30 gig Ipod vs Zen Sleek vs iRiver H10

[xSkyDrAx]

So 1 month after I got my shuffle replaced at an apple store, it craps out on me again. I've decided that I've had enough of it and I don't wanna deal with getting it replaced again even though it's still under warrenty..sorta(long story). I haven't had much experience with other flash based players but I'm assuming that they're also prone to having data easily corrupted and then not being able to be recognized by any computer. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

I decided that I should get a hard drive based player since I'm assuming it's less prone to that type of data corruption. (correct me if I'm wrong, I really don't know) I know that it's probably easier to format a hard drive than a flash drive. This is really the reason why I think I should get a hd player cause I dont mind if it craps out every now and then as long as I can fix it in a reasonable amount of time myself. Meaning I don't have to take it to a store and the only way to get it working again is by getting it replaced (this is my TOP concern). So basically I've narrowed it down to the 30 gig Ipod, the Creative Zen Sleek, or the iRiver H10. I like the styling of the Ipod and it seems to be a great music player and I think there's a slight discount on them at my school which is making me lean towards getting one.

So I guess the 3 main questions here are :

1. Are all flash based players prone to unfixable data corruption like the shuffle?
2. Are harddrive based players immune to such problems as the one above?
3. Of the 3 which would be a good choice?

personal experiences are welcomed.

 

[dartworth]

what are you going to do with the shuffle?

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Originally posted by: dartworth
what are you going to do with the shuffle?

No clue yet. It doesn't work and there's more hassle in getting it exchanged that I want to go through with. Might just trash it or keep it around for kicks.

 

[Mo0o]

Ipod:
Video support
smallest form
Best accessory support

 

[CowZ]

First post yah!


Anywho... I've had experience w/ an iriver small flash player. I've had issues where some of the songs are corrupted while some of it also worked. I wasn't sure what was wrong with it so i just kinda played it off as a minor issue. Then not long after i got an Ipod 30gig for my bday and im pretty happy w/ it. I've had 1 issue where the player froze on my gf while watching a scrubs episode. But after i forced reset, its been perfect ever since. So its been alittle over 2 months now that its fine. The harddrive based players shouldn't have problem having corrupt files as it requires no converting (for the most part) while some flash players such as the iriver sometimes ask u to convert to .wmv from an mp3 which could pose an issue. Im not exactly tech savve like that so i can't tell if its a big issue or not. As for the ipod, i've been really happy with it. the usual problem is ofcourse the stupid face is ultra prone to scratches. (In regards to that issue, i highly recommend shieldzone's clear covering. its lifetime warranty and its seriously durable as hell. The downfall is how expensive it is as opposed to a pack of 10 you can buy for 5 bucks). My roommate has the iriver h10 and he seems pretty happy with it. Though I kinda like the click wheel of the ipod better than the design of the h10. All preference I guess.

Yah im pretty sure I did not answer your questions as clear as you'd like, but thats just my 2 cents. Good luck shoppin.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Are the 30 gig ipods the same as the ipod videos? I want the one w/o video support given that they have any. I don't plan to watch videos on it. Hell I was getting along fine with 1 gig of space so 30 is way over kill but they don't exactly have a smaller one. The only reason that I am opting for it is that I am hoping it doesnt have the same problems as the flash one.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
Are the 30 gig ipods the same as the ipod videos? I want the one w/o video support given that they have any. I don't plan to watch videos on it. Hell I was getting along fine with 1 gig of space so 30 is way over kill but they don't exactly have a smaller one. The only reason that I am opting for it is that I am hoping it doesnt have the same problems as the flash one.

All ipods now have video. if you want small then go w/ the 5gb H10

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
Are the 30 gig ipods the same as the ipod videos? I want the one w/o video support given that they have any. I don't plan to watch videos on it. Hell I was getting along fine with 1 gig of space so 30 is way over kill but they don't exactly have a smaller one. The only reason that I am opting for it is that I am hoping it doesnt have the same problems as the flash one.

30 gig ipods for 5th generation = ipod video... Maybe there's a 20 GB photo still....

But anyhow, there was a Toshiba 20 gig mp3 player at fry's that was on clearance for $76... Don't know if they still are there...

Yes slickdeals pwns in hot deals .

 

[antyler]

Go with the Ipod. I have one and its great. As for the other brands of mp3 players like Zen and iRiver and such, i always read that they have unpleasant controls.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
Are the 30 gig ipods the same as the ipod videos? I want the one w/o video support given that they have any. I don't plan to watch videos on it. Hell I was getting along fine with 1 gig of space so 30 is way over kill but they don't exactly have a smaller one. The only reason that I am opting for it is that I am hoping it doesnt have the same problems as the flash one.

All ipods now have video. if you want small then go w/ the 5gb H10

Do you happen to know the price of the 5gb H10?

 

[xSkyDrAx]

And does anyone know of any major problems with the ipods that could only be fixed through replacement?

(physically breaking it somehow doesn't count)

 

[antyler]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
And does anyone know of any major problems with the ipods that could only be fixed through replacement?

(physically breaking it somehow doesn't count)

I think they had one series of the ipod mini or something that was recalled for the screens being jacked. Other than that, they are rather reliable. Ive seen the batteries mess up on them. I believe that the batteries having problems is the biggest thing to worry about.

