3770 K VOLTS NEED HELP PLEASE liquid pro delidded

[Redoitall]

OK First of all I have a mini ITX ASUS deluxe board in a Btfnx Prodigy, Crucial 2400 @ 2133 8 GB ...ssd 128 Crucial , 3770 k with an H-100
1- i delidded the CPU, at first I applied artic Silver 5 on die and IHS at 4.7 temps where going upward 80 c to 94 celcius not satisfied then .
2- I ordered liquid metal pro I applied on die. and I also bought PK_1 for IHS to H-100
3- I lapped CPU only up to 2500 grit . I left the h-100 alone It looks like a pain in the butt
4-ran some preliminary tests with the case meaning my Bitfenix closed as I am going to use it no open air to have more realistic expectations
5-@4.7 GHZ temps dropped at least 15 celsius to 20 celsius now it does not go past 70 Celsius on prime small ffts or Intel burn maximum settings
My concern is the volts , I have it set on offset and it goes up to 1.35 to 14 I have been using the software that comes with ai suite but as I lower the volts once I read 1.88 on CPUIZ it gives me a BSOD I tried setting the volts manually on the BIOS but then PC wont even boot . I seee some people with some nice lower volts and I would like to see this with mine. I do know every waffer is different but I think I m running volts unnecessarily high for 4.7 I value your opinions highly. Please I don't want to start a debate on the voltage I just simply would like to get an education on extreme overcloking with low volts if possible. Keep in mind I am using this rig for FSX as this game is so cpu hungry . Oh by the way after delidding I got 9.99 cinebench score which I never saw before on this chip. That was at 4.9 ghz volts were like 1.45 but with the offset I saw them at 1.56 any help from your success would be greatly apperciated

 

[Vectronic]

Over 9000v. 1.88v?... You must mean 1.088v.

Assumptions:
1. 1.35v @ 4.7GHz... is that your pre-de-lid config?
2. A drop of 15C over pre-de-lid temps, or?

If those are both "yes" then you might only be able to drop by about 0.06v... to 1.29v.

Otherwise, it's hard to tell what's going on, we need:
1. Your pre-de-lid stats/settings.
2. Your BIOS settings (anything/everything related, not just VCore).

It seems you really need to lower your LLC if you are getting +0.05 to +0.1v more at load than what is set in the BIOS. Auto Turbo Voltage may also be applying way too much.

 

[Idontcare]

Over 9000v. 1.88v?... You must mean 1.088v.

No, he really does mean 1.88V. I know exactly what happened to his setup because I did the exact same thing. Only in my case I inadvertently shoveled something like 2.4V into my 2600K.

OP - the problem is AI Suite and the mislabeling that goes on when you have the voltage method set to "offset" in the BIOS.

The AI Suite program is designed to be used with the voltage method being set to "manual" in the BIOS. That is how all the labels were setup.

Of course you can effectively use AI Suite with the offset-voltage method, but you have to be aware that you cannot read anything into the voltage values that you are setting with AI Suite at that point. You have to think of them as purely relative.

Example, assuming you set the BIOS to "offset" mode, then you boot into windows and load AI Suite, you take note of the voltage slider's position and value to be "1.4500V" (just an example) but you open CPU-z and notice it reports core voltage = 1.125V.

Now let's say you wish to increase the voltage from 1.125V to 1.25V, an increase of +0.125V. Now you understand that to do this you cannot adjust the voltage slider to read "1.25V", the program doesnt work like that. Instead you need to adjust the slider so that it too then reads as being +0.125V higher than its nominal reading: 1.450+0.125=1.575V.

Adjust the slider to 1.575V and the actual core voltage will shift to 1.25V (in this example).

That is how you must approach adjusting the CPU voltage with AI Suite when using the offset method.

 

[Redoitall]

No, he really does mean 1.88V. I know exactly what happened to his setup because I did the exact same thing. Only in my case I inadvertently shoveled something like 2.4V into my 2600K.

OP - the problem is AI Suite and the mislabeling that goes on when you have the voltage method set to "offset" in the BIOS.

The AI Suite program is designed to be used with the voltage method being set to "manual" in the BIOS. That is how all the labels were setup.

