4 Sticks of Ram

KevinH

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Hey everyone!

It's been YEARS since I've last built a desktop so I'm kind of out of the loop.

So I've got 4 sticks of 1 gig ram. It's this right here:


http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820145178


So I've been doing my research on a ton of mobo's and it seems that quite a few have issues using all 4 dimms.

I plan on using a E4500 chip and seeing what I can overclock to. I'm not deadset on tight memory timings either so if loosening it up a bit will make thiings run stable I'm open to it. That said, what motherboard guys?

No sli either if that can narrow things down. Future upgrade-ability to Quad core would be great as well. Thanks everyone!
 

QuixoticOne

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Some of the best 'value' overclocking motherboards out there now are the
P35 chipset ones.

I use the P5K-E version which is a lower cost model than the P5K-deluxe (which
I also have). They're both working fine with 4 sticks of 2GBy DIMMs for a
total of 8GB per system. They both run modestly overclocked Q6600 intel
quad core CPUs, so I'm pretty sure they'd stably overclock your C2D
no problem whatever.

I've heard good things about the equivalent 'mid-end' GigaByte P35 chipset
motherboard, I think it's the GA-P35-DS3 or GA-P35-DS3R that's the cheaper
version with a few less bells and whistles than the more expensive GA-P35-DQ6.
I haven't run those personally, but I'd assume they'd also give a stable overclock
for 4 DIMMs and a C2D unless there's something majorly bad about them that
I haven't heard.

I believe ABIT also has a midrange P35 motherboard; I really don't know about it
other than hearing some generally positive buzz without paying any real
attention.

There are ASUS P5K series with integrated Intel chipset graphics (VGA)
on the motherboard in case you need built in video, and I'm sure Gigabyte,
et. al. have similar models. I haven't used them, but I'd suggest that if ALL you
need is BASIC video for office / home use then it's worthwhile to pay like $20 to
$50 more for the versions with that. If you want to game in fast action 3D
realistic type games or do HD video playback as a significant issue, get
a PCI-EXPRESS 3D card like the 8800GT or whatever suits your needs.

I'm sure you can find some under $100 motherboards with various chipsets,
though personally I'd stay away from NVIDIA and ATI motherboard chipsets,
TOTALLY AVOID SIS and VIA and ALI motherboard chipsets, so that pretty much
leaves INTEL's 965 or 975 chipsets which are OK but don't deal with overclocking
or large amounts of memory nearly as well as the new P35's do.


 

QuixoticOne

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To add to my reference to the ABIT mid-range motherboard,
I found this post which specifies that the ABIT IP35-E overclocks very
well with four sticks of RAM.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2063989&enterthread=y

...
I've seen reports about the Abit IP35 Pro's inability to remain stable with four sticks of RAM north of 510MHz. Fortunately, the Abit IP35-E has no problem running four sticks of Kingston DDR2 800 "N5 OEM" up to 564MHz (DDR2 1128 with 1:1.50 memory divider). Timing is set at 5-5-5-15-2T with 2.1Vdimm. System is Orthos and Memtest86 stable.
...

Based on the detailed review given throughout that linked post, I'd
have to say that the IP35-E might well be a very suitable motherboard
for 4-DIMMs with a quad core Q6600-G0 @ 3.3-3.6GHz or the
new and better/improved Intel quad cores in the Penryn/Yorkfield/Wolfdale
series which will appear in Q1-2008 for the Q9450, et. al. which will run
at around the same speed [3.6GHz@450MHz overclockedRAM]
(limited by RAM speed and FSB speeds over 450MHz needing better chipset
cooling etc.) but give better power/performance.

You could OC to under/around 520x8 = 4.1GHz with a 45nm good Yorkfield quad
core Penryn CPU, if you had 500MHz RAM that you could OC that far
and a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme heatsink on air, or a decent water cooling
setup. Your chipset would be pretty hot and you'd need superior case airflow
and good active fan + heatpipe cooling for the chipset though to get better
stability above 450MHz or so, so I'd get a higher end motherboard than
any of the $70-$140 models if that's where you want to go.

I'd saythat the P5K-E or P5K-Deluxe are better boards in some aspects
of engineering, but depending on your particular peripheral needs and
performance goals, I'd think that the ABIT mid-range IP35-E is a
fine contender if you can save $40 or whatever on it vs. the
comparable ASUS models. I think you'll get a decent overclock out of
any of them for a dual/quad core and remain very stable to around 3.3G to 3.6G
(around 8x450=3.6GHz) on a Q6600-G0 with a heatsink like the
ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme, and even much better overall power
consumption and software performance at the same overclock frequency
(probably limited by RAM speed) if you wait for Penryn class CPUs.

If you really want to set overclock records and squeeze that last possible 10%
out of the overclock (3.8 through 4GHz range), though, then it's probably
time for a $230-$300 motherboard, penryn/yorkfield quad CPU,
500 MHz rated RAMs, etc. etc. basically probably not worth the
incremental expense vs. getting 90% of the performance for 50% of the price.

A few weeks ago places were dumping the CoolerMaster GEMINI-II heatsink
for basically free after a $29 rebate or around $15 no-rebate (newegg,
zipzoomfly, etc.). I don't know if that's still the case. It's a pain in the arse
to install, and doesn't cool near as well as the
ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme ($60ish), but for $0 - $20 it's a decent choice
for a Core2 or Q6600 or Yorkfield Penryn Q9450 type CPU. It's kind of
monstrously big and gets in the way of changing DIMMs/cables after you
install it etc. So if you want good OC for less hassle and $40 more, go
with the TR120UE or a superior next-generation (???) product.

D12SL fans from jab-tech are cheap and effective with either of those heatsinks
for a quad CPU and certainly more than enough for a dual core.
 

QuixoticOne

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Double-checked your RAM specs. Looks like it's rated at 400MHz
with a latency of 18, so I am guessing it'll run stable somewhere
between 400 and maybe 450 MHz though IDK maybe it's reputed to go
higher, but that'd be uncommon.

So 450x9=4050 is probably well BEYOND the max. CPU O/C if
your CPU has a x9 multiplier that you'll achieve with P35 and that RAM.

If your CPU has x8 multi then 450x8=3600 will be your CPU OC limit at
a memory OC of 450MHz.

Any of those boards would probably approach or exceed 450 MHz no trouble.
 

KevinH

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Awesome info man!

Been awhile but I'm looking forward to putting together my first D2C rig. Thanks again!