30 gb mp3 player - pjb 100
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how do you compare it to the Archos 6GB Recorder? How are the firmware updates? Drivers? Does it require special software to transfer mp3's? What about Battery Life/Type....
its got a lot of support at a forum on yahoogroups. theres games with the firmware, which is redone in spirts. everyone that uses the pjb 100, and another playere always goes back to the pjb. 12 hr battery life, and is a propriatary (spelling?) Li-Ion. its all on the website i gave. i sold my 6.4 gb to get a 20 backlit one. i drool over it some times (well not really, but you get it, lol)
Or, get the 40-gig Neo Portable Jukebox from www.funmp3players.com (can't vouch for the dealer) for $579, Or get the Roopaq ($122) or MStation ($169) from Compgeeks, and drop a 30-gig IBM drive from newegg ($146), or a *48* gig drive for $350.
Low end, that would get you a 30-gig player for $122 + $146 = $268 + shipping. It would get you a high-end 48-gig player for $169 + $350 = $519 + shipping.
Personally, I have the Roopaq, and like it, despite it's many quirks. I'd probably recommend the MStation instead.
But the PJB-100 *IS* a more polished player than the ones I've listed here. It probably has instructions written in English too, unlike the Roopaq <grin>
Low end, that would get you a 30-gig player for $122 + $146 = $268 + shipping. It would get you a high-end 48-gig player for $169 + $350 = $519 + shipping.
Personally, I have the Roopaq, and like it, despite it's many quirks. I'd probably recommend the MStation instead.
But the PJB-100 *IS* a more polished player than the ones I've listed here. It probably has instructions written in English too, unlike the Roopaq <grin>
<< cant you hack nomad jukeboxes to take like 20-30 gig HDs? >>
Yup - haven't done it, but it sounds reasonably simple.
Nomad Jukebox Upgrade
I wouldn't order a HD from this website though - I've heard bad things about them...
Pretty cool. I just use my VAIO PCG-SR33 laptop as my 10GB mp3 player(although it's $1000). Super portable(2.98 pounds, .9" thick) and 5-6 hours playback w/ LCD off. Just my 12 cents.
hay there are many other cheap ones, but from what ive seen and used, the pjb is the way to go. and if you have ever used the nomad, you can understand that the pjb's 3 sec startup is a wonderful thing. dont know about the roopaq. is there a link for that. sounds interesting. o, and the pjb is upgradeable, like you could buy a 6.4 gig, and get a nice 40gb drive.
though if you need 40gb of storage on an mp3 player, i think you got problems.
though if you need 40gb of storage on an mp3 player, i think you got problems.
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<< cant you hack nomad jukeboxes to take like 20-30 gig HDs? >>
Yup - haven't done it, but it sounds reasonably simple.
Nomad Jukebox Upgrade
I wouldn't order a HD from this website though - I've heard bad things about them... >>
This website is totally trusted and a valued member of the NJB / DAP community.
To take a look at the community surrounding the NJB -> www.nomadness.net
Or you can buy this from Compgeeks w/o the hard drive and buy any size hard drive (laptop HD).
Edit: whoops, compgeeks sells a different brand and completely different model.
Edit: whoops, compgeeks sells a different brand and completely different model.
<< hay there are many other cheap ones, but from what ive seen and used, the pjb is the way to go. and if you have ever used the nomad, you can understand that the pjb's 3 sec startup is a wonderful thing. dont know about the roopaq. is there a link for that. sounds interesting. o, and the pjb is upgradeable, like you could buy a 6.4 gig, and get a nice 40gb drive.
though if you need 40gb of storage on an mp3 player, i think you got problems. >>
The Roopaq is available at compgeeks - it's basically the SSI-America 'Neo 25' rebadged. It's definetely a 'cheap' feel - the buttons are slightly out of alignment, etc., but it works just fine, has a wireless remote, and can handle a 12.5mm hard drive - something a lot of the other models can't. Battery life is terrible on it though (only 2 or 3 hours I think), but I just leave mine plugged in at work, playing MP3's all day long... It has a 3 to 5 second startup on it as well - it doesn't bother with file 'indexing' like the Archos or Creative units.
It's definetely a 'geek-special' though - not something I'd give to a non-technical person to play with, and it is not firmware upgradable to play anything but MP3's - it's a chip based decoder, so it can't be upgraded...
I did hear the M Station on compgeeks eats batteries BADLY... While a nice NiMH 1800 would help (I dont even know if it takes AA's or is a built-in LI-on. The Archos is probably the way to go, but the $169 deal "found on this forum" is LONG GONE!! I like that the PJB connects to your home stereo but i dont think it records to it like that. The Archos RECORDER does just that from what i read. I like the fact that I can keep my Hard Drive clean and just use the Jukebox to play MP3's... saves a step ripping to my PC then copying to the Jukebox. Im going to look at the PJB and see what it does. But I really want the 6GB Archos Recorder. $269 at Amazon. Out of Stock though....
Did the Archos recorder fix the battery charge problem that the original 6-gig Archos had ? I had one, and you couldn't leave it plugged in all the time - the battery charge circuitry wasn't smart enough to ever stop charging the batteries, so eventually they would explode, start on fire, etc. Hopefully Archos fixed that in newer models - that was the main reason I sold it. Oh - that and the fact that it won't jump from one folder to the next when it finished playing songs in a directory...
The M-Station has a rechargable battery pack, but I'm sure it is a pig, just like my Roopaq. PJB is probably the best in that area, or maybe the new 'Classic' MP3 player from Circuit City...
The M-Station has a rechargable battery pack, but I'm sure it is a pig, just like my Roopaq. PJB is probably the best in that area, or maybe the new 'Classic' MP3 player from Circuit City...
