3000+ Barton running HOT

[stinkynathan]

First post / First build here.

here's the gear:
3000+ Barton
A7N8X-X
Speeze WhisperRock cooler
Antec SLK3700AMB case
gig of Corsair RAM
single 40 gig WD hard drive
single Sony DVD burner

I've had this build running for a couple weeks now with no freezing issues. I've mounted the cooler on the CPU a few times. First time with the paste on the WhisperRock, 2 more times with Arctic Silver. Arctic Silver was applied as per the recommendations on their website. I'm still getting temperatures that seem to be quite a bit higher than what I've read they should be (idle (right now): 37C case, 51C Socket, 67C Diode). As soon as I put a load on the CPU the temperature skyrockets and I stop Seti@home.

I'd really like to get back into Seti and doin other processor intensive things here but I'm kind of afraid to put a load on this thing for more than 5 minutes.

suggestions/comments are definately welcome

nate

PS - or am i just a crazy newb?

 

[LifeStealer]

Are you sure the sink is sitting down on the proc? Also might want to checkup on a bios update in case its just a goofy diode.

 

[stinkynathan]

i'll check into it once i get done with the homework for the night.

could be an all nighter

later,
nate

 

[CraigRT]

I used to get readings like that all the time from my NForce2 board... when i KNEW the CPU was not running that hot... I wouldn't sweat it too much if the HSF is actually mounted properly, and the computer runs fine.

 

[imported_Kiwi]

I bought a Speeze/ Spires Whisper Rock HSF for an XP 2800 build-up, but before opening the package, I saw how comparatively low it ranked in the testing ratings at Frosty Tech, and chose to buy and use a Vantec Aeroflow instead. I may use the Whisper Rock for a less powerful Socket A cpu later, or just sell it for whatever I can get, if/when I decide I won't be going back to anything that slow.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Your ambient temps are WAY too hot. My case is 29' C just to give you an idea, fix the work-area, and that will yield some nice results.

 

[LifeStealer]

I think the diode is faulty.

 

[drewdogg808]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
Your ambient temps are WAY too hot. My case is 29' C just to give you an idea, fix the work-area, and that will yield some nice results.

if you drop your case temps from 37 to 27-29, you should see a similar drop in cpu temps.

 

[stinkynathan]

UPDATE TIME

After a quick , sleep-deprived trip to BK this morning, I finally got the BIOS flashed. No dice. Remounted the cooler when I got back from work tonight and YAHTZEE it was running at right around 52C under 100% load (still not the best, I realize). Then my buddy wanted to know what I would Ubench at, and I realized the FSB setting wasn't saved in the BIOS when I reflashed. Reset it, and I'm again idling at: 36C case, 50C socket, and 64C diode.

I'm prepared to order two 120mm fans and a new CPU cooler tomorrow if need be. I just don't think my single stock Antec 120mm fan is going to cut it for this thing. I just need some suggestions. Not too sure on what I'd like to spend. Don't know that I'll ever do much of an OC on it either. Maybe a little, but not extreme.....

thanks for the help,
nate

 

[stinkynathan]

aaah yes, i forgot...

Saphire Radeon 9000 Pro tucked away in the case also. i can't see that old dinosaur adding too much for heat though......

 

[LifeStealer]

Is the case sitting next to a furnace or inside a peice of furniture or something? Can't believe it would run that hot...

 

[stinkynathan]

Originally posted by: LifeStealer
Is the case sitting next to a furnace or inside a peice of furniture or something? Can't believe it would run that hot...

hmmm, nope. I've got it sitting under my desk with about a foot of clearance behind it and two feet between it and our servers in front.

just realized about 15 minutes ago that my rear fan was set as an intake so I flipped around to see what would happen. Idling now at [30C case, 43C socket, 51C diode].. Started up Seti@home and the diode temp. still skyrockets to 70, then I stop it.

Think I should replace the stock 120mm fan and add another to the front and get a new CPU cooler?

later,
nate

 

[Cheetah8799]

36C for ambient isn't so bad. I think your temps of 52C load now that you re-seated the heatsink are sounding fine. My ambient in my home office is about 32C because I don't have any AC in there...

