3770K vs 2600K with 32GB of RAM

replica9000

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My mainboard is a Asus Sabertooth Z77, latest BIOS. My current CPU is a 2600K. The original RAM I had installed was 4 x 2G of ADATA 1333 8-8-8-24. I had overclocked the CPU to 4.5GHz with only a small voltage offset (+0.010). Sometime later, I replaced the RAM with 4 x 8GB of G.Skill 1600 10-10-10-30.

With the new RAM, I find the CPU requires much more voltage for an overclock. I had to drop to 4.3GHz, and the voltage gets to 1.35v under full load. Setting the RAM to 1333MHz doesn't really help. I've spent hours tweaking both RAM and CPU settings.

Is it possible the IMC on the 2600K doesn't deal with 32GB of RAM? Would the 3770K handle this RAM better?
 

Burpo

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The chips have same amount of memory capacity (32gb). One has PCI-E 3.0 and higher clock speed, better GPU & lower power consumption. The GSkill memory is faster & requires less voltage. Not uncommon for the original overclock to require more juice as components gets older..
 

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The chips have same amount of memory capacity (32gb). One has PCI-E 3.0 and higher clock speed, better GPU & lower power consumption. The GSkill memory is faster & requires less voltage. Not uncommon for the original overclock to require more juice as components gets older..

I can't see it needing that much more voltage overnight though. I don't use the GPU on the CPU. I had went with the 2600K over the 3770K due to it could (on average) overclock higher and not get as hot.
 

Burpo

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Is it possible the GPU is now enabled (bios), where before it wasn't?
 

2is

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Ivy Bridge does have a better IMC than Sandy Bridge, so yes It could certainly be that causing the issue. Honestly, why would you go with an older tech for maybe an extra 200MHz? Especially when in the end you're getting virtually the same performance due to higher IPC on the newer CPU and stuck with an older feature set.
 

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The first responder does have a few points that are semi-valid, but the 3770k does indeed have a better IMC. IMC dictates the speed at which the memory can run, and whether or not the CPU will require more voltage to do so.

You might try to hit the ram with a notch of voltage up, or lower the speed / reduce timings, that might allow you to return to your previous OC. I've found with my 2700k that 4x4 is the best route to go, giving you 16gb. Doesn't stress the IMC too hard, and still allows good OC. (I'm @ and have been since day one, 4600Mhz 1.28v, and ram @ 1866 9-9-9-24-1t)
 

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More RAM dictates more voltage, all else being equal (RAM speed, CPU speed). There is just more "looking" involved. If you need more speed, get a Haswell-E. A 200 Mhz overclock is not going to be a discernible difference outside of a benchmark or two.
 

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Loading the IMC with 32gb of RAM will have a negative effect on maximum CPU OC potential. Welcome to the wonderful world of tradeoffs.
 

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In a dual channel system, I would stick with 2 sticks of RAM. Just a lot simpler.
 
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replica9000

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Is it possible the GPU is now enabled (bios), where before it wasn't?

I don't see an option to turn it off. I can only choose the primary GPU.

Ivy Bridge does have a better IMC than Sandy Bridge, so yes It could certainly be that causing the issue. Honestly, why would you go with an older tech for maybe an extra 200MHz? Especially when in the end you're getting virtually the same performance due to higher IPC on the newer CPU and stuck with an older feature set.

I wouldn't have to buy a new board for the 3770K. But I'll keep it in mind though. It's not a gaming machine. I compile programs, and occasionally video conversion. Figured 200mhz per core must make a noticeable difference.

Edit: I could get the 4790K on sale right now for $280, and it seems Intel has finally addressed the TIM issues. Still need a new board though.
 
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I'd be interested to hear about the performance differences you are noticing with 32gb vs 8gb.
 

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My mainboard is a Asus Sabertooth Z77, latest BIOS. My current CPU is a 2600K. The original RAM I had installed was 4 x 2G of ADATA 1333 8-8-8-24. I had overclocked the CPU to 4.5GHz with only a small voltage offset (+0.010). Sometime later, I replaced the RAM with 4 x 8GB of G.Skill 1600 10-10-10-30.

