3 more Muslims arrested for buying cell phone

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
No one complained about racial profiling when the govenment kept tabs on white guys who are members of the Klan. Now that it's arabs who are members of the Muslim faith it's a problem?

You are comparing KKK to Arab Muslims?

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

I see a problem with the comparison.
But profiling would just be common sense, since most of the perps are
male, in thier early 20's, and of middle eastern/North African/Pakistani descent.
I think we can probably figure most of the 8o year old women flying for instance are not going to blow the plane up? And to not profile to some extent simply defies logic.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: BladeVenom
No one complained about racial profiling when the govenment kept tabs on white guys who are members of the Klan. Now that it's arabs who are members of the Muslim faith it's a problem?

You are comparing KKK to Arab Muslims?

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

I see a problem with the comparison.
But profiling would just be common sense, since most of the perps are
male, in thier early 20's, and of middle eastern/North African/Pakistani descent.
I think we can probably figure most of the 8o year old women flying for instance are not going to blow the plane up? And to not profile to some extent simply defies logic.

Yes...but right after 9/11 it was the 80 year old woman who got searched in line at the airport as opposed to the middle-eastern looking 20something male...just so they could be "PC"

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: magomago

You are comparing KKK to Arab Muslims?

Am I the only one that sees a problem with this?

The only problem I see is that the number of violent acts committed by Klansmen is far less than the number committed by Muslims. So I guess it's a bit unfair to the Klan. When was the last time the Klan launced rockets at another country?

 

[rahvin]

They will be found not-guilty if their story is legitimate (ebay logs, business records, etc), being arrested doesn't equal conviction. Frankly if they are legitimate they better damn well hope they had a business license and were paying taxes on the profits. Otherwise they WILL be going to jail, for tax evasion.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: RichardE
Wonder if they had a business licence.

Why should somebody have to have a license to own a business? Business licenses only exist to pad government coffers and increase the price of entry into markets. It's protectionism of the wealthy. That's about as un-American as you can get.

If there's no evidence other than buying a bunch of cell phones, these guys need to be released.

Business licenses exist for 3 reasons.

1. To ensure that the local community can track complaints and investigate those busineses engaging in illegal/unethical business practices.

2. To ensure that the local business's are meeting all local laws including zoning ordinaces (do you want a 100 dog kenel to be setup in your neighbors house?), health codes (do you care if your local restaurant employees are washing their hands and cleaning up the dead rats?) and all the other hundered business requirements that are imposed.

3. To ensure that the local taxes are collected, which supports and pays for the above requirements as well as collects the monies that support your local police, fire and other community services.

Anarchy doesn't work, society requires organization and unfortunately things like business licenses.

 

[episodic]

Billions in oil money and they have to use a 20$ tracfone for a detonator? Shees. . ..

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: RichardE
Wonder if they had a business licence.

Why should somebody have to have a license to own a business? Business licenses only exist to pad government coffers and increase the price of entry into markets. It's protectionism of the wealthy. That's about as un-American as you can get.

If there's no evidence other than buying a bunch of cell phones, these guys need to be released.

Business licenses exist for 3 reasons.

1. To ensure that the local community can track complaints and investigate those busineses engaging in illegal/unethical business practices.

2. To ensure that the local business's are meeting all local laws including zoning ordinaces (do you want a 100 dog kenel to be setup in your neighbors house?), health codes (do you care if your local restaurant employees are washing their hands and cleaning up the dead rats?) and all the other hundered business requirements that are imposed.

3. To ensure that the local taxes are collected, which supports and pays for the above requirements as well as collects the monies that support your local police, fire and other community services.

Anarchy doesn't work, society requires organization and unfortunately things like business licenses.

Believe your reasons if you want. If it makes you feel better about having to beg at the feet of nanny government for the right to self-determination. It just meens your a subject, not a free man.