I have an Antec Super Lanboy that I just upgraded to. The Antec 120mm fans that came with it were total cr@p. Hardly any airflow. If you upgrade, be prepared for more noise as well. You may want something like a Vantec Nexus to control the fan speed when you aren't gaming or something. Just to help with the noise.

 

[stinkynathan]

Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
36C for ambient isn't so bad. I think your temps of 52C load now that you re-seated the heatsink are sounding fine. My ambient in my home office is about 32C because I don't have any AC in there...

I have an Antec Super Lanboy that I just upgraded to. The Antec 120mm fans that came with it were total cr@p. Hardly any airflow. If you upgrade, be prepared for more noise as well. You may want something like a Vantec Nexus to control the fan speed when you aren't gaming or something. Just to help with the noise.

just to clarify. thats 52C idle, and somewhere in the 70s under load

 

[drewdogg808]

Originally posted by: stinkynathan

Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
36C for ambient isn't so bad. I think your temps of 52C load now that you re-seated the heatsink are sounding fine. My ambient in my home office is about 32C because I don't have any AC in there...

I have an Antec Super Lanboy that I just upgraded to. The Antec 120mm fans that came with it were total cr@p. Hardly any airflow. If you upgrade, be prepared for more noise as well. You may want something like a Vantec Nexus to control the fan speed when you aren't gaming or something. Just to help with the noise.

just to clarify. thats 52C idle, and somewhere in the 70s under load

after you switched the rear exhaust to the right direction, you dropped to 30 case and 43 idle, right?

does it still go to 70s under load now that the idle is almost 10 degrees less (from 52 down to 43)?

edit: doesn't the antec case have the rear fan as exhaust instead of intake by default?

 

[stinkynathan]

yes. i had switched things around previously and forgot about it.

it definately shoots up to ~70 under 100% load.

EDIT: idling at 27C case, 47C socket, 60C diode right now. been at class for the last 5 hours, so its seen zero use.

will be ordering fans and a cooler tonight when i get back from work.

recommendations?

later,
nate

 

[LifeStealer]

If you don't mind noise you can get a Vantec Tornado, wich is a rebranded Sunon who also rebrands these:

http://coolergarage.com/80mmtornadofan.html

It pumps out some air. If it doesn't cool you off, nothing will.

 

[ToeJam13]

I have a Barton/3200+ and it runs VERY hot. It is the nature of the beast - Barton cores expell large amounts of thermal energy.

I am using a Silverado from Noise Control, an alluminum heatsink mounted with two radial fans and a silver base. Its had fairly good reviews from those other review sites, so I know I've got some good hardware on top of my processor.

With an ambient temperature of 31C, I typically idle around 58C-61C and often push around 67C-68C at 100% load. I have a copper shim, silver thermal paste and have verified that I have good contact. No diff. I often come just under 70C.

I might suggest Thermalright's SLK-900U heatsink. It accepts a 92cm fan which should help with the heat flow. I also suggest Coolmax's CR-400 power supply. Its the only one on the market that uses a 140mm fan for maximum airflow.

 

[winr]

I have WhisperRock on an XP 2200+ and it idles around 41c to 43 c.

It would probably cool better with a higher CFM fan but the returns would be diminishing.

 

[stinkynathan]

ordered 2 120mm fans, a tornado for the whisperrock, and a couple round IDE cables yesterday. i shall report back when they get here

nate

 

[prometheusxls]

Strinky Nate,

The best way is to put a thermocouple on the CPU die itself. This is inclused in most multifunction Fan controler / temp probes. many cost $25 or so. .

Nearly all motherboards have terribly out of whack CPU temp gauges. Sometimes different BIOSes can cause changes upto 10C for no reason, (its a reporting error). You can compensate for this by calibrating your CPU Diode. SilentPCReview has instructions on how. This won't necessarily give you the best temperture reading, but it will give you a better idea.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article191-page1.html

 

[LifeStealer]

ALL diodes fall within the +/- 5c. Some are just worse.