3 pirates killed, captain rescued

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

Not really rocket science. The prisoner came on deck (probably to urinate) and jumped in the water. A seal team then lit-up the life boat. The captain did all the hard work by removing himself from the line of fire given the seals a turkey shoot.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

yeah, i'm really looking forward to hearing the details too. great news!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

Not really rocket science. The prisoner came on deck (probably to urinate) and jumped in the water. A seal team then lit-up the life boat. The captain did all the hard work by removing himself from the line of fire given the seals a turkey shoot.

Yep. This is actually the second time the captain jumped in the water. The Naval warship wasn't prepared the first time and the pirates re-captured him. But the SEALs were ready this time.

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

Not really rocket science. The prisoner came on deck (probably to urinate) and jumped in the water. A seal team then lit-up the life boat. The captain did all the hard work by removing himself from the line of fire given the seals a turkey shoot.

How did the captain know to jump in the water?

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: KingGheedora

Originally posted by: MoPHo
My dad just came running through the house cheering about this...Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the guy is alive but now the rest of the world is probably going to think we're even bigger dicks.

Boats from other countries get kidnapped on a regular basis. When an American liner is taken, battleships just show up EVERYWHERE. I really am very happy for the captain's family but at the same time, what happens next time?

There's nothing dick-ish about the US armed forces protecting US ships and crew from pirates. If anything, all the other countries that have been paying ransoms and allowing the pirates to get away with these activities are doing the wrong thing. Sure the US doesn't' have a stellar reputation when it comes to IR right now, but in this case the right thing was done.

Funny isn't it? Pirates hold sailors hostage and they get paid money. They hold more sailors hostage and they get money. They hold more sailors hostage and they get money. Sounds like we are rewarding their behavior in an effort to save the lives of the people currently being held hostage.

Pirates hold sailors hostage, US warships show up, 3 pirates dead and 1 in captivity for his crimes. Some people were at risk in this situation but that's 4 less pirates that can do this to other people. On the other hand if we had just paid them we would have 4 more pirates and in several months another ship behind held hostage.

I say do everything you possibly can to save the hostages but you can NOT let these guys get away because if you do you are, in some manner, encouraging their behavior.

 

[OCGuy]

LOL @ dead pirates



Dont fuck with the US Special Forces.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: bsobel

They should just add artillery on cruise and cargo ships.

That is against the Geneva convention and maritime shipping law.

change the law?

No really, they should at least have some small form of self defense on ships that may be prone to attacks. Whether it's something on the ship, or just making sure the crew is armed. (which I'm guessing they are in most cases but may not be enough against cannons, torpedoes etc)

Maybe something where they launch a warning fire, if the pirates persist, then the defenses get brought up.

Cargo ships: the war is on.

Even if they were armed it would be hard for them to actually be effective. The pirates come up over the sides in the middle of the night with no lights. Seeing a tiny boat coming up against a huge container ship in the dark is hard. You can't see them coming. Technology for early detection and to prevent boarding would be the best way to deter them.

Hmm true, guess you don't want to be launching stuff that close. You'd think they would have better security though like cameras that can oversee all of the outside, and the captain or whoever is on shift at night would be watching at all times. Then if pirates are spotted they can try to run them down with the big ship. Guess these pirates are quite experienced and know how to deal with all those situations though.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
I wonder if the pirates said ARRRRGH

It was probably more like AAAAAA!!!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

Not really rocket science. The prisoner came on deck (probably to urinate) and jumped in the water. A seal team then lit-up the life boat. The captain did all the hard work by removing himself from the line of fire given the seals a turkey shoot.

How did the captain know to jump in the water?

He didn't. But the fact that there was a naval warship parked nearby meant that he had to try. Twice.

 

[Wheezer]

The problem is no one has the balls to do what needs done....including the U.S.......kill them and blow their mother ship out of the water.

All these private security firms....they are going to get contracts out the ass......I know if I had and oil tanker or cargo ship I would rather pay out a few thousand dollars for protection rather than a few million in ransom.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Obama assumed a stance of dominance.

This is like Obama's anti-katrina

 

[bsobel]

How did the captain know to jump in the water?

Its the duty of any serviceman captured to attempt to escape and evade. Graduates of the merchant marines (if they don't directly go into the armed services) are reserve officers in the US military.

 

[Queasy]

From an earlier Pentagon press conference, it wasn't a planned assault. The on-scene commander thought there was an imminent danger to the Captain when they saw the pirates pointing an AK-47 at the captain and the commander ordered his snipers to take the pirates out.

The President had a standing order to act if they thought the Captain's life was in danger. They were about 20 meters from the boat when the snipers took out the pirates.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: pcgeek11

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: pcgeek11
...

My favorite line in a navy traing manual " Hostages will Not be considered as a deterent ".

pcgeek11
USN Retired

I prefer the US Army Training Manual:
"Kill them all, let God sort them out."

I prefer the Marine Training Manual:

Ugh! Thunk! Plunk! Ugh!


Edit: My first time warp, whoa!

Actually, Mine is an actual quote from a security manual. Although the ideals of your imaginary quote does in fact have some merit in this case.

pcgeek11
USN Retired

United States Marine Corps

"When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed OVERNIGHT"

and

"Destroyed overnight, or your next one's FREE!"

 

[NFS4]

Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, said that the killing of the three pirates was "a painful experience."

