350 or 360 core 9800 pro???

[Chocdelight]

I just picked up a 9800 pro which I think I got a good deal for, but I keep hearing all this talk about the 350/360 core. Which one is better and why? The one I got has the 350 core so it made me wonder did I get that great of a deal?

 

[kyparrish]

hmm...

I can only derive the "greatness" of your deal if you tell me how much you paid

 

[kylebisme]

there is no really difference when running with the stock bios, if you had a r360 core you could flash to a 9800xt bios but it really isn't a big deal either way. some might claim that the r360 would give you better overclocks, but i have seen many r350s that clock higher than many r360s so it is really a matter more a matter of luck there than anything.

 

[MidasKnight]

I've had both ( Sapphire's OEM's ). 360 core with Hynix ram. I was getting 425 core / 375 ram <-- ( can't remember exactly but probably close for the ram number ) Very XT performance like with 3Dmark2001 @ 20,000 score and a 03 score at around 6,100 +

The R350 core with Samsung ram didn't even come close. something like 380 core / nothing over on the ram at all. 3DMark2001 @ around 18,000 and 03 score at around 5,300.

That's been my experience with the 9800 Pro's

 

[Chocdelight]

Thanks for the info so far.

 

[Marsumane]

You want to know if you got a good deal? Well try this: ATI 9800p for $167 after tax, shipping, and rebate. It overclocks to 405/357 (up from 380/340). Its the R350 core.

Basically the R350 core is the origonal 9800p core. The R360 core is the 9800XT core. If you get the R360 core, the only advantage is they tend to overclock higher. Some people get better overclocks with the R350, but most get better overclocks with the R360. Archetecturally they are both exactly the same at the same clock speed and offer no benefit for non-overclockers.

 

[Manzelle]

<--- R350 core...441/396...

 

[kparis]

i think the 360 core is better...

we just had a batch of 9800pros built by MSI at work and they have extremely fast ram and are automatically detected as 9800XTs by windows - Then its just a matter of upping the core and ram to 9800XT speeds and voila

EDIT: MSI confirmed that they were build using the R360 core since the R350 will no longer be produced

the only difference is that they are 128MB parts as opposed to the 256MB in the XT

to test we picked a couple of them at random and booted them up, plonked the core and mem up and relax no problems the heatsink on them isnt the cheap-shit ATi stock cooler and is quieter and MUCH bigger, in fact even under load it was warm to the touch only so the owners of these cards probably have some serious overclocking potential...... using stock cooling etc

convenient innit?

 

[Chocdelight]

Thanks again to all for the info.

 

[CraigRT]

I think it's somewhat luck of the draw, I bet some R350 cores clock as high as R360 cores and would probably then run benchmarks easily the same, but I don't know for sure.. either way the performance difference is not huge enough to really matter.. but thats just my .02.

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: kparis

to test we picked a couple of them at random and booted them up, plonked the core and mem up and relax no problems the heatsink on them isnt the cheap-shit ATi stock cooler and is quieter and MUCH bigger, in fact even under load it was warm to the touch only so the owners of these cards probably have some serious overclocking potential...... using stock cooling etc

convenient innit?

No kidding. I received my MSI 9800Pro yesterday and I couldn't believe how heavy the board was because of that heatsink. Looked like something off a Briggs &amp; Stratton tractor engine.

 

[jiffylube1024]

For what I've owned, 'R360' is just hype (but I think my card is messed up).

I had an R350 9800 non-pro with slower 3.3ns Samsung memory. I slapped some RAMsinks on the card and kept the stock cooler and was running smoothly at 430/375.

I sold that card and ran light with a GF4 for awhile, just recently picking up a R360 core 9800 Pro this time.

The card artifacts even 10MHz above stock, same for the memory!

RAMsinks are also installed!

 

[kparis]

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: kparis

to test we picked a couple of them at random and booted them up, plonked the core and mem up and relax no problems the heatsink on them isnt the cheap-shit ATi stock cooler and is quieter and MUCH bigger, in fact even under load it was warm to the touch only so the owners of these cards probably have some serious overclocking potential...... using stock cooling etc

convenient innit?

No kidding. I received my MSI 9800Pro yesterday and I couldn't believe how heavy the board was because of that heatsink. Looked like something off a Briggs &amp; Stratton tractor engine.

lol yeah, any bigger and you can use it to throw at (and kill) someone

 

[zephyrprime]

EDIT: MSI confirmed that they were build using the R360 core since the R350 will no longer be produced

Interesting.

When did production of the R350 core stop?

 

[cw42]

u people forgot that the 360 core has overdrive, and a thermal diode which is handy. (actually i'm not sure about OD, but thermal diode is def handy)

 

[Childs]

Thermal Diode would have been nice on my R350. I was sorta ticked that it didnt have one, so unless I get a diode from something like a fan controller I won't know how hot my card is and whether or not the Silencer is doing an adequate job.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cw42
u people forgot that the 360 core has overdrive, and a thermal diode which is handy. (actually i'm not sure about OD, but thermal diode is def handy)

not the 128mb version . . . just the 256MB version (although there were some 9800xts with 128MB)

the r360 core is slightly more optimized than the r350 but i am not sure you can notice it at stock speeds.

i'd say no big deal either way . . .

you can put a thermal probe next to your core to get an idea of the temps.

artifacting is the best warning for Over o/c'ing . . .

 

[Gurck]

Any way to read temp if you have a pro with the 360 core, but without flashing to XT?

 

[kylebisme]

the thermal diode isn't built into the core anyway, so i don't know that 9800pros with r360 chips nessacarly even have them.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Any way to read temp if you have a pro with the 360 core, but without flashing to XT?

yeah, see the post ABOVE yours

:roll:


even the flash to "XT" won't do anything because there isn't a diode built into (most) 128MB versions . . . OTOH, the 256/256MB 9800pro IS an "XT" after a BIOS flash complete with Overdrive ( i had to add a AC Silencer3 to really use it because of the crappy ATI HS)

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gurck
Any way to read temp if you have a pro with the 360 core, but without flashing to XT?

yeah, see the post ABOVE yours

:roll:

Assumed you were talking about overdrive, but thanks for being so polite

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gurck
Any way to read temp if you have a pro with the 360 core, but without flashing to XT?

yeah, see the post ABOVE yours

:roll:

Assumed you were talking about overdrive, but thanks for being so polite

what kind of response were you looking for? i really can't see what's wrong w/my reply. . . .

maybe i should have left out the emoticon (and the CAPS) . . . here, i'll try again:

"yeah, see the post above yours"



better?

:roll:

and . . . you're welcome

 

[Gurck]

:heart:

 

[Chocdelight]

Thanks again to all for the amount of info on the topic. Have learned alot

 

[Auric]

The MSI looked good assuming selling the bundle but the queer old-style power connector in an odd place, the cheap capacitors and the weird VIA TV encoder are troubling. I think the Sapphire seems the better choice.