32" HDTV ready LCD at Outpost $499

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Kabob

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HD comes in 2 different flavors, 720 and 1080. Not sure what ED's resolution is.
 

Apex

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Originally posted by: mazeroth
Wrong. ED is generally 854x480 (or close to that), and HD is EITHER 720 or 1080. I worked in retail for almost 6 years selling computers and television.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDTV

Originally posted by: mikeford
HD is 1080, ED is 720, SD is 480. Don't confuse compatible inputs with display resolution.

1080i and 1080p have no practical differences with most displays which buffer more than one frame anyway.

HDMI has no quality issues of any kind vs DVI, and both HDMI and DVI can support HDCP, but HDMI eventually will include digital audio. Some HDMI displays will only accept 480/720/1080 inputs which it then rescales to its native resolution, its MUCH better if you can scale in the HTPC and send native to the display. DVI as far as I know always allows native resolution inputs that are not rescaled.

Analog inputs can look very good, but ALWAYS will have some wiggling pixels instead of a direct 1:1 pixel map to the native resolution.

ED is 720 x 480 in a 16:9 format (thus, rectangle pixels). Thus, on fixed pixel square pixel devices, this translates to:

480 x 16 / 9 = ~853, but you need 854 pixels to fully resolve

As you said.
 

Horsep0wer

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Originally posted by: kabob983

Horsepower, you said it DOES have a DVI connection on it?

According to my buddy, yeah it does. He is signing up on this site as we speak(hopefully).

 

Rage187

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Originally posted by: mikeford
HD is 1080, ED is 720, SD is 480. Don't confuse compatible inputs with display resolution.

1080i and 1080p have no practical differences with most displays which buffer more than one frame anyway.

HDMI has no quality issues of any kind vs DVI, and both HDMI and DVI can support HDCP, but HDMI eventually will include digital audio. Some HDMI displays will only accept 480/720/1080 inputs which it then rescales to its native resolution, its MUCH better if you can scale in the HTPC and send native to the display. DVI as far as I know always allows native resolution inputs that are not rescaled.

Analog inputs can look very good, but ALWAYS will have some wiggling pixels instead of a direct 1:1 pixel map to the native resolution.



720P is not ED, where have you been for the last half decade? Heck, FOX boasts that their HD broadcast is the top in the industry and it's 720P.

Your just chalk full of misinformation.
 

toetags

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Hello:

Horsep0wer asked me to stop by and say hello.

I got the lcd tv and I will try and answer the best I can.

?Has he tried it as a PC monitor? I'm looking to game on a larger screen but if it doesn't have a decent refresh rate and good colors then I'm going to have to pass on it.

If you could, have him plug it into his computer and see how games are. That would really help us out.

Thanks!?

I have not had time to play with games too much, but I did load up some games (battlefield 1942, bf2142, mame, and also some nes games) for the most part the 19ms response time you are hearing about is not really causing me any difficulties, such as jagging, tearing or performance drops caused by the tv. However, I will say that its going to take some time to work with the color settings and I really do not have an answer for that yet, as I have only just now started to play with color and gamma, but I think I can work it out.

Default refresh is 60 hz, but the refresh rate is dependant on your resolution, i currently have 1024x768 at 85hz

Oh I almost forgot, it does come with DVI, its not listed in the specs on Emprex.com, but I have it on my tv.

Compatible with HDTV, available for 480p, 720p and 1080i HDTV video signals

Features

Various Audio/Video terminals for external equipment connection

. 1 set of composite A/V terminals

. 1 S-VIDEO terminal

. 1 set of component Video input terminals

. 1 VGA input terminal

. 3 sets of Audio input terminals


panel Size 32"
Aspect Ratio 16:9
Response Time 19ms
Contrast Ratio 800:1
Brightness 500cd/m2
Viewing Angle 170¢X(H/V)
Display Resolution 1366x768

Is correct, but when you get it, it?s the ? D? series and that could be why it does not show the dvi, but it is there.

Next, I do not know a lot about this kind of thing, but every hd channel that I watched on cable says its 1080i and I think that is the max for this tv. As horsepower said, discovery HD and any sporting event I watched was outstanding.

