3D Vision 2 is pretty impressive

[YBS1]

I never really expected to be particularly impressed with 3D gaming as 3D movies have never wowed me. I received my Asus VG278H the other day and have been playing around with it and I have to say the effect in some games is pretty awesome. The lightboost feature seems to be doing it's job as intended as I haven't encountered any overly dark issues except in some of the darker BF3 single player levels, though they are kind of disorienting even under 2D conditions. Crosstalk seems to be eliminated, as I haven't noticed any odd ghosting such as displayed in screenshots pointing this out with the original 3D Vision. It's been pretty well sorted in every game I've tried rated "good" or better, though there are some crosshair issues as to be expected.

After the first day I wasn't really impressed, it takes a bit to get used to it. I felt a bit like I was playing in a fog, and it gave kind of claustrophobic feel. Add to that the FOV feels more narrow for some reason and I could swear it lowers mouse sensitivity, I was initially disappointed. I felt a bit better about it yesterday, and today it's a total 180. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Anyone familiar with the way 3D Vision works have any thoughts on the FOV and mouse sensitivity comments above??? For reference the previous monitor was a 24" and this is a 27" but the resolution is unchanged. It definitely is noticeable with the mouse though as I normally run it at 2000dpi and to get it to feel somewhat right I upped it to 3200dpi, in game settings were not changed.

 

[Arkadrel]

Whats really new about 3D vision 2.0 ?

20% bigger 3D glasses that sit on your nose?
Nvidia 3D LightBoost (only if u bought new monitor), that makes screen run brighter (with 3D)?
Better Alternate-Frame sequenceing (again possible because of the monitors).

It seems like the "upg" are hardware related.
If someone already has 3D vision 1.0 system, is the price of new monitor/glasses worth it?

@YBS1

Have you tried the 3D vision 1.0? How much differnce is there between 1.0 and 2.0?

Ive only ever tried 3D gameing in a PC store, where they had a system setup.
However for me, I was much more wow'ed by the 3D movies in theatures than the gameing experiance I tried.

 

[AnandThenMan]

How much did you pay for the monitor, and how large is the bezel?

 

[Aikouka]

How much did you pay for the monitor, and how large is the bezel?

It's about $600 with glasses (NewEgg) and the bezel is about an inch.

I've got one and my only complaints are the poor vertical viewing angles. My Dell UltraSharp U2709W also has a TN panel, and the viewing angles are leagues better than this ASUS monitor. I can lean back in my chair and watch stuff get darker as I go back. If I'm watching a video and sunlight is hitting my monitor, dark scenes are unwatchable if I'm not sitting straight up. Sometimes, I get fed up with that and just move the video to my Dell monitor, and kick back!

I know, I know... it's not nerdy of me unless all light is being blocked!

 

[3DVagabond]

Let's face it. While 3D has wow factor it's just fail. Hollywood has tried to feed it to us since the 20's. In all that time there's only been about 60-70 movies ever made. It's always failed, and it'll continue to fail as long as we are looking at a flat 2D screen suspended somewhere out in front of us.

Marketing :thumbsdown:

 

[Arkadrel]

The costs still seem high though.....

For 260-300$ you can find decent 27" monitors (not 120Hz tho, usually 60-75Hz),
paying 600$+ for one that works with 3D vision 2 seems like alot of extra just for the 3D capability.

So your already paying 300-350$ extra for the monitor, then you add on the 3D glasses + software.
It just seems like alot to pay to be able to have 3D.

 

[Carmen813]

I'm debating trying to upgrade to the Benq XL2420t to get lightboost since I just picked up the 3d vision 2 glasses. What do you think my Benq XL2410t would fetch?

 

[PrincessFrosty]

So your already paying 300-350$ extra for the monitor, then you add on the 3D glasses + software.
It just seems like alot to pay to be able to have 3D.

The light boost monitors generally aren't much more expensive than other 120hz monitors, although 120hz monitors are more expensive than basic 60hz ones, there is more benefit to these kinds of monitors than just 3D. Even non-3D games in 120hz give a significant increase in gaming experience.

Overall expense is actually pretty damn low, one of the reasons that I bothered with 3D in the first place is that it's not very expensive to buy in to, I have a 30" IPS 2560x1600 monitor which to buy today (equiv panel) is about £1000 and a 1080p 3LCD projector which cost about the same £1000.

I was interested in a 120hz panel for 120fps gaming anyway, getting a bundle with a lightboost ready monitor plus the full Nvidia Vision 2 Kit was £50 off on a deal so the entire lot was £345 with VAT & Delivery, so as far as displays go this one of the cheapest I've bought in to and the 120Hz + 3D was well worth it for the price. Hell...that's cheaper than it costs to replace my projector lamp

I'm debating trying to upgrade to the Benq XL2420t to get lightboost since I just picked up the 3d vision 2 glasses. What do you think my Benq XL2410t would fetch?

Not a massive amount I suspect, the original 2410t's had a lot of problems from what I hear and people especially gamers tend to avoid.

Whats really new about 3D vision 2.0 ?

