3770k retail review up

[WildW]

Based on the projected line up I'm a little disappointed that there are no significant drop-in-and-go-faster replacements for a non-K CPU. I imagine they could easily release a 95W version with a 3.8GHz clock or so. I guess they just feel no pressure to do so.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Maybe they felt the additional 133 bus speed was enough for those chips, coupled with the additional four levels of turbo already possible?

 

[WildW]

133 bus speed? Where was that hidden?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Can you explain in plain English what are you trying to say ?? I didnt get that friendly advice of yours.

Come on . I have viewed enough of your post to know your not ignorant. You get what you pay for . When intel was behind they never did what AMD is tring to do . There was one low end part many liked from intel at THAT price point .

Lets buy a car , same model differant trim . So you going to complain the cheaper model doesn't have all the trim of the higher priced model. OF course not . Its no differant with cpus of same model just trimmed out differantly. There is no red herring you can use . You want something that AMD offers now but didn't in 2005 . AMD changed INTEL did not . AMD sucks Intel doesn't AMD lies in pre product release . When IVB is released . We shall see if intel LIED about IVB performance improvements over SB . AS of today ALL are calling Intel a liar including anand. Intel says 20% improvement so do I Intel did sand bag on the igp but I expected that.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

133 bus speed? Where was that hidden?

Just something that's been going around for awhile now. Dunno if it was ever made official though.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/exclusive-intel-s-future-base-clock-options-unveiled/13175.html

We were disappointed to learn that Intel will only offer a single base clock option for Ivy Bridge beyond the 100MHz of Sandy Bridge, name 133MHz

 

[Nemesis 1]

Drink much?

Maybe 6 beers for entire year not all at once either. Not since I got sick. NO meds at all no pot either. That I miss. I did try some over the boarder treatments . Tey seemed to make me feel better . But I was getting weaker. So I stopped that also. Yet here I am and happy about it . But I new in my heart God wasn't going to give me an out.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Thats exactly what I did.

So your going to wait till haswell is about ready for release befor you go IVB-E. Smart move

 

[Nemesis 1]

I would be shocked if Intel releases a 4C/8T IB-E. What would be the point?

I expect that 8C/16T IB-E will be the top end ($999) and then multiple 6C/12T skus will fill out the line. So I plan on going to 6C/12T. Besides, I like higher clocks better than more cores.

Haswell-E is where I will make the jump to 8C/16T (unless Haswell goes higher). That is where I go all in. I have $6K saved for my Haswell-E system. Everything else is just holding me over until then.

6 grand that seems reasonable. I have $ 2800 in just a lian li case modded out as fine as its gets and the watercooling parts . I can't get any cheaper as low volumn parts are expensive and proto typing is expensive , We are only planning on selling 20 units . If I can make good money at a $6500 I will be thrilled . I know I will sell all of them now . As I got the sale I wanted big name and his friends will likely buy also . Rich and young. I owe it to doctor Paul as we met because of the gop race in MN.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

6 grand that seems reasonable. I have $ 2800 in just a lian li case modded out as fine as its gets and the watercooling parts . I can't get any cheaper as low volumn parts are expensive and proto typing is expensive , We are only planning on selling 20 units . If I can make good money at a $6500 I will be thrilled . I know I will sell all of them now . As I got the sale I wanted big name and his friends will likely buy also . Rich and young. I owe it to doctor Paul as we met because of the gop race in MN.

Dang, $2800 is almost a grand more than I spent on everything I have :thumbsup:

 

[Zargon]

Water doesn't work like previous generations, voltage for clock rates isn't lowered by it, and SB doesn't get so hot it's unreasonable to use the upper end of "safe" voltage with decent air cooling.

Water cooling SB offers little to no return, except stupid low temps at stupid high clocks (cpu permitting). But all the OC potential your cpu is going to have can be seen with air typically, except maybe the last 100-200MHz that requires voltages over 1.6v that wouldn't be feasible on water anyways and only during benchmarks with phase or better.

What I'm trying to say is the cpu is what matters, a bad clocker on air will gain little to nothing from going water. The limitation is caused by the cpu itself, not the cooling. Whatever you're able to post/boot into windows at will pretty much be exactly the same with water cooling. The only difference is if your chip can run 5GHz+ water offers much better temps, which can lend into getting a few more MHz out of your cpu with more reasonable temps than the 80C+ you'd see with the top end air coolers.

I'll going water due to GPU heat issues with crossfire, so I obviously won't be leaving the CPU on air when I do that, seems silly

@ Zargon, any 2500K can exceed 4.3 Ghz. Under water, you would have to have a real clunker of a chip if it couldn't do 4.8. Mine goes 4.7 @ 1.25, 4.8 @ 1.3, 5 @ 1.4, 5.1 @ 1.49.

@4.3 I am rarely crossing 50C. but last time i pushed to 4.5 I had issues booting so I turned it back down, but I have alot of settings on AUTO and I am running 1333mhz ram......