OK...someone explain this to me....
The point of having an MP3-type player is so that you can store hours of music, and not have to mess around with switching CDs, etc, right? Well, before you go out and buy this billion gigabyte (or whatever) MP3 player, just think about the fact that even though you have 3 weeks worth of music, you have to switch the batteries every 6-7 hours or however long they last. Well, doesn't that defeat the purpose? You may not have to switch CDs, but you're still going to have to stop what you're doing and switch the batteries! At that point you might as well switch a CD, too! I'm sorry for babbling, but my point is (IMHO), DON'T waste your money on some 30gb MP3 player...either buy a 6GB or an MP3-CD player! Why waste money?! Maybe there's another, different reason to get one with so much storage...if there is, please someone let me know.
I have an Rio Mp3-CD player, and even though it "only" holds about 9-10 hours of music, I STILL find myself switching the batteries a while before I find myself switching the CD. The need for more than 700mb of music at one time is beyond me. Just carry 3 CDs with you, there's a reason they are called "compact" discs!
Well, thanks for reading my BS for those of you who did.
The point of having an MP3-type player is so that you can store hours of music, and not have to mess around with switching CDs, etc, right? Well, before you go out and buy this billion gigabyte (or whatever) MP3 player, just think about the fact that even though you have 3 weeks worth of music, you have to switch the batteries every 6-7 hours or however long they last. Well, doesn't that defeat the purpose? You may not have to switch CDs, but you're still going to have to stop what you're doing and switch the batteries! At that point you might as well switch a CD, too! I'm sorry for babbling, but my point is (IMHO), DON'T waste your money on some 30gb MP3 player...either buy a 6GB or an MP3-CD player! Why waste money?! Maybe there's another, different reason to get one with so much storage...if there is, please someone let me know.
I have an Rio Mp3-CD player, and even though it "only" holds about 9-10 hours of music, I STILL find myself switching the batteries a while before I find myself switching the CD. The need for more than 700mb of music at one time is beyond me. Just carry 3 CDs with you, there's a reason they are called "compact" discs!
Well, thanks for reading my BS for those of you who did.
I use my 20-gig player at work - when I get in the office in the morning, I turn it on, and hit play. When I leave at night, I turn it off. It plays 8 hours straight, 5 days a week. It's always plugged in - I never even use the battery power.
So the advantage for me is that I can listen to the music I want, all day long, without switching Cd's, batteries, etc. I know I could do this with my computer at work, but I don't like keeping 20-gig of my own MP3's on my company computer...
I think this is the market that Creative (and others) have gone after - yeah, it's a portable player, but it's a portable player that is really meant to be plugged in - whether that's in your car, in your office, your dorm room, or your bathroom, they don't really care - but battery life is a secondary issue over storage space...
JMHO of course.
So the advantage for me is that I can listen to the music I want, all day long, without switching Cd's, batteries, etc. I know I could do this with my computer at work, but I don't like keeping 20-gig of my own MP3's on my company computer...
I think this is the market that Creative (and others) have gone after - yeah, it's a portable player, but it's a portable player that is really meant to be plugged in - whether that's in your car, in your office, your dorm room, or your bathroom, they don't really care - but battery life is a secondary issue over storage space...
JMHO of course.
Yeah, I guess I can see your point. Still, wouldn't you rather save a few hundred bucks, have a high quality MP3 CD player sitting at your desk (I think you can get some RIOs for under $90) along with a CD for every day of the week? Just switch the CD when you come in, and you're good to go for the day. I don't know, after you telling me how you use it, I can understand the purpose a little better, but still doesn't make too much sense to me cost-wise.
Aah, but it's not just cost effectiveness. Equally important is the geek factor. A HD based MP3 player is MUCH geekier than a portable CD-MP3 player. 
I guess what it comes down to is that I'm not good at burning a CD-rom of MP3's that I can listen to for a whole day. I tend to fill a CD up with specific albums, meaning you are forced to listen to the same 10 or 12 albums (therefore artists) on that CD. If you have a Jukebox with 500 CD's on it, you can listen all of them in random, probably not even hearing the same artist more than one a day. I guess I like the Jukebox approach because it gives me a more random selection of songs...
I guess what it comes down to is that I'm not good at burning a CD-rom of MP3's that I can listen to for a whole day. I tend to fill a CD up with specific albums, meaning you are forced to listen to the same 10 or 12 albums (therefore artists) on that CD. If you have a Jukebox with 500 CD's on it, you can listen all of them in random, probably not even hearing the same artist more than one a day. I guess I like the Jukebox approach because it gives me a more random selection of songs...
<< Pretty cool. I just use my VAIO PCG-SR33 laptop as my 10GB mp3 player(although it's $1000). Super portable(2.98 pounds, .9" thick) and 5-6 hours playback w/ LCD off. Just my 12 cents. >>
i'd have to agree with you. i think navigating thru thousands of songs will be MUCH easier using a real computer vs some b&w lcd screen. plus, it's easier to make playlists. do these things support playlists? and, for how much these units cost, i'd rather spring that money towards a decent sub 1k laptop.
just my 2cents,
-FMT
was thinking of picking up the roopack solely for the car. I have a cassette/cd player stock in dash already so rather than swap it out I was going ot use the roopack which comes with the cig adapter and cassette adapter to have a boatload of music with me all the time. The portability factor is a bonus really.
Im worried though bec someone mentioned keeping them plugged in all the time actually damages them? Can anyone elaborate on this?
Im worried though bec someone mentioned keeping them plugged in all the time actually damages them? Can anyone elaborate on this?
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