Whats funny is every time my friends goes back to visit Taiwan, their friend and family ask them to bring boatloads of stuff. Generaally not stuff like phones since they have it more advanced, but other things. One of them flys out tonight to Taiwan, and she bought literally 30 bottles of some kind of lotion, a bunch fo some anti arthritis cream that costs an arm and a leg in taiwan, sometting like 700 dollars worth of victoria's secret goods, boxes of the costco gummy bears because they don't have it in taiwan...and other stuff that can't be had over there...
and the funny part is she started to freak out because of what happened because she was worried she can't
we need to be worried of those Chinese terrorists shipping over lotion
Btw, since when is reselling a crime? People do it all the time...especially on hot deals! I can't think of the time where I wanted to get in on a deal and someone buys 500 and resells it all on ebay.
and the funny part is she started to freak out because of what happened because she was worried she can't
we need to be worried of those Chinese terrorists shipping over lotion
Btw, since when is reselling a crime? People do it all the time...especially on hot deals! I can't think of the time where I wanted to get in on a deal and someone buys 500 and resells it all on ebay.
Originally posted by: magomago
Whats funny is every time my friends goes back to visit Taiwan, their friend and family ask them to bring boatloads of stuff. Generaally not stuff like phones since they have it more advanced, but other things. One of them flys out tonight to Taiwan, and she bought literally 30 bottles of some kind of lotion, a bunch fo some anti arthritis cream that costs an arm and a leg in taiwan, sometting like 700 dollars worth of victoria's secret goods, boxes of the costco gummy bears because they don't have it in taiwan...and other stuff that can't be had over there...
and the funny part is she started to freak out because of what happened because she was worried she can't
we need to be worried of those Chinese terrorists shipping over lotion
Btw, since when is reselling a crime? People do it all the time...especially on hot deals! I can't think of the time where I wanted to get in on a deal and someone buys 500 and resells it all on ebay.
They are going to start arresting those people that buy 20 PS3 and try to EBAY them for $2,000 each!
I wouldn't be anti-Jihadist (which to you means I hate the whole race it seems) if it were not for a reason. People do not wake up and develop opinions, they develop them because of actions. Have the Muslims community put as much effort into denouncing the extremists as the extremists do into making sure we see all mulims the same and the opinions of many will change. The moderates are silent, which translates to the majoirty that they agree with with the extremist.
Should all Middle East Muslims be put into camps? They are already there due to the leaders who run those countries. The problem comes when they try to leave those camps for violent reasons. You want to come to Europe/US to work and begin a better life than fine. What do we see though? The majority going to Europe to live on Welfar and try to change the country to suit them, Muslims who live in the west and enjoy the west yet denounce the west and say it is evil. Where are the moderates? No where, so we will see the extremists, and we will base our opinions off of them. If the rest of the Muslims community does not want to be seen in that light they should speak out, plain and simply. Until that times, you are defending a people who do not care.
As I said to Rainsford, I would support these people being arrested until they can provide proof they were going to re-sell.
5150Joker
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Originally posted by: magomago
Whats funny is every time my friends goes back to visit Taiwan, their friend and family ask them to bring boatloads of stuff. Generaally not stuff like phones since they have it more advanced, but other things. One of them flys out tonight to Taiwan, and she bought literally 30 bottles of some kind of lotion, a bunch fo some anti arthritis cream that costs an arm and a leg in taiwan, sometting like 700 dollars worth of victoria's secret goods, boxes of the costco gummy bears because they don't have it in taiwan...and other stuff that can't be had over there...
and the funny part is she started to freak out because of what happened because she was worried she can't
we need to be worried of those Chinese terrorists shipping over lotion
Btw, since when is reselling a crime? People do it all the time...especially on hot deals! I can't think of the time where I wanted to get in on a deal and someone buys 500 and resells it all on ebay.
They're going to arrest some middle eastern looking nerd that collects console systems (esp. PS2) anyday now and say he's building a clandestine supercomputer to overthrow the government.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
So 1.2 billion muslims have voiced a unified opinion of wanting "us" (whoever that is) to die? You apparently have access to inside info. that others lack. Either that or you're a simpleton bigot.
