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40 million "black boxes" In cars since 2000??? Interesting Read in Playboy Advisor

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Just read this in the Playboy Advisor.

Question:
"This past summer congressman Bill Janklow of South Dakota sped through a stop sign into the path of a motorcyclist who was killed. The news coverage mentioned the Janklow's 1995 Cadillac had a factory-installed "black box" like the one you'd find on a airplane. What sort of data does it store? can it verify your speed? Which vehicles have these boxes and can the be removed or disabled?

Answer:
The latest boxes record your speed during the few seconds before impact, as well as whether you accelerated or braked and whether your seat belt was fastened. Janklow's box was too old to provide anything useful, but in a similar case in Florida the data helped convict a man charged with manslaughter. He had been driving his 2002 Trans Am on a residential street then he collided with a car pulling out of a driveway: Two teenagers were killed. He admitted to going 60MPH. The accident investigator calculated his speed at 98 mph. The black box recorded it as high as 114mph. He got 30 years.

As many as 40 million vehicles, including GM since 2000 and every ford since 2002, have electronic data recorders. Safety researchers, insurers and prosecutors love EDRs; opponents see them as incrimination (one defense attorney compared the technology to "having a government agent in the backseat"). Automakers that the positive that the data belongs to the vehicles owner (GM collects it for safety studies only with permission), but that doesn?t stop a judge from issuing a court order. On July 1 California will become the first state to require automakers to inform buyers if their new cars have EDTs. The technology is difficult to remove because it's integrated with the system that controls the air bags.


WTF!!! I never knew this. I wonder how I find out if my 2000 toyota Sienna has one of these? If any of you are driving a new Ford you and didnt know about this I would be very pissed.
 
I could see this as being a good way to determine the facts prior to an accident, but it also seems to be a step closer to "big brother" keeping an eye on us. It would be easy to integrate a GPS with this technology, and automatically fine anyone who is speeding or runs a stop sign.

R
 
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.
 
Originally posted by: rgwalt
I could see this as being a good way to determine the facts prior to an accident, but it also seems to be a step closer to "big brother" keeping an eye on us. It would be easy to integrate a GPS with this technology, and automatically fine anyone who is speeding or runs a stop sign.

R

OnStar, one of GM's biggest things, has GPS already.
 
good deal, as long as its not recording my private messages and sending them somewhere, i have no problem with this. if i was in an accident, i'd like to be able to have facts to back up my case.
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.

So I assume you would be willing to have a keylogger installed on your computer? Not to be abused, of course, just in case something goes wrong?
 
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.

So I assume you would be willing to have a keylogger installed on your computer? Not to be abused, of course, just in case something goes wrong?

excellent analogy for us nerds to understand.
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.
Die. :|

Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?
 
When I see animals on the road cutting people off, changing lanes with no signal while in an intersection with 2 of 3 brakelights out
 
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Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.

Wow, just... wow.

This is how fascism is started, folks.
 
Originally posted by: LAUST
Originally posted by: Ikonomi
"You have one point left on your license. Have a good day."
When I see animals on the road cutting people off, changing lanes with no signal while in an intersection with 2 of 3 brakelights out.. I ALMOST get to the point I wouldn't mind this happening especially if we could just do autopilot and sit back and relax 😉
Then you piss off some bureacrat (maybe over a regular permit dispute or something like that), who calls his buddy down at vehicle control, who causes your car to crash with you and your family in it, with no one the wiser as to what happened.

Have a nice day, Comrade.
 
Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?
Hiding behind the Constitution is always the first choice of those hiding guilt. Put down the booze and the bong, drive responsibly, and you'll have no need for concern about that black box.
 
Originally posted by: Carbo
Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?
Hiding behind the Constitution is always the first choice of those hiding guilt. Put down the booze and the bong, drive responsibly, and you'll have no need for concern about that black box.

Wow, just... wow.

This is how fascism is started, folks.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.
Die. :|

Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?

