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[Tripleshot]

I can honestly say I do not have a clue about Gores stance on this issue,but this link should give you some insight as to G.W. Shrubs position.

Bush and Guns

Don't bother flamming me. I told you I do not know both sides. I am off to find some answers now.
edit..............................................................

Thats all this has become is a flamefest. You don't care about the truth. You people just use this thread to tout your NRA "you'll pry this gun from my cold dead hands" mantra. We get the point. We now know who you are and your politic.No problem. You know mine.
I don't subscribe to the stupid paranoid notion that "registering your handguns and concealed weapons permits" is somehow the downfall of humanity. It is beyond my abilility to comrehend that people who must use common sense in the computer field can be so vocal and monolithic on this platform. I read all your supporting sources and I fairly anallysed them. It has not altered my position on favoring gun registration,eliminating automatic weapons from anyone but law enforcement and the military for whom the weapons where meant for in the beginning,child safty locks on weapons and making parents criminally liable for the misuse of weapons in there possesion by thier children under the age of accountsbilty. I am strongly in favor of mandatory background checks at retail outlets and gun shows. Gun shows should not be exempt from doing the background checks,and responsible gun owners should have no reason to appose this.


I thought this thread would have died a natural death,but it seems to have taken on a life of its own. :|

 

[Russ]

<< As Governor of Texas, Bush signed the law that allows carrying concealed handguns for the first time in 125 years. >>



For a minute, I thought you'd be linking a negative article.

Russ, NCNE

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Martin Sheen Stars in New Ad Criticizing Bush Record

Since Martin Sheen says so it must be true!

 

[chess9]

Yeah, but I want to carry a concealed tactical thermonuclear weapon. Why not? Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Tripleshot]

Russ,
I dont think it is in a POSITIVE light at all. In fact,it shows he talks out of both sides of his mouth when he says he supports one stance and does nothing about it as Governorof Texas.

Talk about arragonce of power!

The legislation did not have the support of most Texans according to a statewide Mason-Dixon poll (January 13-15, 1995). The results showed that by a 62% to 31% margin, citizens of Texas opposed the legislation to allow Texans to carry concealed handguns.

He still signed it into law. This is a real man for the people.**cough**

 

[etech]

Tripleshot, I'll make you a deal. You quit searching all day for anything you happen to perceive as bad about GW and I won't spend 10 minutes and post all the crap that Gore and Clinton have done that have them in trouble with the Dept. of Justice. Up to you.

 

[Tripleshot]

etech

Go ahead and post. I can take it.

I think there may be some justice action on Shrubs failuer to comply on SEC filings on the insider trading and inflence peddling he and his cronys are implicated in. And his brothers. Good heavens, the Bushes have a slug of skeletons in the closet ,don't they?

 

[Russ]

Let's do a little word substitution:



<< The results showed that by a 62% to 31% margin, citizens of The South opposed the legislation to allow slaves to be freed. >>



Fact is, the people are not always right.

Here's another fact: There is a DIRECT causal relationship between concealed carry laws and a DROP in violent crime. In EVERY SINGLE STATE that has enacted these laws, violent crime has decreased. This cannot be refuted.

There is no logical or factual argument against concealed carry, only fuzzy emotional ones.

Russ, NCNE

 

[etech]

Tripleshot &quot;I think there may be some justice action on&quot;

Sheesh boy, at least make it interesting.

I know Gore is being investigated.

Gore under investigation

Want to keep it up, your &quot;I think&quot; vs. facts?

 

[Tripleshot]

Russ,


<<Fact is, the people are not always right.>>

Fact is, they ARE THE PEOPLE! In this democracy(?) the majority rules. We THE PEOPLE gave up the king and queen B.S. in the days of Paul Revere.


<< The results showed that by a 62% to 31% margin, citizens of The South opposed the legislation to allow slaves to be freed. >>

What the heck is that supposed to mean?



I think you need a vacation

 

[Tripleshot]

etech


Your Gore investigation is a dud. It's a dead issue. Even the GOP gave that one up.

The facts of my assertion have already been posted.Do a search. My retort is this,if Bush wins,IF,--then perhaps some &quot;trial lawyers&quot; may bring up the checkered past of G.W.'s oil deals.


It's pure speculation.

You &quot;conservatives&quot; are well versed in the tactic. Shouldn't be too much of a surprise.