I wouldn't be anti-Jihadist (which to you means I hate the whole race it seems) if it were not for a reason. People do not wake up and develop opinions, they develop them because of actions. Have the Muslims community put as much effort into denouncing the extremists as the extremists do into making sure we see all mulims the same and the opinions of many will change. The moderates are silent, which translates to the majoirty that they agree with with the extremist.
Should all Middle East Muslims be put into camps? They are already there due to the leaders who run those countries. The problem comes when they try to leave those camps for violent reasons. You want to come to Europe/US to work and begin a better life than fine. What do we see though? The majority going to Europe to live on Welfar and try to change the country to suit them, Muslims who live in the west and enjoy the west yet denounce the west and say it is evil. Where are the moderates? No where, so we will see the extremists, and we will base our opinions off of them. If the rest of the Muslims community does not want to be seen in that light they should speak out, plain and simply. Until that times, you are defending a people who do not care.
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Speaking of which, 3,000 from Deaborn when to Washington today to protest the USA and Isreal.
"WASHINGTON -- Busloads of Arab and Muslim Michiganians gathered in Washington, D.C. today to protest U.S. and Israeli policy in the Middle East.
Weary from long bus and car rides, hopeful that a United Nations-brokered cease-fire will end the bloodshed in Lebanon and Israel, and angry at what they said were hypocritical double-standards in U.S. policy and in media coverage of the conflict, a Michigan contingent that included at least a dozen buses arrived early today.
The travelers said they want to defend their homeland -- and in some cases their own families.
"When you see the bombs falling right in front of your face, it changes your perspective," said Mohamed Kadry, 21, of Dearborn, a college student who said he was visiting his grandparents in a northern Lebanon village when the Israeli military began its campaign on July 12.
In Lafayette Park, just a few hundred yards from the White House, speakers led chants from a raised platform while children in University of Michigan hats and "God Bless Lebanon" T-shirts mingled with socialist college students bearing Che Guevara buttons.
There were no official estimates of the crowd's size, but several busloads of Detroit-area marchers arrived early Saturday, along with smaller contingents from Boston, Chicago and Atlanta. Organizers gave varying estimates of between 1,500 and 3,000 people traveled from Michigan for the rally.
The majority of Michigan protesters came from the state's large Lebanese community, centered in Dearborn. While many said they hope a cease-fire vote late Friday in the UN Security Council will lead to peace, there were doubts, especially as Israel continued air strikes deep into Lebanon and tripled the number of ground forces it has pushed across the border."
As I said, until the moderates come out and say otherwise, you are defending a people who do not care what are they thought of. Until those moderates come out with the same energy to denounce the extremists that the extremists use, than I will stick to my opinions. For the sole reason that until than, the extremists are the voice of the muslim community.
So they want peace? Who doesn't. They are protesting Israel, not the extremists who started the war.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
I'm guessing you formed this unintelligent opinion after hearing some right wing nut on radio spew the same trash? If you spent half the time looking for media about Muslim organizations that denounce any form of terror as you do articles villifying Muslims, you'd see they have clearly voiced objections to any form of terrorism:
http://www.freemuslims.org/
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/home.html
And several others, these are just a few I picked up from a cursory google search: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslims+...client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
fficialSo have mainstream Muslims spoken up? Hell yes they have, its just that their voice is drowned out by bigoted people like you and the media because it doesn't grab headlines.
More b.s. from you which is not surprising. Muslims in the US are among the most educated and successful group of immigrants in this country. In Europe things may be different because of the social structure of those nations but in a capitalist nation like the US there's no shortage of successful and patriotic Muslims--just look at any UC campus in California as proof of that.
All around you but you choose to ignore their presence to suite your agenda.
It's part of the American system of free speech to be able to protest one's government and it's policies; I guess to you and your ilk, anyone that doesn't fall in line or support Israel blindlly is anti-American and should be locked up.