Other features that it has;

PIP POP, Digest (like 14 mini screens)

Bass Treble and balance (by the way you might read about sound issues, I have none, sounds good)

I am sure I am forgetting a lot of stuff, but I would have to say this was worth the purchase as I play games on my gaming rig, play on the game cube, and watch HD tv.

I do not know about the whole ed hd thing, but like I said, I am getting 1080i and if I were to compare some of the things I have seen walking by the HD section of any store, I really see no difference, it all looks good to me. Oh by the way, for you ati users, you can adjust the settings for your card for 780 and 1080 in the HDTV support section. I downloaded a few 1080i Imax things from Microsoft (they have HD for windows media player) and it was really nice and I was actually surprised that Media player 10 could do 1080i playback.

If you have any questions let me know and I will try and answer them the best I can.
 

Kabob

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First off, welcome!

Good info so far. I'm tempted to jump on this...and I wasn't thinking of buying anything even close to this big!
 

toetags

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Yeah i was kind of worried about it. Initially i was not impressed with the cable signal, it was only 480p (hope i got that right0, but i found out it was because my box was not the HD box, only digital. So i got the HD box yesterday and after playing with it for about 20 minutes, i was really impressed with what i saw. You always hear things like, football on HD is unreal. I always thought, yeah right, can not be that different. I was flat out wrong. For those that want this as a TV, i would suggest you call your cable service and make sure it supports HD, but i am sure thatmost who visit this forum already do that kind of thing.

oh yeah i forgot to let everyone know, but when you open the key features section of the manual, it says the following.

2 composite A/V input
1 Composite A/VOutput
2 S-Video
2 Sets of Component Vid input
1VGA/
1 DVI
4 sets of Audio

As you can see, you are actually getting more than whats advertised.
 

Jtruck

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So this set doesnt have an HD Tuner?

Does anyone know how much it would cost to upgrade directv to hd?

So regular cable doesn't look the best? was there a lot of pixelation?




 

Kabob

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Big request toetags. Any chance you can measure the dimensions (width and height)...don't think depth will be a problem) of the entire set (including stand). Wondering just how big the thing is and the dimensions aren't listed anywhere...
 

toetags

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I am looking for the tape measure, but its on that link.

Wall Mount YES YES
Unit Dimension (WxDxH)mm 970x182.5x585 970x182.5x585
Box Dimension (WxDxH)mm 1100x265x585 1100x265x585
NW (kg) ¡@ 21 21
GW (kg) ¡@ 25 25
20' Container load qty with pallet 90 90
40' Container load qty with pallet 180 180


sorry for the double post, a mod can merge this with the above post, sorry about that. very tired today. :)
 

child of wonder

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Screen size is 27.9" by 15.7" approx.

In comparison to a standard 27" TV with 21.6" by 16.2" dimensions.

Unless using this for a computer monitor (which I wouldn't do since it only goes to 1366x768 res -- prefer 1920x1080 LCDs) I'd hold out another year when 37" LCDs start coming down this low. They have a screen of 32.7" by 18.4" and 42" LCDs are 36.6" by 20.6".
 

ViviTheMage

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I hve the 37" of this and its a pretty good monitor! I played some CS/BF2 VIA VGA, and whoever said it had DVI is wrong ,I am pretty sure it stats VGA.
 

toetags

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
whoever said it had DVI is wrong ,I am pretty sure it stats VGA.

I said it has DVI :), because I am typing this Post through the TV we are talking about, it has DVI.

I think a lot of peopel are getting the 3201 confused with the 3201 D. The one that I got was the 3201 D.
 

Greg04

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Originally posted by: Dweekie
Originally posted by: mikeford
Display Resolution 1366x768 is ED, it may accept HD signals, but the image is ED.

HDCP compliance hasn't been pushed back, its the ITC something like that flag, but you still might get stuck having to use an analog connection, but this won't display HD anyway so whats the point?

1366x768 is just about 720p (1280x720), which is HD. EDTV is 480p (720x480). You may want to refresh your knowledge on HD, ED, SD, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv#Standard_resolutions

Though I have never used this term before, I am going to do so now...

"Oh, SNAP!"

 

Kabob

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Oh gosh, don't revert to...(how do I say this without seeming TOO weird...) "Furgieisms" (or however you spell her name...stupid song!)
 