Of course you can effectively use AI Suite with the offset-voltage method, but you have to be aware that you cannot read anything into the voltage values that you are setting with AI Suite at that point. You have to think of them as purely relative.

Example, assuming you set the BIOS to "offset" mode, then you boot into windows and load AI Suite, you take note of the voltage slider's position and value to be "1.4500V" (just an example) but you open CPU-z and notice it reports core voltage = 1.125V.

Now let's say you wish to increase the voltage from 1.125V to 1.25V, an increase of +0.125V. Now you understand that to do this you cannot adjust the voltage slider to read "1.25V", the program doesnt work like that. Instead you need to adjust the slider so that it too then reads as being +0.125V higher than its nominal reading: 1.450+0.125=1.575V.

Adjust the slider to 1.575V and the actual core voltage will shift to 1.25V (in this example).

That is how you must approach adjusting the CPU voltage with AI Suite when using the offset method.

That is exactly what is happening , Should I under clock in bios with manual V core settings and run AI Suite without offset.l , to get the rt voltages?

 

[Idontcare]

That is exactly what is happening , Should I under clock in bios with manual V core settings and run AI Suite without offset.l , to get the rt voltages?

Once you know how to make AI Suite do what you need it to do, be it manual voltage or offset voltage, the specific approach you take is entirely a matter of your personal preference. All roads lead to Rome so to speak at that point.

I use offset voltage in the BIOS but I leave it set to stock voltage (1.1V for my 3770K) while setting the clocks to a conservative 4GHz.

That is how I use my computer for the majority of the time. Then when I want to do something particularly CPU intensive, transcoding a move or backtesting a forex algorithm, I pop open AI Suite and enable one of the drop-down profiles for boosted OC'ing to 4.7GHz or so (with the appropriate voltage offset previously determined from stress testing).

This way I maximize my power savings at idle and non-time sensitive stuff, but I retain the option of boosting the OC at my choosing through windows using AI Suite.

The only time I do "manual mode" for CPU voltage control is when I am generating test data for one of my threads in exploring power curves or some such (the science-y projects).

 

[Shmee]

you dont need more then 1.25 Vcore at most for 4.7. I do 4.4 at less than 1.2.

 

[Ferzerp]

you dont need more then 1.25 Vcore at most for 4.7. I do 4.4 at less than 1.2.

hahahahahahaha

Only in golden chip land.

Mine needs ~1.24V for 4.4 and won't even do 4.7 until somewhere in the 1.4V range

 

[Redoitall]

Once you know how to make AI Suite do what you need it to do, be it manual voltage or offset voltage, the specific approach you take is entirely a matter of your personal preference. All roads lead to Rome so to speak at that point.

I use offset voltage in the BIOS but I leave it set to stock voltage (1.1V for my 3770K) while setting the clocks to a conservative 4GHz.

That is how I use my computer for the majority of the time. Then when I want to do something particularly CPU intensive, transcoding a move or backtesting a forex algorithm, I pop open AI Suite and enable one of the drop-down profiles for boosted OC'ing to 4.7GHz or so (with the appropriate voltage offset previously determined from stress testing).

This way I maximize my power savings at idle and non-time sensitive stuff, but I retain the option of boosting the OC at my choosing through windows using AI Suite.

The only time I do "manual mode" for CPU voltage control is when I am generating test data for one of my threads in exploring power curves or some such (the science-y projects).

It sounds, exactly what I wanted to do in the first place I just went crazy with AI suite not knowing how to set it on offset mode but with practice I could actually see how I can get those profiles set on offsett mode to my advantage. Like you said for benchmarks or something extreme that needs exactitude I could go manual, I just have to start with a conservative clock. By the way you and Greysky were very helpfull when you delidded your cpus thanks again very insightfull

 

[Shmee]

hahahahahahaha

Only in golden chip land.

Mine needs ~1.24V for 4.4 and won't even do 4.7 until somewhere in the 1.4V range

Really? I was reading online in the guides when I was doing my OC that these chip generally required and liked less voltage, and that they were quite different from sandy bridge when it came to OV, ie. don't touch voltage much :\