42,000 Amps! That's an arc!

PhoenixEnigma

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From about 2:00 on, when you can see the light of the actual arcing.... O.O

That is a terrifying about of energy.
 

Rubycon

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In the beginning you can see the amps peaking over 600. That's at 33kV. :eek:
 

lxskllr

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What am I seeing there? It looked like they were melting metal? Why use electricity instead of coal?
 

Nox51

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Huh interesting, this is apparently in Auckland. Didn't quite realise that this would be around the city, never figured it to be that big in terms of industry. Silly thought that, learned something.
 

Red Squirrel

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This is what happens when Chuck Norris rubs his feet on the carpet and touches something that's grounded. Funny thing is, that's only 19mw. A fraction of what it takes to power a flux capacitor. :p

And I thought the 1500amps reading on our 48v rectifiers at work was a lot. An arc would still be a disaster though.
 

Modelworks

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A lot of places switched from arc furnaces to induction furnaces. Induction furnace have a lot of advantages over arc furnaces, efficiency being a big one, also cool in the concept that you can put your hand in an induction furnace and nothing happens, drop in steel though and lookout.
 

Matthiasa

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40MVA is only a little baby transformer. :(
Could be smaller than the desk your using right now. :p
 

gorcorps

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Why is electric the best choice for melting down steel?

There are two commonly utilized ways of making steel on the primary end. The first is known as an "integrated" mill, which is the more "classic" way and uses basic oxygen furnaces to generate a liquid steel base from pig iron to which they'll add the proper alloys to it later. The pig iron is generated in the blast furnace from iron ores using natural gas.

The second is the "mini" mill, which utilizes electric arc furnaces to melt scrap down as seen in the OP. This is a relatively new technology and there's perks and downsides to each. Perks of the mini mill includes a lower operating cost as long as scrap prices are fairly low. Scrap prices are quite dynamic though, so you're at the mercy of the market here. There have been times where scrap prices are so high some product would have made more money selling it as scrap then actually shipping to the customer. That doesn't happen often though, and has helped Nucor (a company consisting primarily of mini mills) to rise above some of the long tenured integrated mills in recent years.

Another drawback of mini mills has traditionally been lower quality for surface critical steels. This means it hasn't been able to make the surface quality required from auto makers and such for their body panels. But they're getting closer every day.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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A lot of places switched from arc furnaces to induction furnaces. Induction furnace have a lot of advantages over arc furnaces, efficiency being a big one, also cool in the concept that you can put your hand in an induction furnace and nothing happens, drop in steel though and lookout.
So Superman shouldn't stick his hand in?
 

Arcadio

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That's scary, but even scarier is Mariah Carey singing in the background.
 

zinfamous

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There are two commonly utilized ways of making steel on the primary end. The first is known as an "integrated" mill, which is the more "classic" way and uses basic oxygen furnaces to generate a liquid steel base from pig iron to which they'll add the proper alloys to it later. The pig iron is generated in the blast furnace from iron ores using natural gas.

The second is the "mini" mill, which utilizes electric arc furnaces to melt scrap down as seen in the OP. This is a relatively new technology and there's perks and downsides to each. Perks of the mini mill includes a lower operating cost as long as scrap prices are fairly low. Scrap prices are quite dynamic though, so you're at the mercy of the market here. There have been times where scrap prices are so high some product would have made more money selling it as scrap then actually shipping to the customer. That doesn't happen often though, and has helped Nucor (a company consisting primarily of mini mills) to rise above some of the long tenured integrated mills in recent years.

Another drawback of mini mills has traditionally been lower quality for surface critical steels. This means it hasn't been able to make the surface quality required from auto makers and such for their body panels. But they're getting closer every day.

read article recently, about the dude (can't remember his name), that is one of those business gurus who came up with the mini vs integrated mill model and is now used in all of his lectures.

Mini Mills were great for making the lowest margin stuff, like rebar, but sucked for quality steal, so when they begin to expand, the larger, well-established integrated mills were more than happy to shed the low margin sector and focus on the more profitable high-end sector of steal manufacturing. They kept on trucking, becoming more and more profitable, while the "technologically superior" arc mills started to stagnate, as they were essentially competing with each other, in the low-end market.
 

Imp

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Depending on cost to generate power at least $3k/hr. of furnace operation.

Depends on supply in the area... Last I heard, my province is "paying" people to use electricity at night because there's too much or something.

Dirty Jobs said steel mills usually run at night to lower electricity charges.
 

Leros

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Depends on supply in the area... Last I heard, my province is "paying" people to use electricity at night because there's too much or something.

Dirty Jobs said steel mills usually run at night to lower electricity charges.

I figured a steel mill would run around the clock. I can't imagine you want to let things cool down and have to heat them up again later.