41 Murders In One Weekend Just Across The Border

[Socio]

Dozens dead in 4-day Mexico border killing spree

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (Reuters) - Suspected drug hitmen killed six people in Ciudad Juarez in northern Mexico on Tuesday, the latest in a killing spree that has left 41 people dead in the city since the start of the weekend, police said.

Tuesday's murders take the death toll to over 500 people in Ciudad Juarez since the start of the year, making it the most deadly city in Mexico's drug war, despite a large deployment of well-armed troops and federal police.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon, whose military-led crackdown on drug cartels has only increased bloodshed, said on Tuesday the surge in killings in places like Ciudad Juarez was due to local gangs battling over ever smaller smuggling turf.

Not only is there is huge drug war raging, where Mexican military and Mexican police are fighting drug cartels there have also been a lot Mexican Military and Mexican police killing each other as well. This is because one or the other are on drug cartel payrolls, or on opposing cartel payrolls, it is just crazy.

The violence has not spilled over to the US side yet but we are paying a monetary price; Since El Paso has the only Hospital with a trauma center within 300 miles they keep bringing over Mexican gun shot victims in to the US to that hospital for treatment on the US taxpayers tab.

Some of these wounded are high ranking Mexican officials whom are on hit lists and require round the clock police protection. Not only does this pull American law officers off the street to protect these Mexican officials the US taxpayer is paying the bill for it.

Like I said the violence has not spilled over yet but could soon;

Cartel hit list targets Americans in N.M., Texas

EL PASO, Texas ? U.S. law enforcement officials have received an apparent drug cartel hit list that names 15 to 20 people living in New Mexico and Texas, officials said Thursday.

At least one police officer from southern New Mexico is named in the threat, said Luna County Sheriff's Capt. Arturo Baeza.

The list, thought to be a threat from one of Mexico's powerful and warring drug cartels, was provided to local authorities by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials June 12, Baeza said.

"We have been concerned for quite some time that this thing will spill over here," Baeza said of a bloody fight for control among rival drug cartels in Ciudad Juarez, a sprawling city across the Rio Grande from El Paso, and Palomas, a small village across the border from Columbus, N.M.

 

[lupi]

At least it seems the government down there is actively fighting them.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: lupi
At least it seems the government down there is actively fighting them.

Well I would say it is more like a dog chasing its tail.

 

[Drift3r]

It'll end the moment this country stops consuming 90% of the worlds illegal drugs. Notice how they were all drug related. Seeing as how the drug trade is a 350+ billion dollar trade a year I can see why these guys would start killing each other to control it.

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United States - world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
It'll end the moment this country stops consuming 90% of the worlds illegal drugs. Notice how they were all drug related. Seeing as how the drug trade is a trillion dollar trade I can see why these guys would start killing each other to control it.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library/pu...tbook/fields/2086.html"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2086.html">https://www.cia.gov/libr.........elds/2086.html</a></a>

United States - world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center.

Or the moment our Government stops screwing around and actually seals the border giving them no turf to fight over, which would also put a big fat dent in marijuana and cocaine consumption here.

 

[brencat]

Reason #1105 why we should seal the borders...and perhaps deploy terminators as well.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Drift3r
It'll end the moment this country stops consuming 90% of the worlds illegal drugs. Notice how they were all drug related. Seeing as how the drug trade is a trillion dollar trade I can see why these guys would start killing each other to control it.

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United States - world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center.

Or the moment our Government stops screwing around and actually seals the border giving them no turf left to fight over, which would also put a big fat dent in marijuana and cocaine consumption here.

If there is a demand there will be someone willing to meet it. There will be people willing to make profit from such a demand and it will get through. A 350+ billion dollars a year illegal drug trade and billions of dollars from industries that support our "war on drugs" will ensure that a lot of folks turn a blind eye and things are kept the same. Since we refuse to treat the addiction and would rather turn this into another industry for companies to off load military hardware and equipment you won't be seeing a damn thing change. The continued illegality of drugs and our refusal to spend any meaningful amount on controlling our addiction as a nation to drugs is fueling the problem. If that offends you oh well.

 

[bamacre]

Whoever says marijuana doesn't kill anyone should take another look at the drug war.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Whoever says marijuana doesn't kill anyone should take another look at the drug war.

