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Dribble

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My guess that Nvidia´s lesson here wont be to price next x80 card lower than 1200, but price the x90 even higher, maybe straight to 2000, to make bigger gulf between the 2, to make 80 card look like a better deal.
They would have sold the 4080's if it was released before the 4090, so in reality it's the 4090 that truely killed the 4080's sales. Like others said no value buyers > $1000, so nearly all the 4080's potential buyers not surprisingly got a 4090 instead. Imo there is room for 1 card above $1000.
 

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They would have sold the 4080's if it was released before the 4090, so in reality it's the 4090 that truely killed the 4080's sales. Like others said no value buyers > $1000, so nearly all the 4080's potential buyers not surprisingly got a 4090 instead. Imo there is room for 1 card above $1000.

NV got the strategy wrong.

Don't bother with a 4090 at all. Make the AD102 part a Titan with the Titan drivers and price it at $2,500. If NV were feeling generous they could give it 48GB of ram but that would depend on how it impacts Quadro sales so maybe they won't.

Then the 4080 at $1,200 would offer great relative value. The people who still want the absolute best would choose Titan but even those willing to spend $2k might baulk at spending 100% more for just 33% more performance.

This would also leave plenty of room for a $1,600 4080Ti to launch with Titan performance at some point next year.
 
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Heartbreaker

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No Surprise, but it looks like 4080 is selling poorly, while the 4090 keeps selling out. This is pretty much expected because once you are over a $1000 for a GPU you probably aren't looking at a value buyer, and for them a couple hundred more to have the "best" GPU probably makes more sense than saving 20% and settling for second best.

While I am a value buyer (never paid more than $300 for a GPU), if I suddenly found myself with a bunch of excess cash to the point that I was thinking of $1000+ GPU, I'd just go straight to the top.


HWUB is confirming this. $1200, is a hard sell, for a card that isn't the best on the market. It may be one of NVidia's worse launches(for low sales) in a LONG time.
 
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4080 isn't selling well because 3090/3090Ti/6900XT/6950XT users are not doing their math. If they factor in the electricity cost they would save by upgrading to the 4080, they would see that the 4080 is excellent value for THEM.

If I was the chief of electricity crimes division of Interpol, I would seize ALL 4090/3090/6900/6950 cards and recycle them for parts.

Feel free to hate me for my unpopular opinion :)
 
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4080 isn't selling well because 3090/3090Ti/6900XT/6950XT users are not doing their math. If they factor in the electricity cost they would save by upgrading to the 4080, they would see that the 4080 is excellent value for THEM.

If I was the chief of electricity crimes division of Interpol, I would seize ALL 4090/3090/6900/6950 cards and recycle them for parts.

Feel free to hate me for my unpopular opinion :)

RTX 4080: ~304W
RX 6900: ~305W
RX 6950: ~391W
RTX 4090: ~411W
(values taken from TPU)

Not sure the 6900 should be included in that ban. Surely that extra 1W is within testing tolerances.
 
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RTX 4080: ~304W
RX 6900: ~305W
RX 6950: ~391W
RTX 4090: ~411W
(values taken from TPU)

Not sure the 6900 should be included in that ban. Surely that extra 1W is within testing tolerances.
I was thinking more of the maximum/raytracing power graphs. Plus, the 4080 makes transient spikes almost a non-issue.

4080 is a lovely card. Unfortunately, still too big for me.
 

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If you don't care about what things cost and just want the fastest thing in the world then that narrows it down to single card...

While I could easily buy RTX 4090, my biggest issue with it (price aside) is the power consumption. Personally I think that 250 W max should be plenty and ideally even lower. RTX 4080 is almost acceptable but it's not optimal (same thing for 7900 XT/XTX). It also bothers me quite a bit that NVIDIA didn't include DP2.0/2.1 ports when even Intel Arc cards have it.

But since I do care about value, I just can't justify the price especially for RTX 4080. It's insane and nobody should be buying. It gives wrong signal.

I think you could buy it, underclock/volt it to 250W, and have the most performance at 250W of any solution on the market.

Edit: Also the most efficiency at 250W of any solution on the market.
 
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Aikouka

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to my knowledge those are reserved for you when you activate the offer. these were up for anyone to buy. i have not signed up yet because id like to time it to the 4090s coming back in stock. I don't plan on using it but instead opting for a 7900xt or xtx instead. The 4090 will be used in something else, resold or gifted.I expect 4090s to come back into stock around march when the export ban takes effect on march 1 2023, nvidia is allowed to continue shipping of orders up until that point until september 1 2023. there was a rumor a while back that 4090 production was suspended to focus on wafers for china exports before that march 1st date. there's still 4090 dies in the wild that have yet to be implemented on cards. nvidia is controlling the flow of these cards to offload their 30 series cards onto consumers who will no doubt buy up the scraps left. nvidia gets to sit on and control what aibs can make and sell, all while taking orders and then having months to fullfill them.

Well, I thought it was interesting because Best Buy kept showing that nothing was in stock, yet I was provided an offer to buy something. I looked into the offer, and yes... going to Best Buy without the link showed absolutely no 4080 stock, but with the link, I was able to buy any 4080 that I wanted. In fact, clicking the filter option to pick up that day in my local store showed that I could get two models (FE and a Gigabyte one) the same day.
 

amenx

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The pricing of the the 4080 was an obvious play to move existing 30 series stock.
Not sure why that would be the case anymore with 3 weeks left to the release of 7900 cards. And which are not far off in price than the existing 30 series. The 4080 has not even remotely led me to consider a 30 series card. Am very likely going for a 7900, even if the 4080 comes down to $8-999.
 
