3Dmark Vantage "feel" question

[mojothehut]

Hey all.
I'm just trying to get a feel for some benchmarks to see if my new rig is in the right ballpark for results. Just ran the free version of Vantage and got the following results.
3DMark Score 17477 3DMarks
Graphics Score 20585
CPU Score 12029
Jane Nash 63.52 FPS
New Calico 61.27 FPS
AI Test 1559 Operations/s
Physics Test 20 Operations/s
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My hardware consists of
AMD 975 3.6ghz
ATi 7950[950/1250] (12.2 pre-cert)
8gb DDR1600
AMD Sabertooth 990FX mobo
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Do these benchmark scores seem reasonable for the listed hardware?

 

[mojothehut]

Hmm also Windows only scored my graphics at 6.6
Seems kind of low?

 

[GotNoRice]

Wow that CPU score is WAY low. Even my old Q6600 from 2006 is good for 15K CPU score. That is almost certainly holding you back.

Speaking of being held back, your GPU score is also about 5-6K lower than it should be with that card, probably also due to your CPU.

When I upgraded from my Q9650 @ 4.4Ghz to my 2500K @ 5Ghz, my GPU score increased from 27K to 33K, all due to less CPU bottleneck.

 

[mojothehut]

Hmm well I can't really upgrade my cpu for a while. I know its not the favorite i5 everyone loves. But from the reading I did before buying it, the AMD 975 was supposed to be one of the best AMD chips for gaming?

 

[notty22]

In gaming your rig will hold up fine.

Run the free version of Vantage 3Dmark 11

The free version runs in performance mode. Which is also low resolution , but is dx11 and much more gpu intensive , more representative of today's gaming.

Run that and report back.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Have you overclocked the cpu yet? It should do 4GHz given you have decent cooling, up to 1.5v is fine on air.

Also make sure you're overclocking your cpuNB, this is key for Phenom II as their memory controller is pretty weak. Most Denebs will do around 2.8GHz on the cpuNB, again 1.5v is ok on air but voltage to it tends to taper off after 1.35v or so.

 

[GotNoRice]

the AMD 975 was supposed to be one of the best AMD chips for gaming?

Well everything is relative...

The 975 holds up well against Core2Quad chips at stock, but even then you are talking about the 975 with a stock clock of 3.6 going up against C2Q chips with stock clocks of 2.4-3Ghz. Once you actually overclock on the intel chip (which almost everyone does) it's game over. You might be able to get a little extra out of overclocking your 975 but don't expect 1Ghz+ overclocks like is typical with an intel chip. That is just comparing it against Intel chips that are now 3+ generations old. A first generation i5/i7 would stomp all over it, and the 2nd gen Sandy Bridge i5/i7s... well AMD might as well resurrect the duron brand for chips like the 975 at this point.

 

[mojothehut]

Not really interested in overclocking, as cooling may be an issue. Im using stock for now.

Anyway, I was just searching around looking at other vantage scores and AMD 955s are scoring much higher CPU marks than my 975.. I mean a lot higher. like 30-40k more than mine. That seems like something is drastically wrong.
Which is going to bug me now. Games seem to run okay, WoW on ultra, 60fps, SWTOR about the same. Skyrim runs nice, AvP also nice. Just this benchmark seems to be having issues. =\

 

[GotNoRice]

I was just searching around looking at other vantage scores and AMD 955s are scoring much higher CPU marks than my 975.. I mean a lot higher. like 30-40k more than mine. That seems like something is drastically wrong.

30-40k more? I doubt that is the case as even my 2500K @ 5Ghz achieves "only" 25K CPU score in Vantage.

The 955 should be scoring about ~11K CPU score in Vantage.

 

[mojothehut]

May bad, not sure what I was reading then about the 30-40k more thing.


Anyway, just ran 3dmark 11 (basic free download version)
and scored 6529 marks.
Graphics: 7618
Physics: 4643

 

[mojothehut]

In gaming your rig will hold up fine.

Run the free version of Vantage 3Dmark 11

Run that and report back.

Im running vantage v 110 off this page http://www.3dmark.com/3dmarkvantage/
Is that the correct version? I cant seem to find "Vantage 3Dmark11"

 

[hdfxst]

i just ran vantage and my cpu score is 12395

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Those 50K+ scores are with PPU done by Nvidia gpu's.

 

[notty22]

Im running vantage v 110 off this page http://www.3dmark.com/3dmarkvantage/
Is that the correct version? I cant seem to find "Vantage 3Dmark11"

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmark11/download/

 

[Iron Woode]

my 3dmark Vantage scores using performance test:

3dmark - P12667
GPU - 10275
CPU - 38674

my system:
AMD 965BE (stock clock and cooling)
Nvidia GTX260 216SP
4gig DDR3
GA-770TA-UD3
Win7 64bit

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You're using your 260 to do the Physics portion of the cpu test.

 

[mojothehut]

You're using your 260 to do the Physics portion of the cpu test.

So folks running Nvidia chips will be showing much higher physics marks due to PPU stuff? Well that makes me feel better about my score considering Im not using an nvidia card =)

 

[MangoX]

PhysX should have been disabled by default on Vantage. Causes too much confusion for newbies.

 

[GotNoRice]

lol even my old Ageia PPU from 2006 can manage nearly a 20K "CPU Score".

 

[mojothehut]

lol even my old Ageia PPU from 2006 can manage nearly a 20K "CPU Score".

I guess it's kind of frustrating from an ATi point-of-view. Is having a PPU that important? Like I said, I've been very happy with the performance of my system with the games I play, only point of disappointment is the cpu benchmark on Vantage =\

 

[notty22]

The new version of Vantage, the one I posted that features DX11 and not the version from 2006, it would put the physX issue to rest.
That was taken out in the new version.
The physics test is CPU only.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

GPU PPU is easy to spot and only affects the CPU scores.

A x4 Deneb will get around 12-16k depends on clocks, a 1090T will get around 22k, a i5-2500k will get around 22-26k depending on clocks, a i7-2600k will go over 33k, and a 3960x will do 50k.

I guess it's kind of frustrating from an ATi point-of-view. Is having a PPU that important? Like I said, I've been very happy with the performance of my system with the games I play, only point of disappointment is the cpu benchmark on Vantage =\

In a title that supports PhysX, which is what Vantage uses yes... A dedicated Nvidia gpu is awesome to have. In other titles that have lesser physics such as BFBC2 (bullet) it makes no difference since there is a lot less physics taking place and that workload is done by x86 cpu processors.

 

[mojothehut]

GPU PPU is easy to spot and only affects the CPU scores.

A x4 Deneb will get around 12-16k depends on clocks, a 1090T will get around 22k, a i5-2500k will get around 22-26k depending on clocks, a i7-2600k will go over 33k, and a 3960x will do 50k.

The 1090T scores that much more than a 4x Deneb? Despite higher clock speeds from the 4x? Two extra cores must make a big difference with that test I guess