The fact that marijuana is illegal has more to do with getting people killed. Remember plants don't kill people...people kill people.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: bamacre
Whoever says marijuana doesn't kill anyone should take another look at the drug war.

The fact that marijuana is illegal has more to do with getting people killed. Remember plants don't kill people...people kill people.

Yeah, sorry, that is what I meant. Marijuana is killing more people by being an illegal product.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: brencat
Reason #1105 why we should seal the borders...and perhaps deploy terminators as well.

No shit. The Mexican government is so corrupt, they'll never stop the drug trafficking...they all make way too much money from it.
Let's not forget that heavily-armed "troops" have crossed the US border from Mexico and shot it out with the Border Patrol.
The drug cartels will stop at nothing to move their product. Time to totally shut down our southern border and make it much more difficult and costly for them to smuggle drugs into the country. (and stop illegal immigration as a nice side benefit!)

 

[seemingly random]

Illegal immigration will not stop until some owner/employers of billion dollar companies are put in prison. And they're all political contributors...

 

[Siddhartha]

How many people were killed in the US, in a high crime\murder region, over a four day period?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people were killed in the US, in a high crime\murder region, over a four day period?

Why don't you check for us, I don't think I ever remember even NY going 41 in one weekend recently.

 

[Socio]

Looks like it is starting to spill over;

6 Mexicans dressed as cops kill Phoenix man

Six men in police tactical clothing are suspected of shooting a man to death, firing more than 100 rounds into his Phoenix home in what some are calling a Mexican drug cartel hit.

Drug-related violence has been escalating and reportedly is shifting from Mexico to U.S. border states since Mexican President Felipe de Jesus Calderon Hinojosa ordered troops to fight the cartels.

 

[Arkaign]

Hey Socio, it spilled over years ago here in DFW. Remember this?

https://www.policeone.com/SWAT/articles/93366/

From what I've heard, the people involved were ex-Zetas. What are Zetas? The story is almost too unbelievable to imagine.

Zetas were initially part of a small special forces detail trained by the US to combat the drug trade along the Texas-Mexican border. They were given technical and technical training galore, including the use of wiretapping, cellular decryption of targets, the usage of RPGs, and sniper tactics with .50 cal Barretts, the same as Marine Recon is trained with.

The Zetas went Rogue, and now work for the Gulf Cartel, dealing incredibly heavy damage. They are like the worst possible type of mercenaries, and even the Mexican army and federal authorities fear them, let alone the poor local law enforcement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
How many people were killed in the US, in a high crime\murder region, over a four day period?

We are talking about one piss ant small town, not an entire country.

In the first 7 months of 2007, IIRC(I saw a DHS powerpoint on Mexican Drug violence), over 800 people were confirmed killed in border areas, with even more missing. Around 175 or so were Americans.

Also, the drug violence has spread into Texas, Arizona, and Calif, with around ~80 suspected murders/hits on US soil by competing Mexican Drug cartels during that same time span.


And apparently its gotten worse.

Through the first four months of 2008, over 900 have been killed.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
It'll end the moment this country stops consuming 90% of the worlds illegal drugs. Notice how they were all drug related. Seeing as how the drug trade is a 350+ billion dollar trade a year I can see why these guys would start killing each other to control it.

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United States - world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center.

Most of the deaths ARE NOT drug related, other than the fact that its drug cartels responsible for the killings. There has been a power vacuum for a couple years now, and all the major cartels are trying to take eachother out, take control of territory, etc. Even if coke was legal, these cartels would still exist because they CONTROL the production of the substance and the routes they travel on to the US.

Most of the murders vicitims over the long haul have not been related to drugs. Nor are those who have been kiddnapped. There is a REASON why the State Department has travel advisorys on Mexico, advising americans to NOT go to Mexico. A good majority of it is random violence to incite fear into the populace.

Most of the border violence and murders/hits arent covered in the media. Its been extremely bad for the past 3 or so years.

 

[NeoV]

Chicago can almost play this round, but they'll have to go all-in with a weekend of 36 people being shot...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/...hootings.ap/index.html

hardly got a bit of attention here

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Hey Socio, it spilled over years ago here in DFW. Remember this?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.policeone.com/SWAT/articles/93366/"><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https://www.policeone.com/SWAT/articles/93366/">https://www.policeone.com/SWAT/articles/93366/</a></a>

From what I've heard, the people involved were ex-Zetas. What are Zetas? The story is almost too unbelievable to imagine.