Bekker

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Originally posted by: toetags
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
whoever said it had DVI is wrong ,I am pretty sure it stats VGA.

I said it has DVI :), because I am typing this Post through the TV we are talking about, it has DVI.

I think a lot of peopel are getting the 3201 confused with the 3201 D. The one that I got was the 3201 D.


Yes, I am afraid they are too. The 3201D is the more recent model. I think the one for 499 was the previous model. In my earlier post I linked to the manual for the 3201 which should have the right specs (hopefully). Before buying please check the manual, Specs are at the very end. I would also ask the sales rep which it is. Go to Emprex.com and you can see what models they have. The 3201 does not show up, like it used to. You have to go to support to find it. I am afraid that the two are very different animals, but there might be less difference than I assume.

Now to another subject. I bought a 42" plasma EDTV from WM last Black Fri. Notice to the buyer who posted that he was showing 1080i, etc ... they all do, including EDTV, but with EDTV it will be scaled back to 480p. But, if you got the 3201D I think it was actually at least 720 and maybe 1080I.

As to difference in pic quality ... I have a Dell 17" HDTv LCD that broadcasts 720i or maybe 1080 (doubt it). I finallt gave up on deciding how much difference there was between HDTV and EDTV and hooked the plasma and the LCD up side by side. Standing close, there is a difference. I sit about 10' away and there was no discernable difference. I then sat much closer, within 5' and compared again. The LCD was displaying 720 and the plasma scaled it back to 480p. from that distance, there was absolutely no perceivable difference. When I later had problems with the plasma I returned it and have not replaced it yet. I have found that the brightness, and to a slightly lesser extent contrast, in plasma TV's, is far far more important than whether it is 480p, 720, or 1080i. if you check the plasmas having a brightness of 10,000 compared to the 3.000 of the one I had, the difference will blow you away. But, all are very good and far better than digital or analog.
 

toetags

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Yeah I am not 100%, but what's advertized on fry's appears to be the 3201, and maybe thats what I was supposed to get, but i was sent the 3201 D. I agree, i would ask before making the purchase because I almost wonder if i was shipped the wrong model, but it could be that fry's got some deal on the 3201 D and posted the 3201 info? Idk, but I am pretty happy.

I finally spent some time playing around with the color setting on my card for 3d mode and bf2142 and bf2 run fine. No issues what sop ever. However, i am having some color issues with bf 1942 (it seems too dark, or too bright). I may have to play with that a little more, but the other bf series games are quid pro quo.
 

Bekker

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Originally posted by: toetags
Yeah I am not 100%, but what's advertized on fry's appears to be the 3201, and maybe thats what I was supposed to get, but i was sent the 3201 D. I agree, i would ask before making the purchase because I almost wonder if i was shipped the wrong model, but it could be that fry's got some deal on the 3201 D and posted the 3201 info? Idk, but I am pretty happy.

I finally spent some time playing around with the color setting on my card for 3d mode and bf2142 and bf2 run fine. No issues what sop ever. However, i am having some color issues with bf 1942 (it seems too dark, or too bright). I may have to play with that a little more, but the other bf series games are quid pro quo.

I cannot afford it but if it is the 3201d I would sell enough stuff to buy it anyway!

BTW, I really hate the way Outpost refuses to show warranty info online. Can you please tell us what the warranty is? Thanks


 

Kabob

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Hrm...wish I knew if this was the "D" model or not...would calling a Fry's representative help answer this or would they have no clue?
 

toetags

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hehe I would call, all i can say is that i bolught this thing about 1 week ago and they sent me the 'D'
 

Bekker

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Originally posted by: Jtruck
So this set doesnt have an HD Tuner?

Does anyone know how much it would cost to upgrade directv to hd?

So regular cable doesn't look the best? was there a lot of pixelation?

I did not see thew answers to your questions above (but just browsed the posts) and cannot answer both, but I can tell you according to the specs it does not have a built in tuner. For people in big metro areas with many over the air HDTV broadcasts, this can matter, but for most it is not that big a deal because they will want more programming than local and will have either cable or dish, which both provide HDTV for a fee. I have cable and my extra cost was $15, but that gave me additional channels as well as HDTV. I suspect dish is about the same but do not know.

As to whether the picture is bad, no, it did not have any effect on that. Digital and HDTV are both far better than analog.