"This is unfortunate action and our friends should have done more to kill the captain before they were killed. This will be a good lesson for us," Habeb told the AP from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl.

http://www.wral.com/news/natio...d/world/story/4940055/

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[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: NFS4

The operation by the U.S. Navy Seals was approved by President Barack Obama, officials said.

I have a feeling this will be turned against him one way or the other.

If GWB had done it, we'd already be hearing about how Imperialistic America is terrorizing the poor Africans again. :roll:

No GWB would have invaded Nigeria.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, said that the killing of the three pirates was "a painful experience."

"This is unfortunate action and our friends should have done more to kill the captain before they were killed. This will be a good lesson for us," Habeb told the AP from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl.

http://www.wral.com/news/natio...d/world/story/4940055/

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This is excellent. The more the pirates dehumanize themselves the easier it will be to get away with slaughtering them without mercy. I hope more pirates say things like this.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: NFS4

Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, said that the killing of the three pirates was "a painful experience."

"This is unfortunate action and our friends should have done more to kill the captain before they were killed. This will be a good lesson for us," Habeb told the AP from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl.

http://www.wral.com/news/natio...d/world/story/4940055/

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This is excellent. The more the pirates dehumanize themselves the easier it will be to get away with slaughtering them without mercy. I hope more pirates say things like this.

As soon as they start hurting hostages there is no longer any reason to try and negotiate with them.

 

[lupi]

i'm surprised it lasted this long. I figured they had seals in the area within 24hours of the start of this.

 

[Pocatello]

I'm glad the French and the US government are taking a stand against the pirates.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

Not really rocket science. The prisoner came on deck (probably to urinate) and jumped in the water. A seal team then lit-up the life boat. The captain did all the hard work by removing himself from the line of fire given the seals a turkey shoot.

How did the captain know to jump in the water?

He didn't. But the fact that there was a naval warship parked nearby meant that he had to try. Twice.

That or he saw one of the SEALs popping up and took the hint. Maybe they motioned to him or something.

 

[randay]

i guess all those hours playing close range paid off for those seals huh.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
I'm glad the French and the US government are taking a stand against the pirates.

Don't forget India and the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7725771.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11...ml?partner=rss&emc=rss

As it turns out, the Indian Navy actually sank a Thai Trawler that was being borded by pirates at the time, but there was no way to know that, and they were fired upon from said ship, so I can't blame them.

 

[ghost recon88]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
This is GREAT news! Wow, I'm just amazed. I'm assuming the SEALS pulled off some insane rescue mission, but how?! haha I need details! Just props to everyone involved (crew, captain, Navy, Obama, press,... well just everyone). What a great story for Easter Sunday.

Not really rocket science. The prisoner came on deck (probably to urinate) and jumped in the water. A seal team then lit-up the life boat. The captain did all the hard work by removing himself from the line of fire given the seals a turkey shoot.

How did the captain know to jump in the water?

He didn't. But the fact that there was a naval warship parked nearby meant that he had to try. Twice.

That or he saw one of the SEALs popping up and took the hint. Maybe they motioned to him or something.

Actually it was snipers on the deck of the Navy ship that plugged the pirates. They didn't even have to get in the water

Navy SEALs have rescued the American sea captain held by Somali pirates following a swift firefight off the coast of Somalia Sunday, in a dramatic climax to a harrowing days-long ordeal at sea. Captain Richard Phillips is safe and unharmed. Three of the pirates who were holding him hostage were killed. Vice Adm. Bill Gortney, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, said the pirates, who were armed with AK-47s and small-caliber pistols and had repeatedly threatened to kill Captain Richard Phillips if a ransom were not paid, were pointing AK-47s at their captive. Gortney said the commander of the nearby USS Bainbridge believed Phillips, who was tied up inside the lifeboat, was in "imminent danger" and made a split-second decision when he ordered sailors to fire. Shots were fired, reports CBS News correspondent Kimberly Dozier, but hostage Richard Phillips is safe and was transported to the USS Bainbridge, unharmed and in good condition. Gortney said the pirates were shot from about 25 meters away by snipers on board the USS Bainbridge, which was towing the lifeboat into calmer waters as sea conditions were getting worse. "The sniper's position on the fantail of the Bainbridge observed one of the pirates in the pilot house and two pirates with their head and shoulders exposed,' said Gortney, "and one pirate had the AK-47 leveled at the captain's back. Gortney said the pirates had fired before at Phillips when the captain had made an escape attempt, jumping from the lifeboat into the Indian Ocean on Saturday. Gortney said the White House had given "very clear guidance and authority" to take action if at any time the commander's life was in danger. "They were very, very well trained," Gortney said of the Navy snipers, "and they're not going to take a shot that going to put the hostage at risk. And so we got a good return on their investment tonight. One pirate had surrendered to the Navy and was on board the Bainbridge, helping in what Gortney described as "a deliberate hostage negotiation process" ? one which was not succeeding. That pirate was wounded, stabbed in the hand by a Maersk Alabama crewmember during Wednesday's hijacking attempt. The pirate, now in U.S. custody, is being treated "humanely," said Gortney. "Their counterparts paid with their lives."

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
Actually it was snipers on the deck of the Navy ship that plugged the pirates. They didn't even have to get in the water

Yeah, there's a huge amount of misinformation bouncing around. The snipers never were in the water and the captain didn't jump out of the boat.