With the new RAM, I find the CPU requires much more voltage for an overclock. I had to drop to 4.3GHz, and the voltage gets to 1.35v under full load. Setting the RAM to 1333MHz doesn't really help. I've spent hours tweaking both RAM and CPU settings.

Is it possible the IMC on the 2600K doesn't deal with 32GB of RAM? Would the 3770K handle this RAM better?

I can't be sure about the limits generated by 32GB RAM -- I have 16 or 2x8. It's 1866 9-9-9-24-1T and I use the XMP profiles to set it up at the stock latencies. 1T isn't "stock" but seems to be automatic with the XMP selection on my mobo.

Maybe you have a bad chip for the 2600K, maybe you don't -- but you should be able to get a higher clock. My sig settings have been bumped down to 4.6 Ghz mostly because the voltage is "more comfortable." The voltage is still "acceptable" at 4.7, bottoming out with severe load and droop to about 1.36/1.37.

I don't think I saw any posters mention your VCCIO or VCCSA setting which would volt the IMC. I believe that Sabertooth board shows "VCCSA" as the only adjustable item; the Z68's had "VCCIO". [Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong here.]

I found that I had to adjust the VCCIO for command-rate = 1 for both 4.6 and 4.7. If it defaults to around 1.00V, I had to tweak it up to 1.13V.

If it's too low, your BSOD stop codes may show "09C" in addition to 101 or 124.

As for "four slots filled." You have double the memory, but before I had the Ripjaws "Z" 2x8, I had Ripjaws 4x4 1600 @ 1866 and I was still able to run command-rate=1 without increasing the RAM voltage (1.50V). It only required a similar tweak to the VCCIO. And I never had to turn that up above 1.13V.

If there's some magical sensitivity of the IMC to the TOTAL RAM, I hadn't seen it, and I could doubt that 8GB sticks in 4 slots would behave differently than 4GB in 4. It's possible, but I can't see why.

ONE MORE THING, NOT TO BE OVERLOOKED. Your Offset +0.010V is fine; you could probably drop it to 0.005V (+) and then attend to "re-tuning." There is another voltage setting in your BIOS menus -- I'm fairly sure of it -- could be in CPU Power Management. It is for "Extra Voltage for Turbo." Take it off "Auto" and use that to adjust your voltage for stability. Generally, there's a perfect trade-off between Offset and "Extra." You can increase one, and decrease the other so that you come back with about the same load voltage reading. The "Xtra" is in increments of 0.004V, while the Offset is in increments of 0.005. Thus you could bump up Offset by 10, decrease Xtra by 8, and come back with a sliver of 0.002 addition to load voltage.
 
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The chips have same amount of memory capacity (32gb). One has PCI-E 3.0 and higher clock speed, better GPU & lower power consumption. The GSkill memory is faster & requires less voltage. Not uncommon for the original overclock to require more juice as components gets older..

nah. I've never seen a CPU degrade as it aged. Motherboard? Sure. Never the CPU.

One user (IDC) fried his q6600 @ 4.0Ghz but that was because it was on Peltier cooling with ice on the motherboard and he took it down to clean everything up. Something must have shorted out and zapped it. I bet the CPU itself would have been fine.
 
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Burpo

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Didn't say CPU, "components" as in motherboard & power supply..
 

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I can't be sure about the limits generated by 32GB RAM -- I have 16 or 2x8. It's 1866 9-9-9-24-1T and I use the XMP profiles to set it up at the stock latencies. 1T isn't "stock" but seems to be automatic with the XMP selection on my mobo.

Maybe you have a bad chip for the 2600K, maybe you don't -- but you should be able to get a higher clock. My sig settings have been bumped down to 4.6 Ghz mostly because the voltage is "more comfortable." The voltage is still "acceptable" at 4.7, bottoming out with severe load and droop to about 1.36/1.37.