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I'm guessing you formed this unintelligent opinion after hearing some right wing nut on radio spew the same trash? If you spent half the time looking for media about Muslim organizations that denounce any form of terror as you do articles villifying Muslims, you'd see they have clearly voiced objections to any form of terrorism:
http://www.freemuslims.org/
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/home.html
And several others, these are just a few I picked up from a cursory google search: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslims+...client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
So have mainstream Muslims spoken up? Hell yes they have, its just that their voice is drowned out by bigoted people like you and the media because it doesn't grab headlines.
More b.s. from you which is not surprising. Muslims in the US are among the most educated and successful group of immigrants in this country. In Europe things may be different because of the social structure of those nations but in a capitalist nation like the US there's no shortage of successful and patriotic Muslims--just look at any UC campus in California as proof of that.
All around you but you choose to ignore their presence to suite your agenda.
It's part of the American system of free speech to be able to protest one's government and it's policies; I guess to you and your ilk, anyone that doesn't fall in line or support Israel blindlly is anti-American and should be locked up.
Link to your hearts content. I can do the same to prove that the majority of white people belong to KKK if you want. The point is, no one notable is actually going at it with the same factor that the extremists are, try to persuade me and others of the same opinion all you want. Once the moderates begin making the news on a nightly basis, or actually putting out a huge effort it will not change, sorry.
As for the Muslums in the US, as you can see from my point you quotes, the ones that come here. The ones that come to the US from the middle east are usually affluent. The ones who go to Europe are usually poor and try to change the country. The point is, the good things you point out in regards to Muslims are of the minority of the overall picture that people of the Muslims faith show to the world. Keep defending them all you want, it is a lost cause. If the majority of Muslims in the world were like American Muslims, we would not have a problem and most people could live in peace. The problem is, they are not and never will be.
dahunan
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
I'm guessing you formed this unintelligent opinion after hearing some right wing nut on radio spew the same trash? If you spent half the time looking for media about Muslim organizations that denounce any form of terror as you do articles villifying Muslims, you'd see they have clearly voiced objections to any form of terrorism:
http://www.freemuslims.org/
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
http://www.m-a-t.org/
http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/home.html
And several others, these are just a few I picked up from a cursory google search: http://www.google.com/search?q=muslims+...client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US
So have mainstream Muslims spoken up? Hell yes they have, its just that their voice is drowned out by bigoted people like you and the media because it doesn't grab headlines.
More b.s. from you which is not surprising. Muslims in the US are among the most educated and successful group of immigrants in this country. In Europe things may be different because of the social structure of those nations but in a capitalist nation like the US there's no shortage of successful and patriotic Muslims--just look at any UC campus in California as proof of that.
All around you but you choose to ignore their presence to suite your agenda.
It's part of the American system of free speech to be able to protest one's government and it's policies; I guess to you and your ilk, anyone that doesn't fall in line or support Israel blindlly is anti-American and should be locked up.
Link to your hearts content. I can do the same to prove that the majority of white people belong to KKK if you want. The point is, no one notable is actually going at it with the same factor that the extremists are, try to persuade me and others of the same opinion all you want. Once the moderates begin making the news on a nightly basis, or actually putting out a huge effort it will not change, sorry.
As for the Muslums in the US, as you can see from my point you quotes, the ones that come here. The ones that come to the US from the middle east are usually affluent. The ones who go to Europe are usually poor and try to change the country. The point is, the good things you point out in regards to Muslims are of the minority of the overall picture that people of the Muslims faith show to the world. Keep defending them all you want, it is a lost cause. If the majority of Muslims in the world were like American Muslims, we would not have a problem and most people could live in peace. The problem is, they are not and never will be.
Name a noteable muslim who you think needs to go after it like you say..
You recognize the extremists the same way Iraqis recognize the rapist murderers in our military who raped that girl and burned her family alive..
You are so blind you should be disgusted..
Add the ****** up. .. how many innocent lives have mr bush and his neocon followers taken vs Osama and the Muslim Extremists you speak of
5150Joker
Diamond Member
Why should each and every single Muslim take responsibility for the actions of extremists that happen to share the same faith? Your mentality of collective responsibility and punishment is the problem here, not the moderate Muslims. I bet if every single Muslim in the US protested tonight, you and your type would raise the bar and say, "well that's not enough, they should enlist and help bomb Muslim countries else they're silently supporting terrorists!" :roll:
Wrong and not all Muslims are from the middle east; in fact the majority of Muslims are not middle eastern and the ones that come here like Pakistanis do not come from any affluence at all yet the vast majority are quite successful and pro-American in every way.