1. Businesses have physical locations. If a business is conducting illegal activities, an address will suffice for tracking down those involved. Some guy selling stolen stuff out of the back of his van doesn't care about the law anyway, so it's not going to prevent his unethical behavior. Just as gun control laws only affect the law-abiding, requiring a business license only applies to those who observe laws to begin with.

2. Again, businesses which will lawfully acquire the needed license to operate already follow the laws. If someone can hide a 100 dog kennel on their property without the neighbors knowing it exists, then it's not affecting them and it shouldn't matter. If it does affect the neighbors, then the city can be notified and they can be shutdown for violating zoning laws. A license is not required. And if you think a business license makes a restaurants employees wash their hands, you're deluded.

3. Your argument here is that licenses have to exist in order to pay the cost of enforcing license requirements? Circular logic at it's best. Do away with business licenses and, surprise surprise, the cost for enforcing business licenses disappears. As for taxes, that's handled by your states revenue service. Business and professional licenses are handled by a separate agency and unrelated.

And if you still don't believe that licensing is simply a money grab by politicians, here's a recent example in my home town which affected many low-income, minority women just trying to make some money the old-fashioned way. Nothing to kill the entrepreneurial spirit of America like raising the bar so high you have to be wealthy in order to start a business, eh? Fortunately these women fought the system and won.

http://craigwestover.blogspot.com/2005/...mn-minnesota-license-requirements.html

http://www.nappystories.com/main/nonfiction/cosmetologycartel.htm

 

[Jeff7]

Yes, the terrorists are winning. By definition, the objective of a terrorist is to create terror. We are now scared of:
Nail files
Cellphones
Liquid in bottles
Knitting needles
Airplanes
Mideasterners
People buying 1-way tickets
Pictures being taken of landmarks
White powder of any sort, including flour and sugar

Kind of sad, isn't it?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Yes, the terrorists are winning. By definition, the objective of a terrorist is to create terror. We are now scared of:
Nail files
Cellphones
Liquid in bottles
Knitting needles
Airplanes
Mideasterners
People buying 1-way tickets
Pictures being taken of landmarks
White powder of any sort, including flour and sugar

Kind of sad, isn't it?

Too bad nobody is actually terrified of those things. The only thing terrifying is our federal governments clear misunderstanding of anything more complicated Red Fish, Blue Fish.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I wouldn't be anti-Jihadist (which to you means I hate the whole race it seems) if it were not for a reason. People do not wake up and develop opinions, they develop them because of actions. Have the Muslims community put as much effort into denouncing the extremists as the extremists do into making sure we see all mulims the same and the opinions of many will change. The moderates are silent, which translates to the majoirty that they agree with with the extremist.

Just like you see all the moderate Jews on the streets, protesting the attrocities the Israeli government commits. Oh wait...

People do not identify with terrorists, so they do not feel like they should be apologizing for them either. Just like you didn't see millions of Catholics demonstrating against the IRA bombers, Hitler or the childraping priests, just like you don't see the millions of Chinese living abroad demonstrating daily to show they don't agree with the Chinese government, just like you didn't see the KKK demonstrating against the Apartheid's regime in South-Africa killing black Christians (ok, that example is pushing it a bit ), etc.

If I'd claim to be a Jew and would start bombing people in the name of god would you run out into the street to demonstrate and show that you are sorry for your religion causing people to die, or would you claim I was a lunatic who has nothing to do with your religion and whom you are not responsible for?

Yes, there are freaks who agree with them, and many more who can understand why they do it, but understanding a powerhungry massmurderer doesn't mean I actually support Bush.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Yes, the terrorists are winning. By definition, the objective of a terrorist is to create terror. We are now scared of:
Nail files
Cellphones
Liquid in bottles
Knitting needles
Airplanes
Mideasterners
People buying 1-way tickets
Pictures being taken of landmarks
White powder of any sort, including flour and sugar

Kind of sad, isn't it?

