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igor_kavinski

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How long do you have to own a 4080 before it starts to save you money. Because math.
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Let's take 3090 Ti vs. 4080.

3090 Ti would consume 40% more electricity while providing 14% less performance.

The power bill may not matter for those who play only two or three hours a day. But anyone spending most of their free time gaming will see the value in getting the 4080.
 
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Well, I thought it was interesting because Best Buy kept showing that nothing was in stock, yet I was provided an offer to buy something. I looked into the offer, and yes... going to Best Buy without the link showed absolutely no 4080 stock, but with the link, I was able to buy any 4080 that I wanted. In fact, clicking the filter option to pick up that day in my local store showed that I could get two models (FE and a Gigabyte one) the same day.
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Best buy and the late circuit city where known for pulling similar tricks before the dawn of the smartphone including a fake intranet page at the store if you wanted to price match. It sounds like there's a token handoff in your email from nvidia to click on that hands off a unique identifier or token to best buy to allow you to buy something that was otherwise showing as sold out.
 
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They would have sold the 4080's if it was released before the 4090, so in reality it's the 4090 that truely killed the 4080's sales. Like others said no value buyers > $1000, so nearly all the 4080's potential buyers not surprisingly got a 4090 instead. Imo there is room for 1 card above $1000.
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I doubt it. I just checked Newegg's RTX 4080 inventory and they are completely out of stock so it is definitely selling. Amazon still have stock but it's dwindling rapidly.

The best place to get an RTX 480 would be a local brick and mortar store rather than any of the large online e-tailers that hardware enthusiasts and gamers frequent.

But anyone thinking or hoping the RTX 4080 isn't going to sell well is in for a rude awakening. The RTX 4080 is a solid high end card with exceptional performance per watt and great overall performance and feature set. It's more suited to 2K than 4K though.

Price and value are subject to market forces, and currently, they are not in favor of the consumer. Lack of strong competition, high demand and product scarcity are going to drive up prices. When RDNA3 becomes available and if it performs well enough, Nvidia may have to lower the prices.
 
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amenx said:
Not really. For long time have been solely Nvidia (mostly xx80 cards). The 4090 went up 10% which is OK by me, but not the ridiculous 42% rise on the 4080. Jensens presumptive "they will buy it with a smile on their faces" is too much of an insult to me.
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Not really what? You literally stated what I said.
 
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Carfax83 said:
I doubt it. I just checked Newegg's RTX 4080 inventory and they are completely out of stock so it is definitely selling. Amazon still have stock but it's dwindling rapidly.
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That newegg in the USA is sold out now, doesn't mean they aren't selling much slower than past releases, especially around the world. Go watch HWUB video I linked on previous page. He acknowledged they were selling a bit better in the USA(but still slow), but they really weren't moving in the rest of the world.


But anyone thinking or hoping the RTX 4080 isn't going to sell well is in for a rude awakening. The RTX 4080 is a solid high end card with exceptional performance per watt and great overall performance and feature set. It's more suited to 2K than 4K though.
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But it has poor perf/$. The normal situation is that the top card like the 4090 would have the worse perf/$, and the next step down would have much better perf/$, but that isn't the case here. At best the 4080 only ties the 4090 for perf/$ and in may even be worse, which is a sign it's a ripoff.
 
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Carfax83 said:
The thing though is that these companies are in it to make money so you can't really blame them for raising prices when they are the only game in town and there's such a high demand for their products that people are STILL willing to pay exorbitant fees. That's just supply and demand.
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I suspect NVIDIA and scalpers are partially to blame for this. Scalpers hoping to make some quick money on Christmas sales probably scooped up the 4090. NVIDIA probably did not produce enough 4090 chips to meet demand. They misjudged the number of people that are willing to pay a premium. They likely created far more 4080s because they figured that is where the market would be. People claim they made the 4080 in order to upsell the 4090, but I don't think so.

One of the issues driving inflation right now is that it is insanely easy to get a decent paying job if you have any experience in a given field. Even in my particular field, salaries have risen by at least 80% (including my own), while remote work has reduced the cost (particularly in the US) of commuting.

The issue is that these things aren't going to hold. Inflation increases are causing layoffs, and while we haven't yet reached a tipping point (there are still more jobs available than workers), we will eventually. After that, employers will have more power, salaries will stagnate or even drop, and remote work options will shrink. (I am dumping all my money into savings for that reason :D)

After that, sales of top end cards won't be so rosy, and we may even see cheaper pricing as a result.
 
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One theory for NE selling out is scalpers buying them up and putting them on ebay etc.. $1200 up to $1800 right now over there with buy it now prices starting around $1500.
 
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Hitman928 said:
Just a reminder that the GTX 580 was the full size Fermi die. All of the subsequent x80 GPUs after the 580 were cut down dies to some degree.
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Not all. Only half were to my recollection.

580: GF110 (full)
680: GK104 (full)
780: GK110 (really cut down)
980: GM104 (full)
1080: GP104 (full)
2080: TU104 (cut down)
3080: GA102 (really cut down)
 
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That newegg in the USA is sold out now, doesn't mean they aren't selling much slower than past releases, especially around the world. Go watch HWUB video I linked on previous page. He acknowledged they were selling a bit better in the USA(but still slow), but they really weren't moving in the rest of the world.
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The rest of the World has to deal with import taxes and VAT, so that definitely inflates the price significantly and makes it much more difficult to justify buying; especially with the RTX 4090 being an option. I think the average VAT for the E.U is around 20%, which must hurt a lot.

