3rd-grader stuck 19 schoolmates with needle

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
"Health officials said the virus could not have been contracted from the needle stick, and they noted that preliminary tests can yield false positives."

How the hell can they say that? They say that IV drug users routinely get HIV from sharing needles, yet when something like this happens they say that you can't get it.

I think they're lying in an attempt to prevent public hysteria.
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No, it's probably because the girl and her mother are HIV negative.

They can backtrack infections, you know.

It's also because if anyone tested positive now, odds are very high it was pre-existing. It takes weeks before HIV infections show up in tests.
 
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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Also, am I the only one that noticed that nowhere did it say that the offending child or her mom had HIV?
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On the radio this morning they said the mom did have HIV.
 
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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Also, am I the only one that noticed that nowhere did it say that the offending child or her mom had HIV?
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On the radio this morning they said the mom did have HIV.
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The radio was mistaken. I just searched Google news, and NONE of the published accounts say the mother is positive.
 
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Originally posted by: arcas
Health officials said the virus could not have been contracted from the needle stick

and...

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the risk of HIV infection after a needle stick is low, with an average of one in 300 cases leading to infection.

So...which is it? You have to love articles that flat-out contradict themselves in this manner. Was the editor in the back room getting a nooner whilst the peons were publishing stories?
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were you wanking while watching porn in another window while the "peons" were already answering that question? That's already been covered in the thread above. It takes a couple of weeks BEFORE a new infection would be detectable - that's part of the reason for the preliminary tests. Thus, if the person tests HIV positive now, it's because of something else. If they test HIV positive 2 weeks from now, then they know who to sue.

However, if the 4th child poked with the needle was the one that tested positive for HIV, THEN, the 5th - last children would be at a very slightly higher risk of infection.

:) I just love Friday afternoons :p
 
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That girl probably had no idea what she was doing was that dangerous. If her mother checked her blood very often in front of the child, she could have picked up its ok to stick people with needles. I think she should be suspended but be allowed back in school.
 
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Has anyone considered it was a new, sterile, and unused needle? I'm thinking his mom doesn't re-use needles, and it was probaby one he pulled out of the box. I'm guessing that's why they are saying it was impossible they got HIV from that needle...
 
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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Has anyone considered it was a new, sterile, and unused needle? I'm thinking his mom doesn't re-use needles, and it was probaby one he pulled out of the box. I'm guessing that's why they are saying it was impossible they got HIV from that needle...
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But 19 kids had the same needle pierce their skin, so it wasn't sterile after the 1st pricking. And since one of the kids already has HIV, anyone pricked after him has the same needle entering their body after it entered an HIV infected body.

Therefore you can see that it's not impossible that someone got HIV from that needle.
 
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Has anyone considered it was a new, sterile, and unused needle? I'm thinking his mom doesn't re-use needles, and it was probaby one he pulled out of the box. I'm guessing that's why they are saying it was impossible they got HIV from that needle...
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But 19 kids had the same needle pierce their skin, so it wasn't sterile after the 1st pricking. And since one of the kids already has HIV, anyone pricked after him has the same needle entering their body after it entered an HIV infected body.

Therefore you can see that it's not impossible that someone got HIV from that needle.
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Assuming one of the kids did have HIV... They are saying the needle didn't have HIV on it BEFORE the kids were pricked if I read that right...
 
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Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
"Health officials said the virus could not have been contracted from the needle stick, and they noted that preliminary tests can yield false positives."

How the hell can they say that? They say that IV drug users routinely get HIV from sharing needles, yet when something like this happens they say that you can't get it.

I think they're lying in an attempt to prevent public hysteria.
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There's a difference between being pricked by a needle, and sharing needles with drug users.

Also, am I the only one that noticed that nowhere did it say that the offending child or her mom had HIV?
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yeah you dont get HIV by just sharing needles... you need to share needles with someones that HIV +

 
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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
"Health officials said the virus could not have been contracted from the needle stick, and they noted that preliminary tests can yield false positives."

How the hell can they say that? They say that IV drug users routinely get HIV from sharing needles, yet when something like this happens they say that you can't get it.

I think they're lying in an attempt to prevent public hysteria.
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It takes 2 weeks for HIV to be detectable after you are exposed (that is the time needed for HIV to infect you and start spreading). Thus, a true positive result now means the child was previously HIV positive.

On a related topic: the average person needs to be exposed 11 times to HIV before getting infected. HIV is acually quite difficult to transfer from a person to another person (compared to other diseases).
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Thats not the point though right? The point is that the child may have passed it on to others after being pricked with a needle. Or I may just have bad reading comprehension and thats what you guys were talking about...
 
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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: arcas
Health officials said the virus could not have been contracted from the needle stick

and...

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the risk of HIV infection after a needle stick is low, with an average of one in 300 cases leading to infection.

So...which is it?
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I answered that question above. Yes you can contract it from the needle stick (although it is rare). However, it cannot be detected immediately (unless by extremely rare coincidence the tester happened to find the one virion in the whole body, and in which case by luckilly removing the viron for testing you are probably no longer infected). Thus a true positive now means the child did not contract HIV from the needle stick but instead had HIV previously.
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Most HIV tests are antibody tests. The reason why these tests don't work immediately after infection is because the body has not had enough time to start an immune response and build antibodies.

There are tests that detect the virus directly, they're called PCR tests which detect parts of the virus genetic material. These aren't commonly used however.


In this situation, I'd also be worried about getting hepatitis B/C.

 
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glen

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
"Health officials said the virus could not have been contracted from the needle stick, and they noted that preliminary tests can yield false positives."

How the hell can they say that? They say that IV drug users routinely get HIV from sharing needles, yet when something like this happens they say that you can't get it.

I think they're lying in an attempt to prevent public hysteria.
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They mean the positive would not have already showed up on the one kid who was HIV positive.

 
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wow that the fvcked. What was going on in that kids mind and how did the little bastage stick so many kids with out someone saying something?
 
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Awful situation. The worst part is how the legal system is so messed up that the parent's of this reincarnated devil will probably sue the school system and especially her teacher.
 
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Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Originally posted by: Qwest
She was suspended and will probably be moved to another school, said Paul Vallas, the school district's chief executive.
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I am sure the parents and administration of the new school are thrilled with prospect.
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