Too bad nobody is actually terrified of those things. The only thing terrifying is our federal governments clear misunderstanding of anything more complicated Red Fish, Blue Fish.

Yes in a way the terrorist have won. Regardless if they obtain their objection or not of whatever that is. The fact that our governement is going through the process of making our lives difficult. Hell you can't even take bottled watter on a plane. LOL.... I never thought it would get that bad. 9/11 has affected everyone in some way shape or form. When 9/11 happened my job hours were cut dramatically due to the nature of business (hotel) that I worked in. I had to go on unemployment.... Why do you think one of the reasons why we have high gas prices......

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Believe your reasons if you want. If it makes you feel better about having to beg at the feet of nanny government for the right to self-determination. It just meens your a subject, not a free man.

Ah the post that starts with an attempted insult, an implied insult that I enjoy prostrating myself. Sets the whole tone for the post.

Originally posted by: BoberFett
1. Businesses have physical locations. If a business is conducting illegal activities, an address will suffice for tracking down those involved. Some guy selling stolen stuff out of the back of his van doesn't care about the law anyway, so it's not going to prevent his unethical behavior. Just as gun control laws only affect the law-abiding, requiring a business license only applies to those who observe laws to begin with.

The guy selling stuff out of his van doesn't have a storefront because he would have to get a business license to operate out of a store front. If a business is doing something illegal and there weren't business licenses how would you prosecute them? The guy working there just works there he doesn't own it (and how would you prove otherwise, innocent till proven beyond a reasonable doubt). The name leasing the place doesn't exist and the rent is paid in cash. So who exactly do you prosecute and actually get a conviction? Business licenses establish identies, they identify what is being done so that the appropriate agencies can be notified (such as the health department). And honestly $20 a year to handle all the paperwork the city is tasked with isn't a big deal.

Originally posted by: BoberFett
2. Again, businesses which will lawfully acquire the needed license to operate already follow the laws. If someone can hide a 100 dog kennel on their property without the neighbors knowing it exists, then it's not affecting them and it shouldn't matter. If it does affect the neighbors, then the city can be notified and they can be shutdown for violating zoning laws. A license is not required. And if you think a business license makes a restaurants employees wash their hands, you're deluded.

How do you enforce the law if you don't know who owns a business? How does the department of health know there is a restaurant if there isn't a business license? Do they just drive around and look for new restaurants? Or maybe they could just rely on word of mouth, right? How does the city know that your business is complying with zoning ordinances for say hazardous waste? How does the city even know if a business exists? Again, by word of mouth?

Originally posted by: BoberFett
3. Your argument here is that licenses have to exist in order to pay the cost of enforcing license requirements? Circular logic at it's best. Do away with business licenses and, surprise surprise, the cost for enforcing business licenses disappears. As for taxes, that's handled by your states revenue service. Business and professional licenses are handled by a separate agency and unrelated.

My point about the cost of the license paying for the program was to relate that it's self sustaining. You are also naive (or live in a state that prefers to centralize everything) if you think all the taxes are collected at the state level. There are a LOT of jurisdictions where there are and have always been local taxing authorities. And even without the taxing authority there isn't funds to sustain enforcement and complaint programs without local taxes and fees being collected and without a business license the state and local government has no idea a business is even operating within their jurisdiction.

When I was operating my business the newsletter I recieved (based on my business license) related that the costs of handling business complaints varied from $0 to $2800 based on the type of business being run. License revenues in part helped cover those costs, costs the businesses should be responsible for, not the tax payers.

You talk about licenses being a money grab like it's free revenue going into the pocket of the local politician. When in reality the fee's collected probably don't even cover the real costs the city and local taxpayers bear as a result of that business being in existence. Taxes and fee's cover costs, costs that otherwise come out of the pocket of everyone else, and I won't support a system where I the tax payers have to pay to support private businesses.

 

[tommywishbone]

More Muslims buying phones? NO! The end is near.