3k gaming rig.. need critique!

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*EDITED* *EDITED* PART 2

I've RE-UPDATED the POST to suggestions.. here are the items belos the questions:


LEASE when you POST threads asking for input on system builds tell us...

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

gaming (fpsers mostly) as well as CAD entertainment renderings (intensive)

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

3000 usd

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

USA

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

No preference, but eVGA has always treated me right.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

Keeping my mouse and keyboard and monitor (will replace monitor for a high-end 30" eventually so want to plan for that.. with the 2560X1600 resolution).

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

many many threads.. most dont cover a 3k rig though.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

overclocking as best I can (novice)

8. What resolution YOU plan on gaming with.

eventually 2560X1600

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?

this month!

10. Don't ask for a build configuration critique or rating if you are thin skinned.

I love critique! I need all the input I can get! Not a proud person..why i'm coming to you guys before I buy!



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OK So I made some changes Most notible are the motherboard, the SSD and the powersupply/case combo. I also change my memory to the one recommended.
2 X EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 012-P3-1470-AR Video Card
Item #:N82E16814130550
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
-$25.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$699.98
$649.982


GIFT StarCraft2 - FREE Trial Version Game coupon
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$0.00


steelseries SX Medium Mouse Pad
Item #:N82E16826995033
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$45.991


Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Item #:N82E16835100007
Return Policy: Consumable Item Refund Only Return Policy
$9.991


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Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC256MAG-1G1 2.5" MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #:N82E16820148349
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$150.00 Instant
$729.99
$579.991


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
Item #:N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$99.991


LG 22X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH22NS40
Item #:N82E16827136180
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$17.991


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Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.B CPU Cooler
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-$7.99 Instant
$69.99
$62.001


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LG Black Blu-ray Burner WH10LS30 LightScribe Support
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Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$159.991


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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory
Item #:N82E16820231356
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$294.991


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Intel Core i7-930 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
Item #:N82E16819115225
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$289.991


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Western Digital AV-GP 1TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal AV Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #:N82E16822136496
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$79.991


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GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #:N82E16813128423
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$209.991


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Antec CP-850 850W Continuous Power "compatible with Core i7" Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817371024
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy


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Antec Twelve Hundred Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window
Item #: N82E16811129043
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

-$60.00 Instant
-$40.00 Combo
$339.98
$239.98


Grand Total:$2,740.86
 
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BigDan

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with tax and shipping it comes to just over 3k which is fine..

EDIT: Also I know the steelpad is definately not a MUST, but I owned one with my last rig and I absolutely love it.. I know its a crazy stupid insane price for something I can prolly get for next to nothing, but it's just something I really want because my last one was flawless.
 
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Get two 470s instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121372 40$ more and a lot more performance.

Do you live by microcenter?

Scrap the seperate DVD burner. For 100$ less you can get a drive that's 10x vs. 12x.

Here's a 1.5 voltage 12GB kit for 150$ less. It is one step lower in speed, but the higherspeed verison of that kit is out of stock.

Samsung F3 offers comparable performance for less. Hitachi deskstar provides pretty close performance but double capacity for 10$ more.

I might consider looking into a 32nm i7 Xeon for this price range.

PSU efficiency ratings only have to apply to loads that are 20%+ of the listed max. Here's a Corsair gold 850watt for 200$.

Mobo is megaoverkill. If you want a high performing, but not stupidly expensive part, then the BBXpower is 300$, while if you want a sensible board that will do it all, then the ASrock X58 Extreme is 190$. Both of those have open box available for a lot less. Extreme OB, Xpower OB. 230/160 respectively.
 
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Concur with what SP12 said.

Is there a particular reason why you picked such expensive optical disk drives?
LG Blu-ray burner for $100.
LG dvd burner for $18.

Do you have the intention to triple SLI in the future or need 24GB of ram? If not, you should go with a P55/core i7-875 build. If so, stick with the X58.