I don't think I saw any posters mention your VCCIO or VCCSA setting which would volt the IMC. I believe that Sabertooth board shows "VCCSA" as the only adjustable item; the Z68's had "VCCIO". [Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong here.]

I found that I had to adjust the VCCIO for command-rate = 1 for both 4.6 and 4.7. If it defaults to around 1.00V, I had to tweak it up to 1.13V.

If it's too low, your BSOD stop codes may show "09C" in addition to 101 or 124.

As for "four slots filled." You have double the memory, but before I had the Ripjaws "Z" 2x8, I had Ripjaws 4x4 1600 @ 1866 and I was still able to run command-rate=1 without increasing the RAM voltage (1.50V). It only required a similar tweak to the VCCIO. And I never had to turn that up above 1.13V.

If there's some magical sensitivity of the IMC to the TOTAL RAM, I hadn't seen it, and I could doubt that 8GB sticks in 4 slots would behave differently than 4GB in 4. It's possible, but I can't see why.

ONE MORE THING, NOT TO BE OVERLOOKED. Your Offset +0.010V is fine; you could probably drop it to 0.005V (+) and then attend to "re-tuning." There is another voltage setting in your BIOS menus -- I'm fairly sure of it -- could be in CPU Power Management. It is for "Extra Voltage for Turbo." Take it off "Auto" and use that to adjust your voltage for stability. Generally, there's a perfect trade-off between Offset and "Extra." You can increase one, and decrease the other so that you come back with about the same load voltage reading. The "Xtra" is in increments of 0.004V, while the Offset is in increments of 0.005. Thus you could bump up Offset by 10, decrease Xtra by 8, and come back with a sliver of 0.002 addition to load voltage.

I don't see any settings relating to a turbo voltage. Since the BIOS update, I might be able to be stable at 4.4GHz. Even with VCCSA at 1.0125 (turns red after that), and a +0.035v offset, I still crash at 4.5GHz. Right now I'm testing 4.4GHz with VCCSA at 1.000, and a +0.005v offset.

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nah. I've never seen a CPU degrade as it aged. Motherboard? Sure. Never the CPU.

One user (IDC) fried his q6600 @ 4.0Ghz but that was because it was on Peltier cooling with ice on the motherboard and he took it down to clean everything up. Something must have shorted out and zapped it. I bet the CPU itself would have been fine.

I've only had that happen to me twice. Both boards were from Biostar.
 

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I don't see an option to turn it off. I can only choose the primary GPU.



I wouldn't have to buy a new board for the 3770K. But I'll keep it in mind though. It's not a gaming machine. I compile programs, and occasionally video conversion. Figured 200mhz per core must make a noticeable difference.

Edit: I could get the 4790K on sale right now for $280, and it seems Intel has finally addressed the TIM issues. Still need a new board though.

My point is that IB would have done more work per clock cycle so your performance even after you factor in a 200mhz advantage for IB is virtually the same. Either way, what's done is done.

Seems like the simple answer is to go back to 16GB. Video conversions and gaming certainly don't need 32GB and you'd have to be writing some exceptionally huge program to need 32GB for compiling.
 

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My point is that IB would have done more work per clock cycle so your performance even after you factor in a 200mhz advantage for IB is virtually the same. Either way, what's done is done.

Seems like the simple answer is to go back to 16GB. Video conversions and gaming certainly don't need 32GB and you'd have to be writing some exceptionally huge program to need 32GB for compiling.

I actually just tried 16GB, and it didn't make a difference in CPU stability. Perhaps something about the RAM itself just stresses out the CPU more. I would have to throw the original RAM back in to see if the chip or board hasn't degraded at all.
 
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My point is that IB would have done more work per clock cycle so your performance even after you factor in a 200mhz advantage for IB is virtually the same. Either way, what's done is done.

Seems like the simple answer is to go back to 16GB. Video conversions and gaming certainly don't need 32GB and you'd have to be writing some exceptionally huge program to need 32GB for compiling.

I run a DAW and I used 35GB of ram. This is one of my biggest tracks. I load many GB of Kontakt libraries