Haha - Suicide Bridge! Anyway, just because I'm willing to put up with a black box in my car in order to HAVE the car doesn't mean I'll put up with everything. About the key logger... as long as the information isn't available to the general public, because I frequently manage things like my bank account and Paypal accounts on my computer, I don't see any harm in being required to have it running in order to use my computer. Jeez. You guys would think that this constitution-thing that you're bitching about allows me to have my own opinion!! :Q
 
Call me paranoid.. but in 1998 when i bought my new gs400, i went out of my way to find one without the Navigation system because i was afraid that my car would be able to be tracked with it by anyone with a one week engineering background.. lol

I don't have anything to hide except the occasional jaunt to strip clubs and stuff like that.. nothing major.. I treat it the same way i hate being tracked by spyware or cookies.. I avoid it!
Yes, i am paranoid.. i acknowledge it, admit it and am living with it 😀
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.
Die. :|

Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?

Haha - Suicide Bridge! Anyway, just because I'm willing to put up with a black box in my car in order to HAVE the car doesn't mean I'll put up with everything. About the key logger... as long as the information isn't available to the general public, because I frequently manage things like my bank account and Paypal accounts on my computer, I don't see any harm in being required to have it running in order to use my computer. Jeez. You guys would think that this constitution-thing that you're bitching about allows me to have my own opinion!! :Q

And we are countering your opinion. So stop whining about that.

The info IS available against your will by state and federal mandate. THAT is what the 4th Amendment sought to prevent. GOVERNMENT invasions into property, papers and info.
 
I can understand where these boxes would come in handy to determine the cause of accidents, or the events leading up to one..

but it does lend itself to abuse by the agencies of whatever government happens to be employing them. If they can guarantee that there would be absolutely NO type of additional tracking, beyond vehicle diagnostic, then yea, I'd agree to have one in my vehicle, as it could help prove/disprove assumptions by officers at an accident scene.


But to simply say that this is "1984!!! 1984!!! 1984!!!" is silly and rather juvenile..

 
Originally posted by: Carbo
Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?
Hiding behind the Constitution is always the first choice of those hiding guilt. Put down the booze and the bong, drive responsibly, and you'll have no need for concern about that black box.
Right.... I hope you're kidding.
Enjoy it when a bored underworked prosecutor forges evidence onto your black box and sends you to prison for the rest of your life. As I said, there are VERY valid reasons why we have the constitutional protections we do. If you're too stupid to understand them, at least do the rest of us who do a favor, and let us protection what few freedoms and protections from government abuse we have left...

Idiots... I swear... when does the government camera go in everyone's house? When do they just implant a chip in my brain? "Oh, you have nothing to worry about from this chip as long as you're a good slave..." Morons... :|:|:|:|

Oh, and take your assumptions about alcohol and drug use and shove them up your self-righteous pricked ass! :|
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Well, if you're not driving like a dumbfvck, what do you have to worry about? Drive responsibly and this little black box will be on YOUR side, not theirs.
Die. :|

Idiots like you will never figure just WHY we have the constitutional protections in this country that we do, so why don't you just jump off the Fremont bridge?

Haha - Suicide Bridge! Anyway, just because I'm willing to put up with a black box in my car in order to HAVE the car doesn't mean I'll put up with everything. About the key logger... as long as the information isn't available to the general public, because I frequently manage things like my bank account and Paypal accounts on my computer, I don't see any harm in being required to have it running in order to use my computer. Jeez. You guys would think that this constitution-thing that you're bitching about allows me to have my own opinion!! :Q

Just because it isn't available to the "general public" doesn't mean it can't get there.

Yes, keep a keylogger running on your machine. Let some h4x0r5 find out how to access it remotely (becasue you would need that capability for tech support) and there goes all of your private passwords and other information.

No, no thank you.

If I drive responcibly, or not, I'll take my chances with the legal system before I let one of these devices in my car.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Carbo
Fascism? Now that's a reasonable leap.

Reasonable? Yes. Leap? No.

ummm... slippery slope is a logical fallacy.


anyway, it doesn't seem that the problem is the boxes themselves, just that the judge can order up the info inside one. of course, a judge can order up just about any document, so i don't see what the problem is.
 
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