120GB Vertex 2 for less money than the 100GB

The Sparkle (OEM by Great Wall) could be a great power supply, but I havne't read any review by the top notch reviewers (jonnyguru/hardocp/hardwaresecrets). I would go with the AX or HX series by Corsair.

1200 watt is overkill unless you intend to SLI, I recommend
750w - single 480
1000w - dual 480
1200w - triple 480
 

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What makes a computer case worth $549.00??? Is it gold plated or what?

Why not just spend $999 on a X6 Intel Processor?

Spend the money on the things that improve your game playing. Not Eye Candy.

I have also read some articles that claim you dont get much better performance at all by going beyond 6 gb of RAM. What operating system can take advantage of that much RAM?

This is my opinion. A plane old black plane-jane generic case will work just fine. However, spending just a little more can work just fine also. I would be hard pressed to find the value in a computer case you will probably only use once.

RAM usage in 32 bit mode or XP Compatability mode:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...s/thread/7df2e968-f6a6-4a68-a5bf-5bc594c1f339

When you run a 32 bit program Windows Ultimate can not utilize 12 Gigs of RAM. I am just guessing here or going along with the post above.

I am guessing you have to use Windows 7 Ultimate to utilize 12 Gigs of RAM. If you are using the X3 RAM Controller, are you sure this motherboard will run stable? Instability in RAM usage in Triple RAM was suppose to be somewhat unstable. This could be a major problems in newer demanding games.
 
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What makes a computer case worth $549.00??? Is it gold plated or what?.

It's not, its a combo. This also includes a 1250watt power supply.. i save money with combos.



Why not just spend $999 on a X6 Intel Processor?

Spend the money on the things that improve your game playing. Not Eye Candy.

I refer to above.. if people felt i needed to pony up and get the 6 core i would, but seems like a lot of money for that...

I have also read some articles that claim you dont get much better performance at all by going beyond 6 gb of RAM. What operating system can take advantage of that much RAM?

This is my opinion. A plane old black plane-jane generic case will work just fine. However, spending just a little more can work just fine also. I would be hard pressed to find the value in a computer case you will probably only use once.


Remember i'm not just gaming i'm doing CAD work too. processor and memory is important for that. doubt I could get enough memory for the high-res renderings I do.

Thanks!
 

BigDan

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Concur with what SP12 said.

Is there a particular reason why you picked such expensive optical disk drives?
LG Blu-ray burner for $100.
LG dvd burner for $18.

Do you have the intention to triple SLI in the future or need 24GB of ram? If not, you should go with a P55/core i7-875 build. If so, stick with the X58.

120GB Vertex 2 for less money than the 100GB

The Sparkle (OEM by Great Wall) could be a great power supply, but I havne't read any review by the top notch reviewers (jonnyguru/hardocp/hardwaresecrets). I would go with the AX or HX series by Corsair.

1200 watt is overkill unless you intend to SLI, I recommend
750w - single 480
1000w - dual 480
1200w - triple 480


Thanks for the find on the ssd hard drive! nice!

I want to be future proof which is why i went with the 1250w. I think i'm going to take your guys' advice and go with 2 470's though if you feel its a big improvement.
 

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What makes a computer case worth $549.00??? Is it gold plated or what?

Why not just spend $999 on a X6 Intel Processor?

Spend the money on the things that improve your game playing. Not Eye Candy.

I have also read some articles that claim you dont get much better performance at all by going beyond 6 gb of RAM. What operating system can take advantage of that much RAM?

This is my opinion. A plane old black plane-jane generic case will work just fine. However, spending just a little more can work just fine also. I would be hard pressed to find the value in a computer case you will probably only use once.

The case isn't $500, it's "only" $175, it's just in a combo with the ridiculous overkill power supply. About the RAM, the OP did say that he was doing CAD, so that could easily chew up more than 6GB of RAM, depending on what he's doing.

OP, Sp12 and jchu's recommendations are good as always. You can shave around $600 off the build with their suggestions (enough for SLI GTX 480's!).