It wasnt much of an issue until recently when I finally got 6 series xfire set up and I really seem to stress the CPU now

while I can afford to buy another CPU if I burn mine out, I'd rather not....

really the only aspect of any IB review that I will care about is how well it overclocks within reasonable volts (which is pretty much the only other thing I care about - ie, what are reasonable volts for IB?...)

if I can't take a 3770K much over 5.2GHz, I'll probably be better off going all-in with a s2011 rig and sitting on SB-E until IB-E

I *really* wanted to go that route on my next build but the sticker shock got me, I didnt want to try and explain the budgetting to my wife

 

[Edrick]

So your going to wait till haswell is about ready for release befor you go IVB-E. Smart move

You make it sound like I have a choice when Intel decides to release processors....

 

[Edrick]

I'm kind of in the same boat in that I mostly prefer higher clocks over more cores, but I might be at the point where I really do need the extra cores. Problem is that IB-E seems so far away, so I'm really hoping that these 3770Ks can really clock very well. I'm not so inclined to believe we'll see anything close to 6GHz with reasonable volts, but I am hoping to be able to hit 5.5. If they can't do much more than 5.2 I might as well go all in with a SB-E and maybe even water cooling so I can hit 5GHz. The decision would be so much easier had intel not nerfed X79

IB is coming end of April or beginning of May. IB-E should be out in Q3. That is only about 3-5 months after the IB mainstream release. The gap is going to be much shorter than the SB and SB-E gap was.

 

[Zargon]

IB is coming end of April or beginning of May. IB-E should be out in Q3. That is only about 3-5 months after the IB mainstream release. The gap is going to be much shorter than the SB and SB-E gap was.

I havent looked much at stuff that far out, what will IB-E bring to the table

 

[Edrick]

I havent looked much at stuff that far out, what will IB-E bring to the table

All the IPC improvements of IB (~5-7%). Lower power and/or faster clocks than SB-E. And hopefully a full 8C version with decent clocks and 20MB L3$.

 

[Absolute0]

@4.3 I am rarely crossing 50C. but last time i pushed to 4.5 I had issues booting so I turned it back down, but I have alot of settings on AUTO and I am running 1333mhz ram......

It wasnt much of an issue until recently when I finally got 6 series xfire set up and I really seem to stress the CPU now

while I can afford to buy another CPU if I burn mine out, I'd rather not....

Well you can't act like SB is bad at overclocking... You are just unwilling to push your chip. 50c is nothing. 80c is hot. If you want a good overclock, you will have to do more work than leave everything at auto and try to do 4.5.

You will have to abuse the chip a lot harder to burn it out. You should be able to run 1.45v 24/7 and temps in the 70's are considered fine. Their max temp is 90... Ive gone as hot as 83 at high volts... these chips are made to run hot and are relatively stable at high temps (unlike AMDs)


Anyway like i said, no Sandy Bridge with watercooling is going to top out at 4.3. You're not topping your chip out.

 

[AtenRa]

Come on . I have viewed enough of your post to know your not ignorant. You get what you pay for . When intel was behind they never did what AMD is tring to do . There was one low end part many liked from intel at THAT price point .

Lets buy a car , same model differant trim . So you going to complain the cheaper model doesn't have all the trim of the higher priced model. OF course not . Its no differant with cpus of same model just trimmed out differantly. There is no red herring you can use . You want something that AMD offers now but didn't in 2005 . AMD changed INTEL did not . AMD sucks Intel doesn't AMD lies in pre product release . When IVB is released . We shall see if intel LIED about IVB performance improvements over SB . AS of today ALL are calling Intel a liar including anand. Intel says 20% improvement so do I Intel did sand bag on the igp but I expected that.

So you saying that AMD is offering Overclockability because they are behind ?? And they didnt offered Overclockability in 2005 because they where in the lead ??

You joking right ???

As far as i remember, we could raise the FSB even when CPUs where multiplier locked from both AMD and Intel.
We could raise the FSB and OC the CPU in 386-486, Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium 4, Core Duo, Core 2 duo and BCLK in Core i3,i5 and i7 up to 9xx series. Same from AMD all the way up to today's FX series.

You want to blame someone for the luck of overclockability in Intel's lower end CPUs ??? blame Intel not me and not AMD or Cyrix or VIA or anyone else.
Funny thing is that overclockers used to OC every CPU available, from puny Celerons to $999 CPUs. Now-days they only use high end CPUs and nobody complains about what Intel have done.

Well i do and i will continue to complain about it.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

IB is coming end of April or beginning of May. IB-E should be out in Q3. That is only about 3-5 months after the IB mainstream release. The gap is going to be much shorter than the SB and SB-E gap was.

well that's excellent news, I think the last I saw there was talk of Q1'13, which would be a dreadful long wait

 

[Zargon]

Well you can't act like SB is bad at overclocking... You are just unwilling to push your chip. 50c is nothing. 80c is hot. If you want a good overclock, you will have to do more work than leave everything at auto and try to do 4.5.

You will have to abuse the chip a lot harder to burn it out. You should be able to run 1.45v 24/7 and temps in the 70's are considered fine. Their max temp is 90... Ive gone as hot as 83 at high volts... these chips are made to run hot and are relatively stable at high temps (unlike AMDs)


Anyway like i said, no Sandy Bridge with watercooling is going to top out at 4.3. You're not topping your chip out.

never did I say it was bad at OC?

