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360 as an upconversion DVD player?

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daveymark

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I have an old 360(no hdmi) w/ pioneer 5080 tv. is it worth it to get the VGA cable for upconverting standard def movies? anyone notice a difference?
 
Why the VGA cable?

FWIW, I tried Saving Private Ryan on my 360 with component video and it looked like ass.
 
May as well hijack for a second.
I've read that the 360 is an upconverter for normal DVDs. That being said, it seems as though when I play movies through it, instead of outputting DD5.1, it outputs DPL2. Anyone else got that problem?
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Why the VGA cable?

FWIW, I tried Saving Private Ryan on my 360 with component video and it looked like ass.
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Because the 360 won't upconvert over component. It only upconverts over VGA or HDMI (or HDMI->DVI).
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Why the VGA cable?

FWIW, I tried Saving Private Ryan on my 360 with component video and it looked like ass.
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360 only upconverts DVDs through VGA/HDMI.

I have a 3rd party VGA cable and I prefer to use component over it - just looks better. I haven't tried the "official" VGA cable, though. I'd say stick with component - your TV does a good job with it.

I've read that the 360 is an upconverter for normal DVDs. That being said, it seems as though when I play movies through it, instead of outputting DD5.1, it outputs DPL2. Anyone else got that problem?
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This may be obvious, but there's a setting for changing this in the System blade under audio. If you have that set to 5.1 and it's still only DPL2, then I don't know.
 
Originally posted by: ducci
I've read that the 360 is an upconverter for normal DVDs. That being said, it seems as though when I play movies through it, instead of outputting DD5.1, it outputs DPL2. Anyone else got that problem?
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This may be obvious, but there's a setting for changing this in the System blade under audio. If you have that set to 5.1 and it's still only DPL2, then I don't know.
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Yep, I've checked that. It's set to DD5.1. All my games output to it fine... maybe it was just the DVD I was tryin but it worked fine in my standalone player.
 
As already stated, only upconverts via VGA or HDMI.

At least on my TV, component cuts off edges of the screen, so I've always used VGA. Looks way better IMO than component. And movies look pretty good upscaled, although there have been tests done that show the 360 as a DVD player sucks total balls.
 
there's a big thread over at avsforum where they all sing the praises of VGA. however, the praises are for gaming, no one is mentioning movie watching.

might be time to "upgrade" to a ps3...
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
As already stated, only upconverts via VGA or HDMI.

At least on my TV, component cuts off edges of the screen, so I've always used VGA. Looks way better IMO than component. And movies look pretty good upscaled, although there have been tests done that show the 360 as a DVD player sucks total balls.
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Really? I think the 360 looks and works perfectly fine as a DVD player, upconverted or not (I use VGA as well)...but then I've never had a super-fancy-schmancy DVD player. I certainly looks better than my old Pioneer player did.
 
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
As already stated, only upconverts via VGA or HDMI.

At least on my TV, component cuts off edges of the screen, so I've always used VGA. Looks way better IMO than component. And movies look pretty good upscaled, although there have been tests done that show the 360 as a DVD player sucks total balls.
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Really? I think the 360 looks and works perfectly fine as a DVD player, upconverted or not (I use VGA as well)...but then I've never had a super-fancy-schmancy DVD player. I certainly looks better than my old Pioneer player did.
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I though so too... I have my 360 hooked up via VGA and I used to use it as my primary DVD player. The fact is, the 360 isn't all that great at up-conversion of DVDs. Both my HD-A2 and my new PS3 beat it out. The PS3 upscaling quality is VERY nice.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
My 360 is a TERRIBLE DVD player. Almost unwatchable.
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I agree, we watched one movie, and animated at that (over the hedge) and it looked terrible compared to the fairly cheap LG upscan player I was using at the time. On the other hand, the PS3 is now the designated movie player in the living room.

 
I've never used the Component or VGA connections, but I've been impressed with my 360's ability to upscale standard DVDs over HDMI onto my 1080i 56" Samsung DLP. Fun Fact: For my first co-op in college, I was part of the QA team that was contracted to test the remote/dongle on the original Xbox to give it DVD playback.

The incorrect use of "upscaling" vs. "upconverting" in this thread is mind-numbing.
 
Originally posted by: CKDragon
The incorrect use of "upscaling" vs. "upconverting" in this thread is mind-numbing.
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Please, O Knowledgeable one, inform the rest of us what the difference is. Most people seem to use the terms interchangeably.
 
Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: CKDragon
The incorrect use of "upscaling" vs. "upconverting" in this thread is mind-numbing.
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Please, O Knowledgeable one, inform the rest of us what the difference is. Most people seem to use the terms interchangeably.
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Upconverting refers to the signal. A receiver that upconverts to HDMI will take any composite, S-Video, or component signals and output them via a single HDMI cable to the TV.

Upscaling refers to resolution. 480p -> 720p, 480p -> 1080i are examples of upscaling.

As evidenced by this thread, the terms are SO OFTEN misused outside of places like AVSForum that they are losing the difference in semantic meaning. Just let me continue to think that I'm fighting the good fight and leave me in peace. 😛
 
CKDragon, the two have been interchangable for years. AVS forum is extremely full of misinformation and has been for quite a long time (about 4-5 years once all the people that didn't know what they were talking about showed up).

And when I say years, I'm talking when HD first showed up and we were dealing the external HD scalers.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
CKDragon, the two have been interchangable for years. AVS forum is extremely full of misinformation and has been for quite a long time (about 4-5 years once all the people that didn't know what they were talking about showed up).

And when I say years, I'm talking when HD first showed up and we were dealing the external HD scalers.
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Take my word for it or not, but I'm 100% certain of the original meanings of the words. Obviously, people are choosing to use them interchangeably now. I personally believe it's ignorant to muddy the definition of two distinct words for no reason other than that's what everyone else is doing today. What's the point of having two words, then?

Either way, it's no skin off my teeth and regardless of how uppity my original comment sounded I promise I won't cry about it or think less of anyone for saying upconvert when upscale is intended. 😛

EDIT: And honestly, if people aren't going to believe me (and why would anyone believe unsourced claims on the internet? 😛), then I guess our issue will have to end there. It's not like there was an Audio/Video dictionary published in 1997 that I can reference.
 
update:

I recieved a microsoft VGA cable in the mail today. I hooked it up and did indeed notice a crisper image. so there is definite improvement. Movies look much better!

 
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