Zetas were initially part of a small special forces detail trained by the US to combat the drug trade along the Texas-Mexican border. They were given technical and technical training galore, including the use of wiretapping, cellular decryption of targets, the usage of RPGs, and sniper tactics with .50 cal Barretts, the same as Marine Recon is trained with.

The Zetas went Rogue, and now work for the Gulf Cartel, dealing incredibly heavy damage. They are like the worst possible type of mercenaries, and even the Mexican army and federal authorities fear them, let alone the poor local law enforcement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas

There is also the Barrio Azteca gang operating on both sides of the border whom work with the Zetas and they are pretty ruthless themselves;

El Paso's Barrio Azteca Gang One Of The Most Dangerous In Nation

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Drift3r
It'll end the moment this country stops consuming 90% of the worlds illegal drugs. Notice how they were all drug related. Seeing as how the drug trade is a trillion dollar trade I can see why these guys would start killing each other to control it.

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United States - world's largest consumer of cocaine, shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean; consumer of ecstasy and of Mexican heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center.

Or the moment our Government stops screwing around and actually seals the border giving them no turf left to fight over, which would also put a big fat dent in marijuana and cocaine consumption here.

If there is a demand there will be someone willing to meet it. There will be people willing to make profit from such a demand and it will get through. A 350+ billion dollars a year illegal drug trade and billions of dollars from industries that support our "war on drugs" will ensure that a lot of folks turn a blind eye and things are kept the same. Since we refuse to treat the addiction and would rather turn this into another industry for companies to off load military hardware and equipment you won't be seeing a damn thing change. The continued illegality of drugs and our refusal to spend any meaningful amount on controlling our addiction as a nation to drugs is fueling the problem. If that offends you oh well.

FYI;

It is not just the drug trade fueling this;

Gangs traffic some 500,000 foreigners a year across Mexico

An estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants from South America, the Caribbean and Central America pay Mexican gangs to help them transit Mexico and cross into the United States every year, Mexico's National Human Rights Commission said Wednesday.

This illegal trade brings 'extraordinary earnings' since each person pays 4,000 to 15,000 dollars. In total, this would mean some 2 to 7.5 billion dollars a year, the commission said.

Every year, an estimated 1.7 million illegal immigrants enter the United States, most of them across the Mexico border.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Socio
FYI;

It is not just the drug trade fueling this;

Gangs traffic some 500,000 foreigners a year across Mexico

An estimated 500,000 illegal immigrants from South America, the Caribbean and Central America pay Mexican gangs to help them transit Mexico and cross into the United States every year, Mexico's National Human Rights Commission said Wednesday.

This illegal trade brings 'extraordinary earnings' since each person pays 4,000 to 15,000 dollars. In total, this would mean some 2 to 7.5 billion dollars a year, the commission said.

Every year, an estimated 1.7 million illegal immigrants enter the United States, most of them across the Mexico border.

Yet there are STILL people who think securing our borders is a bad idea.:roll:

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: brencat
Reason #1105 why we should seal the borders...and perhaps deploy terminators as well.

..won't stop till Americn druggies stop buying dope. those guys are killing each other to assure American druggies their recreational dope will get to market.

 

[tweaker2]

There are those US politicians that think protecting their business interests, partners and friends and their political grip on power is much more important than protecting our borders.

Seeing as if nothing's being done but lip service by the pols on this matter, they must ALL be complicit in this in one way or another.

Just for the heck of it, write your Reps and Senate members demanding an explanation as to why our borders remain porous, when we have the resources and capabilities to manage them with the seriousness and effectiveness that our security concerns truly deserve. For those who already have please share the responses you've received. I need a good laugh.

We have an ongoing "War on Terror" that's costing us billions each month, yet we have this porous border situation to mock and marginalize it's stated goals and intentions. Apparently, it hasn't anything to do with keeping our nation safe and secure. what a scam. what a joke. Thank you Mr. BUsh, Thank you Mr. Cheney, you scheming lying crooks. pppfffft.