I think the highest I have seen vcore currently is 1.32

just that i would like more CPU power without needing more extreme OC

All the IPC improvements of IB (~5-7%). Lower power and/or faster clocks than SB-E. And hopefully a full 8C version with decent clocks and 20MB L3$.

nice. I will probaby build with IB and then try and build something with haswell once its mature, but probably for a ESXi box where I need cores more than anything else

 

[Absolute0]

never did I say it was bad at OC?

just that i would like more CPU power without needing more extreme OC

hmph.

my new build really needs to have more CPU than a 2500k @ 4.3

I need more headroom as I doubt I can get much more from the 2500 even under water :/

All I am saying is that you have more headroom in Sandy Bridge. There's no chance a SB under water has no overclocking headroom left at 4.3Ghz. Especially if its almost all on auto.

IB will be better but the people speculating 5.5 Ghz stable are way too hopeful.

So far the best we have seen out of IB is a Super Pi 1M at 5.0 Ghz. I can bench 3dmark on my SB at 5.2 Ghz. I'm sure IB once properly pushed will do much better. 22nm vs. 32nm is a huge difference % wise. But as it has been stated repeatedly, it won't be much of an upgrade for SB owners.


I would guess, while SB tops out around 5 Ghz stable with good cooling, IB will be more like 5.3. If it can do 5.4+ with water I'll be excited for it! But won't upgrade for that small of an edge.

 

[Zargon]

All I am saying is that you have more headroom in Sandy Bridge. There's no chance a SB under water has no overclocking headroom left at 4.3Ghz. Especially if its almost all on auto.

IB will be better but the people speculating 5.5 Ghz stable are way too hopeful.

So far the best we have seen out of IB is a Super Pi 1M at 5.0 Ghz. I can bench 3dmark on my SB at 5.2 Ghz. I'm sure IB once properly pushed will do much better. 22nm vs. 32nm is a huge difference % wise. But as it has been stated repeatedly, it won't be much of an upgrade for SB owners.

ah yeah I guess I did imply that didnt I... oops

it would just be nice to be able to get a lil higher % increase in perf without using more OC

its still a way better upgrade path than going to the 79xx from 69xx GPUs


I need another CPU anyways. no reason to buy one now, I wont be ready till May I bet, as I want to fab most of the case myself....and I dont need the CPU for that. I just hope the 3770K ends up as part of the intel retail edge summer sale.....


I need to find the time to get my CPu over 4.5 I suppose too....

 

[Tempered81]

just that i would like more CPU power without needing more extreme OC

You have a few options (assuming you have very fast low-latency memory + ssd):

1. cache + cores now
2. cache + cores + IB ipc later
3. cache + cores + haswell ipc later

 

[skipsneeky2]

This cpu looks like a hard sell when you got a $200 2500k that is the best thing since sliced bread.

Gamers would not need a i7 3770k but maybe for professionals it would be perfect.

 

[Edrick]

IB will be better but the people speculating 5.5 Ghz stable are way too hopeful.

Agreed. I highly doubt IB will clock over 5.2 on air for extended usage.

 

[rgallant]

All I am saying is that you have more headroom in Sandy Bridge. There's no chance a SB under water has no overclocking headroom left at 4.3Ghz. Especially if its almost all on auto.

IB will be better but the people speculating 5.5 Ghz stable are way too hopeful.

So far the best we have seen out of IB is a Super Pi 1M at 5.0 Ghz. I can bench 3dmark on my SB at 5.2 Ghz. I'm sure IB once properly pushed will do much better. 22nm vs. 32nm is a huge difference % wise. But as it has been stated repeatedly, it won't be much of an upgrade for SB owners.


I would guess, while SB tops out around 5 Ghz stable with good cooling, IB will be more like 5.3. If it can do 5.4+ with water I'll be excited for it! But won't upgrade for that small of an edge.

-going from a 1366 @ 4.2 , a ib 3770k @ 5.2 7\24 might have the a wow effect I wanted before upgrading .
-throw in pci-e 3.0 for the next gen. of cards [I buy in pairs] it seems to be a done deal for me.
-intel still does not list any of their x79 chips as pci-e 3.0 rated , not likely a over sight.
-barring any problems , like chipset issues , chip stepping etc. after retail release, any issues and I'll go the x79 3820 set up.

 

[Edrick]

-going from a 1366 @ 4.2 , a ib 3770k @ 5.2 7\24 might have the a wow effect I wanted before upgrading .

Going from 1366 @ 4.2 to Haswell Will have the wow effect you wanted before upgrading. Just throwing it out there.

barring any problems , like chipset issues , chip stepping etc. after retail release, any issues and I'll go the x79 3820 set up.

I do not regret doing that (after I got my system working as it should).

intel still does not list any of their x79 chips as pci-e 3.0 rated , not likely a over sight.

They are PCIe 3.0 compliant and has been proven by many people/sites.