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Not sure why that would be the case anymore with 3 weeks left to the release of 7900 cards. And which are not far off in price than the existing 30 series. The 4080 has not even remotely led me to consider a 30 series card. Am very likely going for a 7900, even if the 4080 comes down to $8-999.
You are one of the 30% who would at least entertain buying Radeon. Jensen focuses on the 70%.
 

amenx

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You are one of the 30% who would at least entertain buying Radeon. Jensen focuses on the 70%.
Not really. For long time have been solely Nvidia (mostly xx80 cards). The 4090 went up 10% which is OK by me, but not the ridiculous 42% rise on the 4080. Jensens presumptive "they will buy it with a smile on their faces" is too much of an insult to me.
 

AnandThenMan

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4080 isn't selling well because 3090/3090Ti/6900XT/6950XT users are not doing their math. If they factor in the electricity cost they would save by upgrading to the 4080, they would see that the 4080 is excellent value for THEM.

If I was the chief of electricity crimes division of Interpol, I would seize ALL 4090/3090/6900/6950 cards and recycle them for parts.

Feel free to hate me for my unpopular opinion :)
How long do you have to own a 4080 before it starts to save you money. Because math.
 
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How long do you have to own a 4080 before it starts to save you money. Because math.
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Let's take 3090 Ti vs. 4080.

3090 Ti would consume 40% more electricity while providing 14% less performance.

The power bill may not matter for those who play only two or three hours a day. But anyone spending most of their free time gaming will see the value in getting the 4080.
 

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Well, I thought it was interesting because Best Buy kept showing that nothing was in stock, yet I was provided an offer to buy something. I looked into the offer, and yes... going to Best Buy without the link showed absolutely no 4080 stock, but with the link, I was able to buy any 4080 that I wanted. In fact, clicking the filter option to pick up that day in my local store showed that I could get two models (FE and a Gigabyte one) the same day.
Best buy and the late circuit city where known for pulling similar tricks before the dawn of the smartphone including a fake intranet page at the store if you wanted to price match. It sounds like there's a token handoff in your email from nvidia to click on that hands off a unique identifier or token to best buy to allow you to buy something that was otherwise showing as sold out.
 

Carfax83

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They would have sold the 4080's if it was released before the 4090, so in reality it's the 4090 that truely killed the 4080's sales. Like others said no value buyers > $1000, so nearly all the 4080's potential buyers not surprisingly got a 4090 instead. Imo there is room for 1 card above $1000.

I doubt it. I just checked Newegg's RTX 4080 inventory and they are completely out of stock so it is definitely selling. Amazon still have stock but it's dwindling rapidly.

The best place to get an RTX 480 would be a local brick and mortar store rather than any of the large online e-tailers that hardware enthusiasts and gamers frequent.

But anyone thinking or hoping the RTX 4080 isn't going to sell well is in for a rude awakening. The RTX 4080 is a solid high end card with exceptional performance per watt and great overall performance and feature set. It's more suited to 2K than 4K though.

Price and value are subject to market forces, and currently, they are not in favor of the consumer. Lack of strong competition, high demand and product scarcity are going to drive up prices. When RDNA3 becomes available and if it performs well enough, Nvidia may have to lower the prices.
 
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scineram

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Not really. For long time have been solely Nvidia (mostly xx80 cards). The 4090 went up 10% which is OK by me, but not the ridiculous 42% rise on the 4080. Jensens presumptive "they will buy it with a smile on their faces" is too much of an insult to me.
Not really what? You literally stated what I said.
 

Heartbreaker

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I doubt it. I just checked Newegg's RTX 4080 inventory and they are completely out of stock so it is definitely selling. Amazon still have stock but it's dwindling rapidly.

That newegg in the USA is sold out now, doesn't mean they aren't selling much slower than past releases, especially around the world. Go watch HWUB video I linked on previous page. He acknowledged they were selling a bit better in the USA(but still slow), but they really weren't moving in the rest of the world.


But anyone thinking or hoping the RTX 4080 isn't going to sell well is in for a rude awakening. The RTX 4080 is a solid high end card with exceptional performance per watt and great overall performance and feature set. It's more suited to 2K than 4K though.

But it has poor perf/$. The normal situation is that the top card like the 4090 would have the worse perf/$, and the next step down would have much better perf/$, but that isn't the case here. At best the 4080 only ties the 4090 for perf/$ and in may even be worse, which is a sign it's a ripoff.
 

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The thing though is that these companies are in it to make money so you can't really blame them for raising prices when they are the only game in town and there's such a high demand for their products that people are STILL willing to pay exorbitant fees. That's just supply and demand.

I suspect NVIDIA and scalpers are partially to blame for this. Scalpers hoping to make some quick money on Christmas sales probably scooped up the 4090. NVIDIA probably did not produce enough 4090 chips to meet demand. They misjudged the number of people that are willing to pay a premium. They likely created far more 4080s because they figured that is where the market would be. People claim they made the 4080 in order to upsell the 4090, but I don't think so.

One of the issues driving inflation right now is that it is insanely easy to get a decent paying job if you have any experience in a given field. Even in my particular field, salaries have risen by at least 80% (including my own), while remote work has reduced the cost (particularly in the US) of commuting.

The issue is that these things aren't going to hold. Inflation increases are causing layoffs, and while we haven't yet reached a tipping point (there are still more jobs available than workers), we will eventually. After that, employers will have more power, salaries will stagnate or even drop, and remote work options will shrink. (I am dumping all my money into savings for that reason :D)

After that, sales of top end cards won't be so rosy, and we may even see cheaper pricing as a result.
 
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