But seriously OP, you've got a ton of fluff in the build that is really dragging it down from a value point of view. You shouldn't pick expensive parts just because they are expensive. One thing that I would add is that you don't really need to spend $510 on a GTX 480. If you want a GTX 480, there are plenty around $450 that you can overclock yourself.
 
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I want to be future proof which is why i went with the 1250w. I think i'm going to take your guys' advice and go with 2 470's though if you feel its a big improvement.

The bolded is impossible with today's (or any day's) hardware. The only future-proofing that works is money in the bank. Don't spend ridiculous amounts of money on the PSU, optical drives, and motherboard. That money in the bank is far more "future-proof" than anything you can buy today.

Buying an insane PSU is doubly silly because you'll end up spending most of your time below 20% capacity, and thus getting crap efficiency, thus spending more on your electric bill than a more appropriately-sized PSU would. I doubt you'll see (single-GPU) desktop PC's that can stress a 1KW PSU due to simple physics. 130W is pretty much the TDP wall for processors and we all know how hard the GTX 480 smacked into the 250W PCIe power limitation.
 
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Okay, so throwing together random parts on newegg:



Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...

CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-950TX 950W ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

2x CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9

ASUS P7P55D EVO LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard


Intel Core i7-875K Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Unlocked Desktop Processor BX80605I7875K

Corsair Nova Series CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)



Brings you to 1964 preshipping. More or less the same rig for 1000 bucks less, with IMO a better power supply. Before anyone says anything, I just randomly picked an SSD in that price range for comparison.

Edit: Yeah the 470's might be better than a 480, honestly I haven't been following the nvidia 400 lineup, like I said i was just throwing together random things.
 
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I think $3000 is major overkill for any computer. I never had any problem building a rig for under $700 that lasts a long time. Buuuut, that's just me, to each his own.
 

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Okay, so throwing together random parts on newegg:



Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

EVGA 015-P3-1482-AR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...

CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-950TX 950W ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

2x CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9

ASUS P7P55D EVO LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard


Intel Core i7-875K Lynnfield 2.93GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Unlocked Desktop Processor BX80605I7875K

Corsair Nova Series CSSD-V128GB2-BRKT 2.5" 128GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)



Brings you to 1964 preshipping. More or less the same rig for 1000 bucks less, with IMO a better power supply. Before anyone says anything, I just randomly picked an SSD in that price range for comparison.

Edit: Yeah the 470's might be better than a 480, honestly I haven't been following the nvidia 400 lineup, like I said i was just throwing together random things.

Yeah that looks pretty good except for the SSD (it's an old Indilinx based one). The Vertex 2 or Agility 2 (same thing but with different firmware) would be better.
 

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Yeah that looks pretty good except for the SSD (it's an old Indilinx based one). The Vertex 2 or Agility 2 (same thing but with different firmware) would be better.

;) hence why I said whatever on the SSD. Yeahhh vertex2/agility2, those seem to be popular.




Regardless, off to a good start :D
 

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Not sure if i'm supposed to but instead of putting it at bottom i edited the list on my first post..

am I closer?
 

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I still feel you should ditch x58 and get a p55 board, lose the 3x4GB memory, WAY too expensive right now (500 bucks for memory? really?).

go with 4x2gb for 8gb of memory on a p55 board with an 875k chip. Those 3 things right there will save you a ton of money.
 

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Not sure if i'm supposed to but instead of putting it at bottom i edited the list on my first post..

am I closer?

Editing the OP is fine (preferable even!).

The edited build is closer, but you should really dump that memory and go with what Sp12 linked. 33% cheaper for essentially the same thing.
 

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If you're set on getting the Antec Twelve-hundred, you should consider getting the Antec CP-850 and case combo. It's in the proprietary CPX form factor that only fits the the Twelve-hundred,P183, and P193. The unit performs extraordinarily well for its price. The performance is almost as good as the the Antec signature line and is easily better than the Corsair TX line. JonnyGuru.com review. With the case/psu combo, it's easily the best power supply you can buy for the money. 850watt is more than enough for two SLI 470.
 