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
And does anyone know of any major problems with the ipods that could only be fixed through replacement?

(physically breaking it somehow doesn't count)

Uhh yeah. If you can't reset your ipod if it freezes. You're fvked. Nuff said. Non-user replaceable battery.

Creative has a nice reset button though... on the zen vision m that I own .

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
And does anyone know of any major problems with the ipods that could only be fixed through replacement?

(physically breaking it somehow doesn't count)

Uhh yeah. If you can't reset your ipod if it freezes. You're fvked. Nuff said. Non-user replaceable battery.

Creative has a nice reset button though... on the zen vision m that I own .

I've had a friend that had her ipod freeze. Her solution was to let the battery drain and charge it up again. Worked for her so that's not so much of a major concern for me because it's user fixable. The battery problem is not that major in my book either cause usually happens after a good amount of time (1-3 years+) so that's fine with me.

I just don't want it like data corrupted and the recover program from apple cant fix it or let alone interact with it because that's what happened to my shuffle.

 

[ForumMaster]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
And does anyone know of any major problems with the ipods that could only be fixed through replacement?

(physically breaking it somehow doesn't count)

Uhh yeah. If you can't reset your ipod if it freezes. You're fvked. Nuff said. Non-user replaceable battery.

Creative has a nice reset button though... on the zen vision m that I own

wtf are you talking about? if your ipod freezes, you simply hold the menu+select button for 6 seconds and it resets. so there is no 'user replaceable' battery. true. but you don't need the very often.

 

[Ricemarine]

Meep double posted. +1 to post :laugh:

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
And does anyone know of any major problems with the ipods that could only be fixed through replacement?

(physically breaking it somehow doesn't count)

Uhh yeah. If you can't reset your ipod if it freezes. You're fvked. Nuff said. Non-user replaceable battery.

Creative has a nice reset button though... on the zen vision m that I own

wtf are you talking about? if your ipod freezes, you simply hold the menu+select button for 6 seconds and it resets. so there is no 'user replaceable' battery. true. but you don't need the very often.

Yeah I think you got pwned.

I've had a friend that had her ipod freeze. Her solution was to let the battery drain and charge it up again. Worked for her so that's not so much of a major concern for me because it's user fixable. The battery problem is not that major in my book either cause usually happens after a good amount of time (1-3 years+) so that's fine with me.

I just don't want it like data corrupted and the recover program from apple cant fix it or let alone interact with it because that's what happened to my shuffle.

Well, um... If you don't safely disconnect your ipod you can have data corruption (happened to me a few times). So always click that eject button! ...

That's a con on hdd players vs flash drives.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Well, um... If you don't safely disconnect your ipod you can have data corruption (happened to me a few times). So always click that eject button! ...

That's a con on hdd players vs flash drives.

If the data is corrupted, the player is still format-able though right? I'm fine with it as long as I can recover the player itself. When the data became corrupt on my shuffle, the player itself was no longer recoverable and thus had to be returned.

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Well, um... If you don't safely disconnect your ipod you can have data corruption (happened to me a few times). So always click that eject button! ...

That's a con on hdd players vs flash drives.

If the data is corrupted, the player is still format-able though right? I'm fine with it as long as I can recover the player itself. When the data became corrupt on my shuffle, the player itself was no longer recoverable and thus had to be returned.

Yeah the player is still reformat-able... So uh. sure .

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Well, um... If you don't safely disconnect your ipod you can have data corruption (happened to me a few times). So always click that eject button! ...

That's a con on hdd players vs flash drives.

If the data is corrupted, the player is still format-able though right? I'm fine with it as long as I can recover the player itself. When the data became corrupt on my shuffle, the player itself was no longer recoverable and thus had to be returned.

Yeah the player is still reformat-able... So uh. sure .

Do you ever take your mp3 player with you when you work out, say jogging or something rigorous? How does it hold up?

 

[Ricemarine]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx

Originally posted by: Ricemarine

Well, um... If you don't safely disconnect your ipod you can have data corruption (happened to me a few times). So always click that eject button! ...

That's a con on hdd players vs flash drives.

If the data is corrupted, the player is still format-able though right? I'm fine with it as long as I can recover the player itself. When the data became corrupt on my shuffle, the player itself was no longer recoverable and thus had to be returned.

Yeah the player is still reformat-able... So uh. sure .

Do you ever take your mp3 player with you when you work out, say jogging or something rigorous? How does it hold up?

With anti shock for hard drives no skipping whatsoever... I play tennis with it . It held up nice (for the ipod... I bought the agent 18 case for it so yeh lol). Just REALLY try to avoid dropping the ipod on a hard surface (I did it a few times... At least it held up thankfully.).

 

[CVSiN]

none of the above..
Creative Zen Video M is the new top dog on the block..

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
Are the 30 gig ipods the same as the ipod videos? I want the one w/o video support given that they have any. I don't plan to watch videos on it. Hell I was getting along fine with 1 gig of space so 30 is way over kill but they don't exactly have a smaller one. The only reason that I am opting for it is that I am hoping it doesnt have the same problems as the flash one.

All ipods now have video. if you want small then go w/ the 5gb H10

Do you happen to know the price of the 5gb H10?

the refurbs on the iriver website is $129. Not bad. ANyways, the Ipod and the Iriver h10 use very similair chipsets (if they are not the same)....