4 major independent global temperature monitors report 12 month cooling

[manowar821]

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[Genx87]

Heh the month of Feb is about -6f colder in MN than avg. This winter has been brutal.

 

[The Green Bean]

I hate the cold. We had a ridiculously cold winter here and I'm on the other side of the world in Pakistan. Karachi rarely sees temperatures go below 7C and it was close to freezing for a week. But the current weather is absolutely gorgeous India too had the coldest winter in years.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Citrix
i still believe we need to be worrying about a ice age before global warming.

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Oddly enough, global warming causing a massive melt off of polar ice could stop various ocean currents leading to an ice age in the upper latitudes. A current like the gulf stream is water density driven, cycling heat from the lower latitudes up to the poles. Which also means global warming could turn presently productive farm lands into deserts and have all kinds of unpredictable effects on climate.

Its one thing to have a belief and quite another to be playing Russian Roulette with the climate. We simply don't know
what non reversible tipping points could be reached. What we are seeing now is unprecedented in the last million years. We know we can prosper with the present climate, we don't know if we can prosper with a future man made roll of the dice.

Hey, buddy, that was a movie, not science.

Leave science to the scientists, okay? The irony here is that this cooling fluctuation in the long-term warming trend was predicted by top climate scientists some time ago, but politically-driven junk science alarmists like yourself labeled them as "deniers." :roll:

Who, like you?

Originally posted by: dphantom
I was wondering how long it would take someone to say that global warming is the cause of an ice age.

Nobody said "IS the cause", Einstein. They've said "could cause".

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Climate will change and man will have little long-term effect on climate. Could, should, maybe, all would turn into an "I told you so" by the global warmers if in fact an ice age did happen to start.

Quite honestly, I want global warming. Another 1-2 degrees F would be ideal IMO.

wow, it would seem, at least in your mind, that your hunch turned out to be true, you really must be proud of yourself using all that intelligent analysis to determine that all those scientists were wrong and that it was just the silly sun causing all the problems..we can now all go out and buy that 5 mpg hummer we've always wanted

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh the month of Feb is about -6f colder in MN than avg. This winter has been brutal.

Seems like someone always has to throw in their meaningless anecdotal evidence in these threads.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why is it that incredibly informative posts like this get ignored?

Because they aren't informative?

More from "the denier" Michael Asher:

In at least one instance (the Late Ordovician Ice Age), CO2 levels were up to 15X higher than they are today -- some 4500 ppm. And yet the planet was locked in one of the worst ice ages it's ever seen.

..

The majority of such ice is indeed in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets. Unlocking all the water in those sheets would have a catastrophic effect on world sea levels.

However, sea-level is rising only 2-3mm/year (~25cm/century), the same rate its been rising for thousands of years, ever since we exited the last Ice Age. Southern Hemisphere ice appears to be growing at present, and Greenland ice shrinking very slowly.

...

It all depends on scale. From 1998, the trend is downward...but from 1900 onward, there's still a very slight upward trend. But if one looks back further still (say from 500 AD onward), the trend is cooling again. The earth is cooler now than it was then.

Look back a few more thousand years to the last Ice Age, and the earth is on a warming trend. Look all the way back to the Devonian, and we're cooling again.

So which of these is the "right" period to examine? Depends on what you're trying to prove of course.

...

I've always maintained that global warming is occurring, just that the anthropogenic (human-induced) portion is significantly smaller than claimed, and that the data doesn't indicate any reason to be alarmed (i.e. that the anticipated degree of warming is likely to be only a moderate annoyance in most regions, and even a minor benefit to some).

Man's contribution to climate change is a pittance compared to natural processes. If you want to concentrate on worthy causes, then help reduce pollution for the purpose of improving air quality and groundwater quality.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why is it that incredibly informative posts like this get ignored?

Because they aren't informative?

More from "the denier" Michael Asher:

In at least one instance (the Late Ordovician Ice Age), CO2 levels were up to 15X higher than they are today -- some 4500 ppm. And yet the planet was locked in one of the worst ice ages it's ever seen.

..

The majority of such ice is indeed in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets. Unlocking all the water in those sheets would have a catastrophic effect on world sea levels.

However, sea-level is rising only 2-3mm/year (~25cm/century), the same rate its been rising for thousands of years, ever since we exited the last Ice Age. Southern Hemisphere ice appears to be growing at present, and Greenland ice shrinking very slowly.

...

It all depends on scale. From 1998, the trend is downward...but from 1900 onward, there's still a very slight upward trend. But if one looks back further still (say from 500 AD onward), the trend is cooling again. The earth is cooler now than it was then.

Look back a few more thousand years to the last Ice Age, and the earth is on a warming trend. Look all the way back to the Devonian, and we're cooling again.