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Thanks guys,

I edited my first post..

most noticlble changes:

changed memory per advice
changed SSD to a faster(more expensive) one.. bad choice?
went for the power supply/case combo
added a blu ray burner back
changed the motherboard.

hows this?
 

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I would get the 6 core i7 (or better the Xeon 6 core). Your renders will fly like lightning. I do 3D special effects with max. Don't waste your money on 24GB ram. Ram hungry apps are more on the video editing/ high poly sculpting side. You'll want to focus on Processor and Graphics memory (maybe pop for a 2GB quadro...?) You won't need a 1200W psu either. Get a nice 800W-850W 80+ certified PSU. Also, if the case really is above $500 (haven't looked) go with a less expensive case. Normally the $200 range is overkill. Look for one in the $150 range that has good airflow and fans.

EDIT: This is how I prioritize things building workstations for 3D, Graphics Card (for the time working), Processor (for the time rendering), Ram (for pretty much everything), Case (for cooling), Hard Drive (for OS and Programs), Hard Drive (for storage), PSU, Disk Drive(s).
 
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BigDan

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I would get the 6 core i7 (or better the Xeon 6 core). Your renders will fly like lightning. I do 3D special effects with max. Don't waste your money on 24GB ram. Ram hungry apps are more on the video editing/ high poly sculpting side. You'll want to focus on Processor and Graphics memory (maybe pop for a 2GB quadro...?) You won't need a 1200W psu either. Get a nice 800W-850W 80+ certified PSU. Also, if the case really is above $500 (haven't looked) go with a less expensive case. Normally the $200 range is overkill. Look for one in the $150 range that has good airflow and fans.

EDIT: This is how I prioritize things building workstations for 3D, Graphics Card (for the time working), Processor (for the time rendering), Ram (for pretty much everything), Case (for cooling), Hard Drive (for OS and Programs), Hard Drive (for storage), PSU, Disk Drive(s).


I tend to agree with you. Here's the real issue i'm having..

I don't do this often.. I have money now and I want to be good to go for 3+ years. I'd rather spend more now and not have to worry about it later, but on the same side I dont want to be ripped off by buying the absolute most cutting edge stuff.

That being said, the 980 was something I was really interested in but after looking through forums a lot of people are saying if I don't watercool a 980 then i'm dumb for buying one...

I have no watercooling experience and quite frankly the through is kind of unnerving as i've heard they are prone to leaks and other problems..

So whats the deal guys.. if i go for the 980 do I need to wc it? if so what do you suggest?

I say my budget is 3k but really its whatever it needs to be to make me happy. I can spend a little more and get everything I want and have a rockin system that will bleed through my CAD work then i'm happy.. I think at this point this system will tear through any games I throw at it anyway.

Also don't forget I want to push a 30" monitor here as well.. I might go buy that sooner rather than later.
 

Chapbass

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Is spending like...2k now and then like 1000 in say 1-2 years a possibility?

If so, drop 2k now, then in a year or two, when bigtime SSD's, another gen. of graphics power, and sandy bridge processors are all commonplace, spend 1k on proc/MB/vid/SSD, in order of whatever looks best for your buck. I'll say youll get a ton more performance, especially in 3 years, with 1.5 year old parts as opposed to high end 3 year old parts.
 

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I tend to agree with you. Here's the real issue i'm having..

I don't do this often.. I have money now and I want to be good to go for 3+ years. I'd rather spend more now and not have to worry about it later, but on the same side I dont want to be ripped off by buying the absolute most cutting edge stuff.

That being said, the 980 was something I was really interested in but after looking through forums a lot of people are saying if I don't watercool a 980 then i'm dumb for buying one...