But it has poor perf/$. The normal situation is that the top card like the 4090 would have the worse perf/$, and the next step down would have much better perf/$, but that isn't the case here. At best the 4080 only ties the 4090 for perf/$ and in may even be worse, which is a sign it's a ripoff.
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I don't disagree with you here at all. But my mind is wondering whether this is intentional by Nvidia due to greed, or the result of legitimate market forces at play. As I said earlier, GPUs are much more expensive to make than ever, and also much more in demand than ever. I paid $2300 (including taxes) for my RTX 4090, which is much more than what you can get the RTX 4080 for at a brick and mortar retailer in the U.S.
 
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eek2121 said:
I suspect NVIDIA and scalpers are partially to blame for this. Scalpers hoping to make some quick money on Christmas sales probably scooped up the 4090. NVIDIA probably did not produce enough 4090 chips to meet demand. They misjudged the number of people that are willing to pay a premium. They likely created far more 4080s because they figured that is where the market would be. People claim they made the 4080 in order to upsell the 4090, but I don't think so.
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From what I understand, the inventory for the RTX 4090 was much higher than Ampere at launch, but the demand was just ruthless. Up until the day I bought my RTX 4090 from an Amazon sub retailer, Newegg and every other major e-tailer along with every brick and mortar retailer were completely out of stock with no date for restocking.

That's why I just bit the bullet and paid well above MSRP to get mine. Couldn't be bothered to wait anymore, especially after the RDNA 3 presentation.

After that, sales of top end cards won't be so rosy, and we may even see cheaper pricing as a result.
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Perhaps. But many of us thought that Ampere prices would also crater but they've been surprisingly firm. I honestly think that the days of relatively inexpensive GPUs may be over, mostly due to how expensive they've become to manufacturer and the massive increase in PC gaming over the years.

I think the PS4 and Xbox One era disillusioned a lot of console gamers and made them realize just how subpar consoles are to gaming PCs.
 
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Stuka87 said:
This screen was especially telling of nVidia's greed.
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Ada is the first radical departure for Nvidia buyers in that price range to not find something suitable vs the competition. And is exactly is why many of them may make the break with Nv and go AMD this time around.

Jensen so dumb if he thought this will move 30 series cards. Only radical price cuts (3080 @ $500) can do that.
 
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Carfax83 said:
The rest of the World has to deal with import taxes and VAT, so that definitely inflates the price significantly and makes it much more difficult to justify buying; especially with the RTX 4090 being an option. I think the average VAT for the E.U is around 20%, which must hurt a lot.
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It does hurt a lot, but a key factor is that the euro dropped in value compared to the dollar. The euro used to be about 20% stronger, so about the VAT. So it seemed like you paid the same price as the US, because the exchange rate compensated for the VAT. That is no longer the case.

And energy prices have always been higher in the EU, in no small part due to heavy taxation, which means that the rising energy costs hurts Europeans more than Americans as well.
 
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Aapje said:
It does hurt a lot, but a key factor is that the euro dropped in value compared to the dollar. The euro used to be about 20% stronger, so about the VAT. So it seemed like you paid the same price as the US, because the exchange rate compensated for the VAT. That is no longer the case.

And energy prices have always been higher in the EU, in no small part due to heavy taxation, which means that the rising energy costs hurts Europeans more than Americans as well.
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You do have a point, but the thing is, that this does not apply to everything, for some....very strange reason.

For example, this is the newegg ryzen 5600 price at 134 dollars

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com www.newegg.com

And this is the price of the ryzen 5600 in mothereffin Greece of all places, at 140 euros (scroll down to the first shop if you will).

Not that much of a difference, even without the 20% better rates of the dollar and even with 24% VAT in Greece.


It seems to me, they (merchants in Europe), remember the currency rates and the VAT whenever they fancy.

The RTX 4080 starts at 1650 euros, for example.
 
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Aapje said:
It does hurt a lot, but a key factor is that the euro dropped in value compared to the dollar. The euro used to be about 20% stronger, so about the VAT. So it seemed like you paid the same price as the US, because the exchange rate compensated for the VAT. That is no longer the case.
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I should hope that I paid the same price as what Americans pay, as I'm American and I live in America :D

But my point was that it was demand that was driving the inflated price here in the U.S. The only place you could find RTX 4090s were on eBay and on Amazon (from resellers). All the stock was completely wiped out.

In the end I considered myself fortunate, because the Ampere prices at their height were much worse due to the Crypto nonsense and the chip shortage. I remember looking at RTX 3090 Tis and many were selling for $2500 and up......before taxes.

If GPU mining was still a thing then its conceivable that the RTX 4090 would be close to $3000.

And energy prices have always been higher in the EU, in no small part due to heavy taxation, which means that the rising energy costs hurts Europeans more than Americans as well.
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I agree.
 
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Carfax83 said:
I doubt it. I just checked Newegg's RTX 4080 inventory and they are completely out of stock so it is definitely selling. Amazon still have stock but it's dwindling rapidly.

The best place to get an RTX 480 would be a local brick and mortar store rather than any of the large online e-tailers that hardware enthusiasts and gamers frequent.

But anyone thinking or hoping the RTX 4080 isn't going to sell well is in for a rude awakening. The RTX 4080 is a solid high end card with exceptional performance per watt and great overall performance and feature set. It's more suited to 2K than 4K though.

Price and value are subject to market forces, and currently, they are not in favor of the consumer. Lack of strong competition, high demand and product scarcity are going to drive up prices. When RDNA3 becomes available and if it performs well enough, Nvidia may have to lower the prices.
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If 4080 had 14k cores instead of slightly under 10k and say 20GB ram instead of 16, it would surely sell better.
People are just not stupid, they can run numbers and see that 4080 is worse deal than either 4090 or 3000 series cards. Nobody is crazy about product offering 2/3 performance (based on the specs) for 3/4 of price.
 
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