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dmcowen674

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42% of Americans still believe Iraqi WMD were found

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Wow. So half of Republicans and a third of Democrats still believe things that are totally false.

We are screwed....when people can be taught to believe obviously untrue things, we have no hope for informed voting.

How can you be surprised?

Do you read any of the posts by the resident Republitards in here?

I don't believe the 1/3 of Democrats believe the Bush/Cheney lie.
 

cabri

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How can you be surprised?

Do you read any of the posts by the resident Republitards in here?

I don't believe the 1/3 of Democrats believe the Bush/Cheney lie.

Given some of your posts, it is entirely believable that Democrats also were believers
 
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Isn't it ironic that the Internet, the single greatest tool in history for widespread dissemination of information, has led to greater ignorance as people actively seek out information and groups that support their preconceived beliefs while ignoring all contradictory evidence, no matter how compelling or widely supported? We've established echo chambers of like-minded individuals so we can delude ourselves into accepting the reality we want to believe in and it's just making us all stupider. Apparently without someone curating the information to show us which pieces are actually real, we're content to be self-righteously ignorant. The Internet: endumbening human civilization for like... 45 years? That sounds about right.
 

ivwshane

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Isn't it ironic that the Internet, the single greatest tool in history for widespread dissemination of information, has led to greater ignorance as people actively seek out information and groups that support their preconceived beliefs while ignoring all contradictory evidence, no matter how compelling or widely supported? We've established echo chambers of like-minded individuals so we can delude ourselves into accepting the reality we want to believe in and it's just making us all stupider. Apparently without someone curating the information to show us which pieces are actually real, we're content to be self-righteously ignorant. The Internet: endumbening human civilization for like... 45 years? That sounds about right.

I think it's just human nature to find those that agree with your views and to shut out the others. The reason why it's so detrimental now is because the internet has allowed us to find like minded individuals much easier. The further back in time we go the harder it was to meet like minded people and it required us to open our minds.
 

Abwx

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OT/

A question not related to the thread, since you live in Indianapolis did you heard by chance of a black musician, bassist and guitarist, who is a relative of Earth Wind and Fire s trombonist Louis Satterfield.?..
 

Vic

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Wow. So half of Republicans and a third of Democrats still believe things that are totally false.

And GOP institutional racism is still alive and well:



A third of the GOP still believes that Obama wasn't born in the US. Why am I not surprised?

We are screwed....when people can be taught to believe obviously untrue things, we have no hope for informed voting.

The saddest part of the birther conspiracy theory is that Obama would still meet the Constitutional natural born citizen requirement even if he were born in Kenya.
 

Fern

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The saddest part of the birther conspiracy theory is that Obama would still meet the Constitutional natural born citizen requirement even if he were born in Kenya.

I don't believe he would have qualified as a citizen at the time.

And we still don't know exactly what 'natural born citizen" means as the high court hasn't taken it up.

Fern
 

Vic

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I don't believe he would have qualified as a citizen at the time.

And we still don't know exactly what 'natural born citizen" means as the high court hasn't taken it up.

Fern
Congress has Constitutional authority over naturalization and immigration laws. The existing law is that a natural born citizen is someone who was a citizen at birth, and a person is a US citizen at birth if they have at least 1 American birth parent, regardless of the actual location of birth.

The citizenship status of Obama's mother is unquestioned. Thus, he is a natural born American citizen. Period.
 

Abwx

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Isn't it ironic that the Internet, the single greatest tool in history for widespread dissemination of information, has led to greater ignorance as people actively seek out information and groups that support their preconceived beliefs while ignoring all contradictory evidence, no matter how compelling or widely supported? We've established echo chambers of like-minded individuals so we can delude ourselves into accepting the reality we want to believe in and it's just making us all stupider. Apparently without someone curating the information to show us which pieces are actually real, we're content to be self-righteously ignorant. The Internet: endumbening human civilization for like... 45 years? That sounds about right.

There s people that simply cant watch their own faces on a mirror, so they are lying to themselves as a mean to be more pretty than what they actualy are, anyway well crafted post of yours.
 

kage69

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The citizenship status of Obama's mother is unquestioned. Thus, he is a natural born American citizen. Period.

Blows my mind that there are people still in denial about that.

Makes me remember the last surge of birth certificate fever being responded to with an OBL death certificate. Heh. In the feels!
 

Matt1970

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Congress has Constitutional authority over naturalization and immigration laws. The existing law is that a natural born citizen is someone who was a citizen at birth, and a person is a US citizen at birth if they have at least 1 American birth parent, regardless of the actual location of birth.

The citizenship status of Obama's mother is unquestioned. Thus, he is a natural born American citizen. Period.

I think Obama falls under the last one:

Under Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the following as citizens of the United States upon birth… or natural born citizens:
•Anyone born inside the United States. The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. (This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

I think the law is stupid. If the people want to elect someone, that is the will of the people. It shouldn't matter where they were born or who their parents are.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Oh, it's GarfieldtheCat....known idiot.

Feel free to refute any of my posts with facts.

You still mad I showed how clueless you are for thinking the Democrats have moved to the left? LOL

Protip: Don't want to be an idiot, research first, then post. It will prevent you from looking like an idiot, at least sometimes. There is this thing called the google....use it.
 

MongGrel

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Dubya wanted to be a war president, had a perfect excuse to do so, Uncle Cheney who couldn't get his daddy to do it first time because George Senior knew better, Dubya gets his way, and Cheney who was big in Haliburton said go for it kid, and profits.

Dubya still running around ignorant, USA looks like fools over the whole thing.
 
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Fern

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Congress has Constitutional authority over naturalization and immigration laws. The existing law is that a natural born citizen is someone who was a citizen at birth, and a person is a US citizen at birth if they have at least 1 American birth parent, regardless of the actual location of birth.

The citizenship status of Obama's mother is unquestioned. Thus, he is a natural born American citizen. Period.

No, he wouldn't have been granted automatic citizenship under the laws at the time of his birth.

At the time of Obama's birth the US parent was required to have lived in the USA as an adult (age 18 IIRC) for a period of some years (sorry, can't remember the number ATM). She gave birth at age 18 and did not meet the time period of adult US residency that was in the law back then.

Fern
 

Hayabusa Rider

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He was born in Hawaii. No sane person can dispute that. End of story.

I remember seeing the birth announcement in one of the local papers. The Birthers can be creative in their conspiracy theories, but I didn't think they believed that Obama supporters were able to travel back in time and add a false birth announcement.

My you Obama supporters really are sneaky ;)
 

fskimospy

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I remember seeing the birth announcement in one of the local papers. The Birthers can be creative in their conspiracy theories, but I didn't think they believed that Obama supporters were able to travel back in time and add a false birth announcement.

My you Obama supporters really are sneaky ;)

No really, there was a theory that the birth announcement was planted.

In all fairness they were alleging a conspiracy at the time of his birth though, haha.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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No really, there was a theory that the birth announcement was planted.

In all fairness they were alleging a conspiracy at the time of his birth though, haha.

Yeah I heard that one. I figure that time travel was no more outrageous a suggestion. I'd have been embarrassed to even consider the announcement to be anything other that it appears. But then we're not crazy.