41% of Republicans still doubt Obama was born in the US

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hal2kilo

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You guys have no problem just making stuff up, do you? You all are as bad as the birthers.

There's no requirement that a candidate qualify for a TS clearence to be able to run. But if you find that there is, please link it up.

If not, you are postulating a scenario whereby we could elect a President etc, who afterwards was discovered not to qualify for a TS clearence and therefor couldn't do his job? WTH? That's absurd.

Fern

Your conjecture is absurd. Even if the president doesn't technically have a TS. What they are going to keep things from him (other than the X-files that is)?
 

Fern

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Your conjecture is absurd. Even if the president doesn't technically have a TS. What they are going to keep things from him (other than the X-files that is)?

Are you serious?

He's the Commander-in-Chief. If you wanna claim he's not privy to classified military matters, go right ahead. Same for terrorism related matters.

Fern
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Are you serious?

He's the Commander-in-Chief. If you wanna claim he's not privy to classified military matters, go right ahead. Same for terrorism related matters.

Fern

Yes. I thought I was claiming exactly what you are saying.
 

Mr. Lennon

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The big question is why do you believe O'Bahmah was born in the USA? You must remember that his father and his grandfather were both muslim communists. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

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WHAMPOM

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I guess that makes 41% of republicans total idiots.

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I wonder if they also believe the earth is flat and that we never landed on the moon? There is ample evidnce for all three things, so I wonder.

25 percent can name their representative and the three branches of government.
 

Jhhnn

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Birthers are desperate to deny legitimacy to the Obama presidency, even if they have to fool themselves to accomplish that in their own heads. Denial is a defense mechanism, something Repubs are increasingly turning to, because there's not much else left for 'em to use to maintain the Faith...
 

Hacp

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Birthers are desperate to deny legitimacy to the Obama presidency, even if they have to fool themselves to accomplish that in their own heads. Denial is a defense mechanism, something Repubs are increasingly turning to, because there's not much else left for 'em to use to maintain the Faith...

The only one making it a big deal is Obama. If he shows this piece of paper, this subject will go away. He can give a call to the health minister and tell her to order him up a copy asap. Takes 30 seconds. Hell,if Obama won't show his certificate, I'll show mine and offer to replace him.
 

UberNeuman

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The only one making it a big deal is Obama. If he shows this piece of paper, this subject will go away. He can give a call to the health minister and tell her to order him up a copy asap. Takes 30 seconds. Hell,if Obama won't show his certificate, I'll show mine and offer to replace him.

Really? Care to scan a copy of your BC and offer it to us in P&N....

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UberNeuman

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and if you don't offer proof, I'll bump this thread every three days until we get it....
 

Poptech

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I really don't see why Obama has not released a copy of his original birth certificate, McCain did. It does not help his case that he released his COLB to the DailyKos and not a respectable news organization. This issue could be put to rest by having all the major news networks present to show his original vital records. Nothing short of this is going to change most people's minds and if you were really interested in doing so you would be asking for the same thing.

I also do not understand why he has not released his college transcripts, Bush did. Surely his college record is superior to Bush? I mean why else would you hide it?

This is an easy issue to resolve, just release the records.
 

fskimospy

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I cannot believe you morons are still talking about this. Say you met someone and wondered if they were a US citizen. So they show you their certificate of birth, the standard required by every federal agency. Then, the secretary of health, the highest officer in the land of the state they were born in, came to you and personally vouched for the validity of their birth certificate. Then, they showed you newspaper clippings from the day of his birth, decades before the deception would have any purpose, and then you STILL question it?

If you think, or even suspect that Obama was born outside of the US, you are stupid. Extremely, extremely stupid. Either you were born so mentally deficient as to be unable to process credible information as a rational adult or you are so blinded by insane and irrational partisan rage as to be unable to admit that a guy you disagree with politically is a US citizen.

I mean it, you're stupid. Not in a name calling way, but a basic human assessment of your reasoning capabilities way. Either grow up emotionally, or grow a brain intellectually. Either way, shame on you for making anyone write a post like this. You're supposed to be adults, so act like it.

Jesus.
 

fskimospy

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Your conjecture is absurd. Even if the president doesn't technically have a TS. What they are going to keep things from him (other than the X-files that is)?

The president is the determining authority (in a general sense) for the classification of information. Therefore, by definition the president has the highest possible level of classified information access. He is the guy that decides what is classified, and the means by which people decide if someone is worthy of holding a security clearance. How can you guys not spend 2 seconds on Google and know this?

The president can't possibly 'not qualify for a TS', because he's the guy that decides who qualifies for a TS. So no Fern, of course we don't worry about that. We would have to be indescribably stupid to worry about that.

Not only that, but the idea that we would somehow vet the incoming president by the outgoing president's idea of who is suitable for classified information runs contrary to the basic idea of a peaceful transfer of power. If the old president can disqualify the new one, we quickly see how this would lead to a world of shit.

This is all basic information about how our government works. What the hell is wrong with you people.
 