20% bigger 3D glasses that sit on your nose?
Nvidia 3D LightBoost (only if u bought new monitor), that makes screen run brighter (with 3D)?
Better Alternate-Frame sequenceing (again possible because of the monitors).

It seems like the "upg" are hardware related.
If someone already has 3D vision 1.0 system, is the price of new monitor/glasses worth it?

The biggest benefit is in the panels themselves, lightboost allows the panel to put out more light to your eye in cooperation with the glasses, one of the major drawbacks of 3D is that brightness is slashed in half and this helps mitigate that issue, the whites are impressive for 3D even when compared to IMAX 3D at the cinema.

The other benefit to ghosting is disabling the LEDs during switching period that significantly reduces flicker and ghosting, many people who used the Nvidia Vision 1 kit complained of headaches after about 15 minutes of gaming, and it also suffered from quite heavy ghosting.

I've not used Vision 1 setup mine was 2 from the start, but I can say that I've played Batman Arkham City for about 6-7 hours straight with no eye strain at all, also the ghosting is generally not visible, you need to have bright white on perfect black before you see it, again this is something comparable to IMAX 3D at the cinema. Whether its worth a 1 to 2 upgrade is going to differ from person to person depending on a few factors like your money situation and subjectively how the difference feels between the 3D solutions, some people find the eyestrain too much to use, Vision 2 pretty much solves that for most.

3D is niche, but where its use is appropriate it adds a large amount of value to the gaming experience. I'm glad I bought my kit, overall cost compared to just a regular 120hz monitor is negligible especially when compared to the total cost of all the displays attached to my PC.

 

[YBS1]

Have you tried the 3D vision 1.0? How much differnce is there between 1.0 and 2.0?

No, I'm commenting based on media/user comments I've read about the original version. I've experienced little to no problems like those.

How much did you pay for the monitor, and how large is the bezel?

$539, it's about 3/4".....yeah, I thought about three of them too. I'm not sure I have the desk real estate though.

The cost while seeming high at first glance really isn't all that bad. The 3D Vision 2 kit goes for about $130 as a stand alone, this monitor comes with the glasses and has the IR transmitter built in. So that brings the "real" cost of the monitor down to $410 for me. That's not really that much of a premium for a 27" 120Hz panel. My only real complaint is 1080P, as higher resolution would be nice. I'll take the 120Hz over the resolution for now though. A 120Hz capable Catleap would be preferable assuming 1)you could get one, 2)it wouldn't suffer any long term affects from running at 120Hz, and 3)are they even compatible with 3D Vision?

 

[SirPauly]

Imho,

The differences between first generation displays and LightBoost displays are indeed noticeable but more another step forward to improve 3d stereo gaming but more work needs to be done.

Three areas worth noting:

With active glasses there was a dimming effect with earlier displays -- this dimming is virtually gone -- very welcomed.

As aliasing is a problem to solve with gaming -- crosstalk is a problem to solve with 3d stereo and displays --- there are subjective tastes and tolerances that may differ -- Lightboost helps reduce crosstalk based on one can reduce the 3d contrast, which significantly reduces the crosstalk, while still leaving vibrant color and lighting -- very welcomed.

Another area to improve the quality of the screen is in the advanced settings: Convergence -- to find the right balance of depth and convergence may differ on individual and application -- very welcomed.

However, not all titles shine in 3d stereo, some are better than others.

 

[p_monks33]

I tried 3dvision with 3x1080p monitors and all it did was give me a headache. I dunno if I will ever try 3d again after all of the fiddling with it I had to do to make it bearable. I now just play in regular 2d surround. BF3 is the best game hands down in 3d though.

 

[aigomorla]

I tried 3dvision with 3x1080p monitors and all it did was give me a headache.

+1...

got headaches... but those go away after u get sort of used to it.
However the Motion sickness which comes later on, is something i could never get rid of in a high paced FPS.

 

[Qbah]

Is there a HDTV I could buy to use this? 40"+? I'm so used to do everything on my TV (which I use as the main and only screen) that I can't see myself going back to a "tiny" 27"...

 

[YBS1]

Whooa! Just an update to this. Anyone who happens to have a 3D Vision setup and Lego Batman 2 has to try it out ASAP. The game isn't even on the "rated" list of titles, but is by far the coolest game I've tried in 3D. It actually gives a pretty good illusion that you're playing with little Lego creatures inside a cut away box for lack of a better way to describe it. It's also the first game I've tried that actually plays better in 3D, gives it some depth that makes judging your actual location much easier. I picked the game up for my kid and had only fiddled around with it a few times, tried it out tonight and had trouble putting it down.

 

[kami]

It's good on games where developers bother to support it properly. i.e. it's pretty fantastic on Arkham City.

Only good for games you play casually for fun though, single player only really. Not something you could ever use when you play it seriously or competitively. For instance, in DX9 mode WoW's 3d is actually very, very impressive (it's borked in DX11 though) and its fun to fly around the world with it on, but good luck raiding or PVPing with it...basically impossible.