So which of these is the "right" period to examine? Depends on what you're trying to prove of course.

...

I've always maintained that global warming is occurring, just that the anthropogenic (human-induced) portion is significantly smaller than claimed, and that the data doesn't indicate any reason to be alarmed (i.e. that the anticipated degree of warming is likely to be only a moderate annoyance in most regions, and even a minor benefit to some).

Man's contribution to climate change is a pittance compared to natural processes. If you want to concentrate on worthy causes, then help reduce pollution for the purpose of improving air quality and groundwater quality.

Truest comment yet. I am very careful with the resources I use, recycle were possible, preserve green space, save energy by using newer bulbs, appliances etc... But energy usage drives wealth. The wealthier people are the more energy they use and the more energy they use, the wealthier they become.

How we use and the forms that energy take are the discussions we should have. Not whether man is causing GW and not how we can reduce energy use to "save the planet".

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: hellokeith

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Why is it that incredibly informative posts like this get ignored?

Because they aren't informative?

More from "the denier" Michael Asher:

In at least one instance (the Late Ordovician Ice Age), CO2 levels were up to 15X higher than they are today -- some 4500 ppm. And yet the planet was locked in one of the worst ice ages it's ever seen.

..

The majority of such ice is indeed in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets. Unlocking all the water in those sheets would have a catastrophic effect on world sea levels.

However, sea-level is rising only 2-3mm/year (~25cm/century), the same rate its been rising for thousands of years, ever since we exited the last Ice Age. Southern Hemisphere ice appears to be growing at present, and Greenland ice shrinking very slowly.

...

It all depends on scale. From 1998, the trend is downward...but from 1900 onward, there's still a very slight upward trend. But if one looks back further still (say from 500 AD onward), the trend is cooling again. The earth is cooler now than it was then.

Look back a few more thousand years to the last Ice Age, and the earth is on a warming trend. Look all the way back to the Devonian, and we're cooling again.

So which of these is the "right" period to examine? Depends on what you're trying to prove of course.

...

I've always maintained that global warming is occurring, just that the anthropogenic (human-induced) portion is significantly smaller than claimed, and that the data doesn't indicate any reason to be alarmed (i.e. that the anticipated degree of warming is likely to be only a moderate annoyance in most regions, and even a minor benefit to some).

Man's contribution to climate change is a pittance compared to natural processes. If you want to concentrate on worthy causes, then help reduce pollution for the purpose of improving air quality and groundwater quality.

Sure it is. I noticed how you didn't respond to my previous post telling you that solar variation theory has already been repeatedly discussed in threads you have participated in. Please go back to those threads and re-read them for my rebuttal.

I should just have a few static posts that I can copy and paste to you every time you make one of these threads. No matter how many times your points are rebutted, you come right back with the same ones the next time as if it never happened.

 

[Atreus21]

Something to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter whether it's global warming or global cooling, because either one of them will be put to the following political use:

1. The world's temperature is changing.

2. It's America's fault.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Something to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter whether it's global warming or global cooling, because either one of them will be put to the following political use:

1. The world's temperature is changing.

2. It's America's fault.

HURF BLURF

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Something to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter whether it's global warming or global cooling, because either one of them will be put to the following political use:

1. The world's temperature is changing.

2. It's America's fault.

Nah, it's Bush's fault. He did it.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: abj13
Tsk, tsk. Did anybody check out the data sets the original poster was using? Its quite hilarious when you realize how manipulative the blogger is doing with this data. For example, the GISS data shows a drop of ".75" degrees Celsius. But is that the truth?

On the data set for the GISS, the 2007 value is 87, while the 2008 value is .12... subtract those and you get .75. But apparently this moron blogger doesn't even understand what the data represents, the value is temperature CHANGE. A value of 12 versus a value of 87 both mean the temperature INCREASED in January of 2007 and 2008, just that the increase wasn't as large in 2008. So when he says the temperature "drops" he is completely incorrect, the temperature INCREASED, just at a slower rate than the previous year. As already pointed out by others, one doesn't make a trend based off of a single year, or a single data point.

In addition, its temperature changes in January... we all know that January is not representative of the entire year, rather, obviously, the entire year is representative. Essentially his argument is that "January 2008 is different than January 2007," whoopie. :roll: How about we wait for the entire year of 2008 to play out, instead of comparing a month here and a month there.

And if the blogger like the GISS so much, why doesn't he post their most recent press release?
"Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2007 tied with 1998 for Earth's second warmest year in a century."
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/

Ooops.

Why is it that incredibly informative posts like this get ignored?

Global warming deniers pwned by science yet again!! Next up: Acupuncturists, creationists, and people who 'see auras'

 

[Mail5398]

Yeah! The meteorologist on tv here has been wrong so many times this winter, I don't think any of them know WTH is going on.