I have no watercooling experience and quite frankly the through is kind of unnerving as i've heard they are prone to leaks and other problems..

So whats the deal guys.. if i go for the 980 do I need to wc it? if so what do you suggest?

I say my budget is 3k but really its whatever it needs to be to make me happy. I can spend a little more and get everything I want and have a rockin system that will bleed through my CAD work then i'm happy.. I think at this point this system will tear through any games I throw at it anyway.

Also don't forget I want to push a 30" monitor here as well.. I might go buy that sooner rather than later.

You will likely be happy with a 930, 6GB DDR3 1600, a reliable case around $150, a single 460 1GB, and a SSD with storage drive. Anything else is really overkill for you. You will see slight improvements with the SLI and the 6 core but I would not say they are substacial enough for the price tag. My 1GB Radeon 4890 (year old) graphics card and stock 920 give me unbelievable fps in max. I've worked with scenes that have poly counts in the millions and only see real fps problems when I get close to 3 mil. and I'm moving parts of the scene that have large poly counts. I would get a Xeon if i'm spending $1000 on a processor. They run at a lower clock speed but they are more stable and run cool because of it.

If you want to spend enough money to make you happy spend $1500 and pop for dual monitors. They really make working more comfortable. Older games don't like the duals as much, but some extra fidgeting will allow them to work, newer DX10 and DX11 games don't mind as much. Save whatever is left over for a shiny new upgrade or two and you're set.

May I ask what you are upgrading from? My upgrade was probably more substancial than your's will be, so $1500 might not make you "happy" as I was. I don't know for sure yet though.
 

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You will likely be happy with a 930, 6GB DDR3 1600, a reliable case around $150, a single 460 1GB, and a SSD with storage drive. Anything else is really overkill for you. You will see slight improvements with the SLI and the 6 core but I would not say they are substacial enough for the price tag. My 1GB Radeon 4890 (year old) graphics card and stock 920 give me unbelievable fps in max. I've worked with scenes that have poly counts in the millions and only see real fps problems when I get close to 3 mil. and I'm moving parts of the scene that have large poly counts. I would get a Xeon if i'm spending $1000 on a processor. They run at a lower clock speed but they are more stable and run cool because of it.

If you want to spend enough money to make you happy spend $1500 and pop for dual monitors. They really make working more comfortable. Older games don't like the duals as much, but some extra fidgeting will allow them to work, newer DX10 and DX11 games don't mind as much. Save whatever is left over for a shiny new upgrade or two and you're set.

May I ask what you are upgrading from? My upgrade was probably more substancial than your's will be, so $1500 might not make you "happy" as I was. I don't know for sure yet though.


Right now I have an Athlon 4400+, a dfi lanparty expert mb, 2 gig ram, 750gig 7200 rpm hdd and an evga 7950 video card...

so yeah anything would be an upgrade :p
 
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Davidh373

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Right now I have an Athlon 4400+, a dfi lanparty expert mb, 2 gig ram, 750gig 7200 rpm hdd and an evga 7950 video card...

so yeah anything would be an upgrade :p

I upgraded from a Core 2 Duo, so yeah, you would experience enough of an upgrade to be happy. I'm just now considering a different graphics card soon (probably a 460 1GB). I'll find you some links, and edit this post in a minute.

EDIT:

Coolermaster Gladiator
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...er%20gladiator

Corsair 650TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9005&Tpk=650tx

i7 930
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-225-_-Product

Gigabyte LGA 1366
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-423-_-Product

ASUS 470
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-372-_-Product

GSkill DDR3 1600 6GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-225-_-Product

Crucial RealSSD Sata III
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148358

Western Digital Sata III
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...136533&Tpk=1tb

Total: 1353.89

If you really need to spend more $, buy dual IPS design monitors. Response time isn't the best but they are "color accurate" apparently. Since you have more than enough this should be the next step. If you want more gaming tuned monitors then get 2 23" 1080p monitors around $200.
 
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