Poptech

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Say you met someone and wondered if they were a US citizen. So they show you their certificate of birth, the standard required by every federal agency. Then, the secretary of health, the highest officer in the land of the state they were born in, came to you and personally vouched for the validity of their birth certificate. Then, they showed you newspaper clippings from the day of his birth, decades before the deception would have any purpose, and then you STILL question it?
Say that someone was the President of the United States and there was massive conspiracies about where he was born and one of the simple requests was to see his original vital records that others have shown and you refuse?

If you think, or even suspect that Obama was born outside of the US, you are stupid. Extremely, extremely stupid. Either you were born so mentally deficient as to be unable to process credible information as a rational adult or you are so blinded by insane and irrational partisan rage as to be unable to admit that a guy you disagree with politically is a US citizen.
I think that if you were trying to convince people of something you would present all evidence available, especially something that everyone who is challenging you is requesting and is available.

Insulting people is not evidence. Like I said, this is an easy issue to resolve, just release the records.

BTW you still have no answer as to why he has not released his college transcripts, something even Bush did.
 

Zebo

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fskimospy

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Say that someone was the President of the United States and there was massive conspiracies about where he was born and one of the simple requests was to see his original vital records that others have shown and you refuse?


I think that if you were trying to convince people of something you would present all evidence available, especially something that everyone who is challenging you is requesting and is available.

Insulting people is not evidence. Like I said, this is an easy issue to resolve, just release the records.

BTW you still have no answer as to why he has not released his college transcripts, something even Bush did.

That's what you don't get. He's not trying to convince anyone, because he doesn't have to. He has already met the standard required, in fact he has exceeded it by having it certified by the highest official in the entire country who would be responsible for that information.

If you want to believe in a grand conspiracy that's fine. Him releasing any birth certificate wouldn't do anything to alleviate that either though, because the conspiracy tards would just say that the new certificate was part of the conspiracy. (that's the beauty of a good conspiracy theory, all evidence to the contrary is just part of the conspiracy) When his eligibility was personally certified by the highest official in the entire country designated to determine it, you morons still won't believe it.

It's not about evidence, because if it was you would have given up a long time ago. You've been given the evidence, but you're too invested in your birther insanity to accept it. It's about the fact that someone you don't like is the president and you will do anything possible to undermine the legitimacy of a guy who won the election fair and square.

You lost, take it like a man. Stop grasping at straws like a crazy person and try to beat him in 2012.
 

Poptech

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That's what you don't get. He's not trying to convince anyone, because he doesn't have to.
Actually I would say the President of the United States should have to.

If you want to believe in a grand conspiracy that's fine. Him releasing any birth certificate wouldn't do anything to alleviate that either though, because the conspiracy tards would just say that the new certificate was part of the conspiracy. (that's the beauty of a good conspiracy theory, all evidence to the contrary is just part of the conspiracy)
I don't but what I am asking for is reasonable, especially when others have done the same. You are right that conspiracy theorists will never be satisfied but the far majority who have doubts because the information is being withheld will come around.

It's not about evidence, because if it was you would have given up a long time ago. You've been given the evidence, but you're too invested in your birther insanity to accept it. It's about the fact that someone you don't like is the president and you will do anything possible to undermine the legitimacy of a guy who won the election fair and square.

You lost, take it like a man. Stop grasping at straws like a crazy person and try to beat him in 2012.
To me it is only about evidence. I have nothing invested in this and believe the governor vouching for the authenticity of the document is good evidence but at this point not enough to put this to rest. I have nothing personal against the president but I certainly do not support his policies. I believe he won the election but how much organizations like Acorn helped with that victory I cannot say. I do know that the independents who voted for him in 2008 will not be voting for his party this November nor in 2012. I am also well aware that I lost, as I voted for the Libertarian party. My reasons are fairly academic.
 

IceBergSLiM

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The only one grasping at straws is you.

You made a claim you can't back up.

If we do have system to verify candidates qualifications why would it be a secret? If it isn't a secret you should be able to prove it.

I'm saying I've spent too much time already trying to confirm we have a system, I find zip other than a FEC form.

And no, none of those agencies you mention have any responsibility for vetting US candidates. Go to their websites and look at their mission/responsibilities. And I'm saying the way it stands now, if any of them dared try it they'd be breaking the law and violating the candidates' civil rights. Theri is no law on the books giving them that authority. Unless you're Obama himself, you can't get those documents without a court order, and no court has yet issued such an order/subpoena.

This is not about Obama, he's just brought this to the fore. This is about our lack of a system. It's up to you to prove your claim. Feeble reasoning doesn't cut it either.

Fern

lol. you are really convinced about this.

I'm sorry to break it to you but there are extensive files on all high level politicians and it has been that way since at least the commie scare of 50/60/70's . Why is this necessary? Well its very simple, to prevent a silent over throw of the government. How do I mean? Well simply put candidates are rigorously examined for weaknesses that can be exploited by foreign governments or enemies of the state to exert covert control over them. In the case of Obama, the implication of him not being a legitimate president would mean that anyone that was able to obtain verifiable proof(by espionage or otherwise) that he wasn't a U.S. Citizen would be able to exploit the president for their bidding. In conclusion, to believe that obama wasn't born in the U.S. you would have to concede that he is already under the control and exploit of an enemy of the state. This makes for a good movie plot I agree but the establishment would certainly not tolerate that kind of thing.
 
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