BlitzPuppet
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That guy is such a hack, I'll never view him in any positive way after the "server hard drive failed!" incident.
soooo he's a hacker? I don't know a single hacker who hasn't fubared something in the process of hacking...
brianmanahan
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RampantAndroid
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Kaido
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Aikouka
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RampantAndroid
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RAID 5. OK, good. Continue.
Striped in Windows. Wait, what? Why on EARTH when data is critical are you even *thinking* about striping?
Kaido
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For businesses, outside of in-server RAID setups, I pretty much only use Synology gear these days. The level of redundancy you get is awesome for the price. For example, I can setup a 60TB NAS with a slave NAS & backup NAS for $25k. Each NAS can take an SSD for cache, extra RAM, a 10GbE card, has dual PSU's, and can use SHR-2, which is Synology's custom RAID (before any squawks about non-standard RAID setups, this is similar to RAID-60, where you have two drives as failover, but with the added benefits of (1) being expandable similar to ZFS, and (2) being transferable to a replacement or larger unit, so you're not hosed if the controller goes down).
So take that unit, add in a slave unit that acts as a live mirror (basically a full physical hardware RAID-1 unit), then add in a third unit for doing live, automatic incremental backups as a CDP system. Then tie it in however you'd like - iSCSI, LDAP & AD integration, whatever you want. Or you can do smaller units with single power supplies & without live mirrored units or linked backups...I built one last year ('built' aka slid the drives in & clicked some setup buttons, haha) that was 30TB for $3k. Absolutely amazing what you can do these days! $25k may sound like a lot for the setup above, but try pricing out a Dell EqualLogic system with that kind of redundancy, failover, and backup haha!
Lean L
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Well it does provide redundancy even with a striped software array.
It is a weird set up but assuming the only potential issue is one failed drive per hardware array, it works in theory. He was screwed by the motherboard instead of the actual raid setup this time. His raid config didn't exactly make it any easier though.
I think if he figured out a way to do hardware raid 6 across all of those raid cards it would have made more sense. He was going for a raid 6 setup by using software and the compromise was raid 50 since those raid cards can only do 8 SAS ports.
BoberFett
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Kind of late to this thread, but home servers running VMs do seem like they could be a cool future. Everybody gets their own VM, and it can follow them around the house to whatever KVM they're sitting in front of. Go sit at a desk and it's your computer. Go into the living room and flip on the TV, it's still your computer. View it on a tablet and take it out on the deck. It's always your interface, your files, your preferred utilities, your customizations.
There are certainly other ways to accomplish something similar, such as making your phone the computer and having it link wirelessly to whatever KVM you're at. But it's nice to have options. I hope to see this kind of thing filter down into the affordable consumer space someday.
There are certainly other ways to accomplish something similar, such as making your phone the computer and having it link wirelessly to whatever KVM you're at. But it's nice to have options. I hope to see this kind of thing filter down into the affordable consumer space someday.
BlitzPuppet
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He was running RAID 5+0 with 24 (if I remember correctly) SSDs on a production server with NO BACKUPS.
DUB TEE EFF.
/rantOff.
Impressive setup on the OP, but since it's from Linus...meh.
Aikouka
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Wasn't their back-up/archive server just not ready yet? I think it's actually up now.
Anyway, if I were to complain about anything, I'd say that some of their content is the biggest problem. I don't think this is just something that they're doing, but something that's more common among YouTube content in general. Essentially, I find that their reviews tend to be too lacking. I recall them reviewing some Logitech headsets, and there was absolutely nothing about how they sound. Sure, that's going to be a bit subjective, but there are aspects that you can talk about (e.g. focus on bass, highs, etc.). It felt more like a Quick/First Look rather than an actual review.
One of their recent videos kind of bugged me too (it's currently only on Vessel as of writing, but it should be out tomorrow or Sunday). It's entitled, "Quadruple Your Network Speed for $100 with SMB 3.0 Multichannel". Not to spoil the video, but they tried to get this to work with their own hardware and failed. This other guy got it to work, and they had to bring in his system and then do massive modifications to even get that to work well enough to be indicative of 4x Gig-E (i.e. about 440MB/s). So, if this is supposed to be an informational video about how a viewer can do this, all they've learned is that it doesn't work for beans! D:
It actually died during that back-up process. Only around 10% of it was backed up when it crashed.
RampantAndroid
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From what I gather, they were running without backups for a while, and finally decided to go do a backup finally. Why does a server need RAID0? It's a bloody server. With SSDs. You should have stupid fast reads and writes already. If anything, the controller would be the limit I'd think.
Hell, I'd stick with 3 RAID 5 arrays and not band them together - just make them each a separate volume or something...
BlitzPuppet
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Normal people would just stick with RAID 5, lol. Thinking about running a production server with 24 of them in an essentially striped setup, all the while with no backup in place and current, makes me queasy.
I'm sure he almost crapped his pants multiple times during this ordeal.
Lean L
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Or just software jbod them together.
Im not sure if he actually needed the speed or if he just wanted to see how much speed he could get. Theres videos of his company trying to max out 10gb ethernet for kicks and giggles. (Although he claims the speed is needed)
All in all, if he is on the technological frontier, and pushes the boundaries just for fun, I am fine with it. We need people to push for more even when there is no need at the time. People like him will never say that 640k is enough for everyone.
So ultimately, the screw up was huge but now this video will be the poster child for not using raid 50 in production environments. Think about all the undocumented cases of data loss that this potentially prevented.
Zodiark1593
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If the speed was, in fact, being fully utilized, I'd say RAID 50 suits this purpose well enough while providing some resistance to downtime against the most common failures. However, as any viewers have witnessed, a RAID card failure (this time caused by mobo) will kill the entire array, necessitating some hours for a rebuild (depending on company, may be a mere inconvienience), provided you've backed up of course.
That said, their biggest error here is not having a backup solution running.
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