 

[etech]

Tripleshot, get your facts right, the US is not a democracy but a republic, now if the congress of the State of Texas sends a bill to the Governor then a majority of the elected representatives sent the bill to him to sign. Case closed, go take basic U.S politics.

 

[Tripleshot]

etech

If I had said it was a republic,you would have said it was democracy.
You like to argue,just as much as I.

Why would I want to study US poitics? Didn't you know I was a socialist commie? I am on a mission to convert you &quot;conservatives&quot;. You Rush Limburger fans are the most impressionable and easiest for us socialists to brainwash.

I guess what you are really saying is Bush is just a puppet Governor. That he really has no leadership capabilites. OK I think we can accept your premise.

 

[etech]

I really don't like arguing. But I hate to see distorted viewpoints thrown out as facts.

Gore truth
Gore truth
Gore truth
Buddhist nuns and Gore
Clinton-Gore Era Fundraising

edit/ And if Bush had not signed the bill I suppose you would be arguing that he was not following the wishes of the elected representives of the State of Texas. Weak argument on your part.

 

[Russ]

No, Tripleshot, if you had said it was a Republic, he would have agreed with you, because it IS a Republic. He is right, you are wrong. Why not just admit it?

Our system of government was deliberately designed the way it is in an effort to eliminate precisely the emotional response that you display regarding the issues. Whether or not that system has actually worked is open to debate, but that is the foundation.

It was designed so that we would elect respresentatives to look at the FACTS, and make decisions based on LOGIC and ANALYSIS, not feelings and emotions.



<< What the heck is that supposed to mean? >>



You are either possessed of far less intellegince than I assumed, or you're just screwing around. The analogy is a very simple one.

Again, there are ZERO factual arguments against concealed carry. Only reactionary ones. It reduces violent crime in every case that it is implemented. Bush wins this one hands down.

Oh, and I notice you glossed over the fact that Bore used to be a card carrying member of the NRA and has now become a gun-grabber. Just another example of his hypocrisy.

Russ, NCNE

 

[tgillitzr]

<< << The results showed that by a 62% to 31% margin, citizens of The South opposed the legislation to allow slaves to be freed. >>

What the heck is that supposed to mean? >>



Thats suppost to mean that the PEOPLE are not always out for what is best.

Fact is you took that statistic from an ANTI-BUSH site, how do you know its the 100% truth?

 

[etech]

Tripleshot, &quot;Your Gore investigation is a dud. It's a dead issue. Even the GOP gave that one up.&quot;

You really should at least glance at the links posted. The first one was published 13 September 2000.

Here it is again, since you didn't read it the first time.
Gore under investigation 13 Sept 2000


Is Gore the Unabomber? Quiz

 

[MooCow]

Can someone please give me a GOOD reason guns should be taken away from people who obey laws? I don't think I'd vote for Gore simply because he's for gun control..

 

[JellyBaby]

<< It was designed so that we would elect respresentatives to look at the FACTS, and make decisions based on LOGIC and ANALYSIS, not feelings and emotions. >>

Yes and this statement also serves to justify our electoral college system. This system could use some tweaking but there's no doubt the founders had a great idea there and it has served the country well....at least so far.

Tripleshot,

Did you bother to read your own link material?

<< &quot;I made it clear I would sign legislation allowing Texans who are properly licensed and trained to carry handguns.&quot; >>

What are you afraid of? A responsible person with no criminal record would be required to pass certification and licensing requirements in order to carry a concealed weapon. And violent crime stats. do show this is a deterent to foul play as many have already mentioned.

 

[Jumpem]

The anti-gun people pissed me off enough to join the NRA! Now, when am I ever going to get that pistol permit back, so I can go get a new .45ACP H&amp;K?

 

[Tripleshot]

Sorry folks.I have been busy tracking down another fraudelent credit card purchase attempt from my webstore and neglected to come back in a timely manner to get my daily flamming from the right wing conspiritors.

Etech,

Your links are crap in my opinion.You will not convince me with your links to the drudge report and all other right wing rags that I should change my mind about who is the better man for President.
BTW,republicans have used this same bullsh!t tactic to attack there oppenants since Clinton beat Bush in 92. What have you got to show for it?
Nadda. You are bitter and hold on to the thinnest of argumwnts to try and qualify the shrub to fill Clintons shoes. That alchy gets elected,I'll start drinking!