You obviously have a very narrow-minded view of who or what a Muslim and it clearly shows in your posts; I'm not surprised though, with the constant media bombardment villifying Muslims, ignorant people are easily swayed.
If the majority of Muslims were militants, the world would be in deep chaos. Its obvious to me you have no clue what you're talking about and are just busy spouting nonsense to justify your position.
Well I am sprouting bs, and you have a bad case of rose colored glasses/wishfull thinking. We will not agree on this. We will just have to sit back and see which path the muslim world takes and that will point to which one of us was the ignorant one.
5150Joker
Diamond Member
The real question is which path will the Western world take? Will it choose to continue to support nations founded on religion that believe they have a manifest destiny to settle and occupy lands, kidnap people and bomb civilians or will they finally stand up for justice and take an even handed approach? The US has been hijacked by fear, racism and paranoia and because of it, these kinds of leaders are given free reign to do what they wish. The onus isn't on the Muslim world at all, it's on the populace in the West to stand up to the narrow-minded policies of their governments. For every terrorist that kills a civlian, there's a US made bomb killing 10-50.
The real question is while the muslims in the world change and embrace peace, or continue with there theocracy dreams? Israel has no choice but to declare war, if you actually followed the history of the region you would see that. Muslims need to change, not the west.
Another update on this story, apparently, the Feds have been tracking these guys for awhile
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060813/ap_on_re_us/phones_terror_charges
Muhareb told the magistrate: "This is a misunderstanding." He said he was selling the phones to earn money to help pay for his brother's college education.
Louai Othman's wife, Lina Odeh, said the men were buying the phones to sell to a man in Dallas for a profit of about $5 per phone. She said they were in Michigan because so many people in the Dallas area are doing the same thing that the phones are often sold out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060813/ap_on_re_us/phones_terror_charges
Muhareb told the magistrate: "This is a misunderstanding." He said he was selling the phones to earn money to help pay for his brother's college education.
Louai Othman's wife, Lina Odeh, said the men were buying the phones to sell to a man in Dallas for a profit of about $5 per phone. She said they were in Michigan because so many people in the Dallas area are doing the same thing that the phones are often sold out.
Thump553
Lifer
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People are rushing to judgment way too fast on too little evidence.
From the tiny bit I know, I'm deeply suspicious of their story about reselling these for a profit. They were apparently buying them at retail price at Walmart. These phones aren't rare, any joe can walk into any walmart in the country and buy his own-at the same price. Why would a dealer pay $5 over the Walmart price?
From the tiny bit I know, I'm deeply suspicious of their story about reselling these for a profit. They were apparently buying them at retail price at Walmart. These phones aren't rare, any joe can walk into any walmart in the country and buy his own-at the same price. Why would a dealer pay $5 over the Walmart price?
This does me you suspuicious. Are they really that popular in Dallas that they would sell out everywhere?
"Louai Othman's wife, Lina Odeh, said the men were buying the phones to sell to a man in Dallas for a profit of about $5 per phone. She said they were in Michigan because so many people in the Dallas area are doing the same thing that the phones are often sold out"
"Louai Othman's wife, Lina Odeh, said the men were buying the phones to sell to a man in Dallas for a profit of about $5 per phone. She said they were in Michigan because so many people in the Dallas area are doing the same thing that the phones are often sold out"
Hatred against Muslims has been going on for centuries. You know the term Crusaders thats often mentioned in Jihad videos? Guess where it came from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade
I bet its most likely taught in Middle Eastern schools and in Mosques about the Crusaders and their barbaric acts on Muslim land (also against the Jews).
That is where their hate is coming from. Oh, and getting their oil.
Christians were barbaric back then, extremist Muslims are doing it now.
P.S.: I'm not Muslim.
Stupid part about this is that there are White, Black and Asian muslims. In fact the biggest populations of muslims by far are in Asia and Africa.
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