed free of charge to protest an injustice: the destruction by the ADL of Ariel Toaff’s BLOOD PASSOVER on Jewish ritual murder. The author is the son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome, and a professor of Jewish Renaissance and Medieval History at Bar-Ilan University in Israel, just outside Tel Aviv."

The most famous case of this kind occurred in Trent, Italy, in 1475, as a result of which many local Jews were indicted and sentenced to death for the murder of the boy who was to become known as “Simon of Trent”, and was venerated as a Saint for several centuries, until only a few decades ago. An unprejudiced rereading of the original trial records, however, together with the records of several other trials, viewed within the overall European context and supplemented by an exact knowledge of the relevant Hebrew texts, throws new light on the ritual and therapeutic significance of blood in Jewish culture, leading the author of the present study to the reluctant conclusion that, particularly where Ashkenazi Jewry was concerned, the "Blood Libel" accusation was not always an invention.


"- yes, Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their matzoh balls at Passover;
- yes, Jews used [and still use?] Christian human blood in their wine at Passover;
- yes, the blood had to be from Christian boys no more than 7 years of age;
- yes, the blood had [has?] to be certified kosher by a rabbi."


The Cover of Prof. Toaff's book -

Therefore we see why Jewish people have been expelled from approximately 109 countries during the last 2000 years - in some cases, they make REALLY BAD NEIGHBORS.

And the peaceful among them, such as Jesus, and my best friend in college, Josh, a cello student, and Jeff, my Flash instructor, and also my own Jewish family members, end up sharing a religion with criminal elements in the Jewish church / Temple / Synagogue.


So, we know 2 things for sure -
* There is a tradition of ritual human sacrifice in the Jewish church. It is believed by Prof. Toaff to be concentrated among Ashkenazi Jews. The sacrifice of Simon occurred in 1475 AD.
* on June 8, 1967, Israel, largely founded by Ashkenazi Jews, killed 34 American soldiers and wounded 170+ more, in the USS Liberty Incident.


Below is detailed what happened to Saint Simon. It is an example of the Blood Passover rituals -

"The small Simon, a little boy from Trent, was slayed on the 21st March, 1475 A.D., on Maundy-Thursday during Holy Week. The Jews of this town wanted to celebrate their Passover in their own way; so they secretly abducted the small boy and carried him to the house of the Jew Samuel. During Holy Week on Maundy-Thursday, the day before Good Friday, "and" on the day before the outlawed "Perfidious Passover", about three hours after supper, the little boy, like children do, was sitting in front of his parentshouse. Neither his father nor mother were home at the time as they were at Church. It was at this time that the Jew Tobias approached the child, who was not quite 30 months old, and while speaking kindly and offering the boy a piece of money, picked him up and carried him at once to the house of the Jew Samuel.

When night fell, the twin brothers Saligman and Samuel, with Tobias, Vitalis (Veitel), Moses, Israel and Mayr, undressed the little boy and unmercifully butchered him. While Moses strangled him with a handkerchief as he lay across Samuels knee, pieces of flesh from his neck were cut with a knife and the blood collected in a bowl. At the same time, they punctured the naked offering with needles and murmured Hebrew curses. They then cut pieces of flesh from the boys arm and legs and collected the blood in pots."

http://www.stsimonoftrent.com/

yea the anti israel, anti zionism types...let them talk long enough and you see what they really are.

 

[Infohawk]

P&N is progressively becoming dominated by conspiracy theorists and nutjobs.

 

[Craig234]

If that was really their intention, then why didn't they just sink the ship instead of averting the attack and taking the wounded to Israeli hospitals?
Dead men tell no tales.

If it was their intent to 'sink the ship fast and blame Egypt for the attack', then when it failed, it would make a lot of sense for them to take the 'it was an accident' approach.

 

[randomrogue]

This section really needs some moderation if you want normal people to use it. No offense but a lot of what I see in this section isn't politics or news. It's just straight up tin foil hat crap. I'm not sure if any of you have ever found yourself at an event where people wear crazy end of the world signs and tin foil hats but I have once and this section is just like that.

 

[dali71]

This section really needs some moderation if you want normal people to use it. No offense but a lot of what I see in this section isn't politics or news. It's just straight up tin foil hat crap. I'm not sure if any of you have ever found yourself at an event where people wear crazy end of the world signs and tin foil hats but I have once and this section is just like that.

P&N isn't for everyone. You have to be a little crazy to spend any appreciable period of time here.

 

[Infohawk]

This section really needs some moderation if you want normal people to use it. No offense but a lot of what I see in this section isn't politics or news. It's just straight up tin foil hat crap. I'm not sure if any of you have ever found yourself at an event where people wear crazy end of the world signs and tin foil hats but I have once and this section is just like that.

Absolutely. I believe P&N's moderation has evolved over the years to maximize the amount of posters in the forum (ad revenues at the end of the day). I think a lot of posters want a little less insanity / spamming at this point. Forums can be ruined when this sort of nonsense goes unchecked.