Russ,


<<Oh, and I notice you glossed over the fact that Bore used to be a card carrying member of the NRA and has now become a gun-grabber. Just another example of his hypocrisy.>>

How could I gloss over something I never even brought up? Hell ,I know nothing of Gores gun postion,other than his acceptance of the Brady bill(Legislation enacted as a result of an assisnation attempt on your poster boy,Reagon)

Further,when you get a hard on for someone posting their feelings about a topic without giving FACTS,Its ok for you not to have to produce them ,but not others?

You need to back up your stuff before you flame me. BTW,I thought you saw the emoticons I used in my post. Or do you just ignore them in my case?

<<Again, there are ZERO factual arguments against concealed carry. Only reactionary ones. It reduces violent crime in every case that it is implemented

Sounds like a pageout of the NRA handbook.


Now,for the record.

I am an NRA member. I own guns,I like guns,I fear and respect guns. We have very good laws on concealed weapons in my state,and I will obtain my permit this year as I am now carrying more cash than usual in my job.

I do not believe it takes an AK47 to bring down a deer.I do not support the need for automatic weapons for any person not in uniform to protect my country or my community. I think there are too many guns in the hands of those not responsible to carry them and the crime rates that involve use of a deadly weapon support my point. I think that even though you may own guns and have a membership in NRA,you may very well not be stable enough under the scrutiny of profesional mental health experts to be allowed to posess those guns. I call into question those who make stupid claims that the 2nd amendment guarentees thier RIGHT to hold onto whatever armerment they choose to have. Those are more than likely the same kind of wacko that walked into a Mc Donalds in San Diego and opened fire.


Where are the victims rights,RUSS?

 

[AndrewR]

Ok, you call etech's links &quot;right wing rags&quot; while you link to Handgun Control, Inc.????? At least try not to display as much hypocrisy as Gore and Lieberman do even if it does suit a Democrat these days.


<< I do not support the need for automatic weapons for any person not in uniform to protect my country or my community. >>


Please find a reference somewhere to a situation where a legally owned automatic weapon was used in the commission of a crime. We'll wait.


<< I think that even though you may own guns and have a membership in NRA,you may very well not be stable enough under the scrutiny of profesional mental health experts to be allowed to posess those guns. >>


Sure, I'll trust my rights to someone with a questionable scientific background making opinions about my mental health given their unknown background and biases. Sounds reasonable.

What's next? Limit kitchen knives to only those with a psychologically sound desire to cook?


<< Where are the victims rights,RUSS? >>


Those victims probably could have prevented their injuries/deaths if they were allowed to defend themselves. In particular, women are much more likely to be victimized when guns are outlawed since criminals do not have to fear being shot by their next rape victim. What galls me is the absolute arrogance of people who seek to decide someone else's fate just to make themselves feel good. Focus on the actors, not the tools.

 

[AndrewR]

I missed this snippet the first time through:

<< Fact is, they ARE THE PEOPLE! In this democracy(?) the majority rules. We THE PEOPLE gave up the king and queen B.S. in the days of Paul Revere. >>


Maybe you should go back and reread your American history book. The percentage of colonists in favor of rebellion was about 33%. Another 33% were opposed to rebellion while the remaining 33% were ambivalent.

Kinda puts a big hole in that position, now doesn't it?

 

[Buddha Bart]

Somtimes I wonder if people are just that daft, or if public schools are just that bad.

WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY
and thank god
We live in a system most accuratly described as a representative-republic.

Mob rule is just as fast a path to hell as facism.

bart

 

[etech]

Tripleshot
&quot;Etech,Your links are crap in my opinion.&quot;
This is a debate not a argument, no one gives a crap about your opionion. Get some facts.
&quot;You will not convince me with your links to the drudge report and all other right wing rags that I should change my mind about who is the better man for President.
If you are so closed minded about the facts that even when presented with them you will not change your mind then 1) You are the perfect Democrat and 2) there is no reason to continue this.
&quot; BTW,republicans have used this same bullsh!t tactic to attack there oppenants since Clinton beat Bush in 92. What have you got to show for it? Nadda. You are bitter and hold on to the thinnest of argumwnts to try and qualify the shrub to fill Clintons shoes.&quot;
I would qualify that as another one of your opionions that, well you know what.
&quot; That alchy gets elected,I'll start drinking!&quot;
I'm suprised, by the level of debate you have shown tonight I would of bet that you were already plastered.

What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it... which for the majority translates as 'Bread and Circuses'. Jubal Harshaw in To Sail Beyond the Sunset by Robert Heinlein