I agree, anyone buying now should go for a Radeon 8500LE. But a few months ago I picked up the 9000's for $67 apiece shipped, when Radeon LE's were still about $100. One thing in the 9000's favor, it does have just a slight edge in 2D over the 8500 series. However, I can't agree that the 7500 is about the same speed. Alot of games simply play faster framerates because they do have DirectX 8 hardware, software rendering works, but slows things down. And also remember there are a few benchmarks were the Radeon 9000 Pro actually beats a Radeon 8500 retail because it does a few things differently. I think most peoples' attitude is to campare the 8500 and 9000 akin to the GF4 Ti and GF4 MX solutions. There is a much bigger performance difference between the Geforces then between the Radeons.
DIGIT LIFE: A P4 2.2ghz and Rambus can only manage 32-34FPS at 1024x768 on Rad9000 and that's without AA or AF on in both UT2003 and Commanche4. 60FPS is what most people consider to be playable.
Now bearing in mind a Rad8500LE is a good 15% faster than the Rad9000PRO which in turn is 20% faster than the Rad9000 ...
I am sure that was at stock speed, the three Saphire 9000's I have hit at least 290/240, quite a boost from the 250/200 default. The 9000 can play UT2003 smoothly at 1280x 1024 x 32, 16-tap, no FSAA, while no speed demon, that's still pretty good performance in my book. I'd like to see the 7500 do that, has anyone given it a try? According to those calculation an 8500LE is 35% faster when both are at stock speeds. So an improvement on 32-34fps would then be 43-46fps. That still doesn't hit the magic 60fps you think most people consider playable. Did DIGIT LIFE throw the 7500 benchmarks in there? I don't have a 7500 here to test, but I gotta insist that the 9000 has a definate performance advantage over the 7500. Someone out there prove me wrong
Some in house, hands on testing will be the proof in the pudding, not just some rehashed, tired, and biased reviews. I have gotten cynical and burned out on commercial reviews, I put much more stock in a forum member out there cranking out the games themselves and giving us the heads up here. I like Radeons, I like Geforces, bang for the buck is what gets it for me.
DIGIT LIFE: A P4 2.2ghz and Rambus can only manage 32-34FPS at 1024x768 on Rad9000 and that's without AA or AF on in both UT2003 and Commanche4. 60FPS is what most people consider to be playable.
Now bearing in mind a Rad8500LE is a good 15% faster than the Rad9000PRO which in turn is 20% faster than the Rad9000 ...
I am sure that was at stock speed, the three Saphire 9000's I have hit at least 290/240, quite a boost from the 250/200 default. The 9000 can play UT2003 smoothly at 1280x 1024 x 32, 16-tap, no FSAA, while no speed demon, that's still pretty good performance in my book. I'd like to see the 7500 do that, has anyone given it a try? According to those calculation an 8500LE is 35% faster when both are at stock speeds. So an improvement on 32-34fps would then be 43-46fps. That still doesn't hit the magic 60fps you think most people consider playable. Did DIGIT LIFE throw the 7500 benchmarks in there? I don't have a 7500 here to test, but I gotta insist that the 9000 has a definate performance advantage over the 7500. Someone out there prove me wrong
Some in house, hands on testing will be the proof in the pudding, not just some rehashed, tired, and biased reviews. I have gotten cynical and burned out on commercial reviews, I put much more stock in a forum member out there cranking out the games themselves and giving us the heads up here. I like Radeons, I like Geforces, bang for the buck is what gets it for me.