3 more Muslims arrested for buying cell phone

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3 more Muslim Middle Easterners from Michigan were arrested yesterday for buying hundreds of cell phone.

They used the same excuse as the ones that were arrested this week in OH, FL, TX, and GA, claimining they were going to re-sell for profit.

8-22-2006 is leading to something very big from the Muslim community
 

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Three Palestinian men whom police said purchased 80 cellular telephones for terrorist activities remain jailed today in Michigan on $750,000 bond

Maruan Awad Muharab, 19; Adham Abdelhamid Othman, 22; and Louai Abdelhamied Othman, 23, were charged today in Tuscola County with one count each of collecting or providing materials for terrorist acts and one count each of surveiling a vulnerable target.

The men were arrested Friday in Caro, which is in the Thumb area of Michigan, after a Wal-Mart employee contacted the authorities. The clerk was suspicious of the men because they had purchased 80 TracFones, which are sold with pre-paid minutes and are difficult to monitor.

Some authorities have expressed concern that people plotting or supporting terrorism might use multiple mobile phones to make their calling patterns harder to track.

The Wal-Mart store's policy is to sell a maximum of three of the phones at a time, police said. Officers arrested the men with nearly 1,000 of the phones. The men told officers they planned to resell the phones to a wholesaler in Texas.
 

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This the saddest excuse for "terrorist activity" I've ever heard. Or maybe I'm wrong, I suppose the image of radical Muslims with thousands of pre-paid cell phones at their disposal is a pretty chilling one.
 

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I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!
 

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Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.
 

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Oh, you guys haven't heard? It's illegal for Muslims to buy cell phones. :roll:

What proof is there, that they are not buying them to resell? My boss is a Muslim, and he buys phones and resells them on Ebay all the time.
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad affair, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.
 
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
This the saddest excuse for "terrorist activity" I've ever heard. Or maybe I'm wrong, I suppose the image of radical Muslims with thousands of pre-paid cell phones at their disposal is a pretty chilling one.

I could find the links. I think they are still on Drudge.

Basically they all said they were buying the phones for $20 and reselling them for $38. One group was found with 1000 phones. That adds up to $18k in profits. Obviously there is no direct tie to any terrorist activity in those actions but I would be curious to find out where the money was going.

1000 phones
Another group

There are groups out there who are in need of disposable phones with no name attached (drug dealers) so maybe they are just enterprising young men filling a void in the market. (Heh)

But pardon me if I'm curious as to where the money is headed.


 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad state, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.

I've heard the argument before, and it really doesn't make sense. Yeah, most of the threats today seem to come from radical Muslims, but there is a difference between saying most terrorists are Muslim and most Muslims are terrorists. Racial profiling is a stupid security policy because it results in silly decision making, where watching everyone from the "bad group" is good for security. But even among the profiled group, so few people are criminals that treating them differently makes no sense. The chances that a Muslim buying a lot of phones is a terrorist are only slightly higher than the chances a Christian doing the same thing is a terrorist...among the factors that should be used as warning signs of terrorist activity, racial profiling is among the worst. If it has any value at all, it should be used last to narrow down the list of suspects...mostly because it doesn't really narrow down the list very much at all.

Look at it this way, every innocent Muslim or Arab hassled by cops engaging in racial profiling is one less chance to catch an actual terrorist. If the policy is to just look for activity that is actually suspicious, regardless of race, the chances of catching the bad guys are much better. Once you introduce the idea of being on the lookout for Muslims, every Muslim is going to start looking like a bad guy, and a lot of time is going to go into harassing people who have done nothing wrong. It's just human nature.
 
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad state, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.

I've heard the argument before, and it really doesn't make sense. Yeah, most of the threats today seem to come from radical Muslims, but there is a difference between saying most terrorists are Muslim and most Muslims are terrorists. Racial profiling is a stupid security policy because it results in silly decision making, where watching everyone from the "bad group" is good for security. But even among the profiled group, so few people are criminals that treating them differently makes no sense. The chances that a Muslim buying a lot of phones is a terrorist are only slightly higher than the chances a Christian doing the same thing is a terrorist...among the factors that should be used as warning signs of terrorist activity, racial profiling is among the worst. If it has any value at all, it should be used last to narrow down the list of suspects...mostly because it doesn't really narrow down the list very much at all.

Look at it this way, every innocent Muslim or Arab hassled by cops engaging in racial profiling is one less chance to catch an actual terrorist. If the policy is to just look for activity that is actually suspicious, regardless of race, the chances of catching the bad guys are much better. Once you introduce the idea of being on the lookout for Muslims, every Muslim is going to start looking like a bad guy, and a lot of time is going to go into harassing people who have done nothing wrong. It's just human nature.

In the context of this thread, racial profiling does not apply. The guys with the 1000 cell phones were ratted out by a suspicious clerk at Wal-Mart and the other two guys were pulled over on a traffic stop.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad state, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.

I've heard the argument before, and it really doesn't make sense. Yeah, most of the threats today seem to come from radical Muslims, but there is a difference between saying most terrorists are Muslim and most Muslims are terrorists. Racial profiling is a stupid security policy because it results in silly decision making, where watching everyone from the "bad group" is good for security. But even among the profiled group, so few people are criminals that treating them differently makes no sense. The chances that a Muslim buying a lot of phones is a terrorist are only slightly higher than the chances a Christian doing the same thing is a terrorist...among the factors that should be used as warning signs of terrorist activity, racial profiling is among the worst. If it has any value at all, it should be used last to narrow down the list of suspects...mostly because it doesn't really narrow down the list very much at all.

Look at it this way, every innocent Muslim or Arab hassled by cops engaging in racial profiling is one less chance to catch an actual terrorist. If the policy is to just look for activity that is actually suspicious, regardless of race, the chances of catching the bad guys are much better. Once you introduce the idea of being on the lookout for Muslims, every Muslim is going to start looking like a bad guy, and a lot of time is going to go into harassing people who have done nothing wrong. It's just human nature.


There would be a huge waste of time/resources if they centered of every race/religion ect when the majority are commited by a certain demographic. Consider the fact that resources are sretched thin already when just focusing mostly on 1 or 2 demographics. A complete depletion of resrouces when you focus on every demographic would mean you would miss out on many more actually "guilty" people. If even 70% of your targets come from one demographic, you should commit the majority of your resources to that demographic, rather than split it evenly among every demographic for a sense of fairness. It just makes no sense to commit as much resources to say "white people" as you would "muslims" when the incidence of muslims being actually guilty is so much higher.
 

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Oh, you guys haven't heard? It's illegal for Muslims to buy cell phones. :roll:

What proof is there, that they are not buying them to resell? My boss is a Muslim, and he buys phones and resells them on Ebay all the time.

Hum, I think I see a way for you to get a promotion.
 

bennylong

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Oh, you guys haven't heard? It's illegal for Muslims to buy cell phones. :roll:

What proof is there, that they are not buying them to resell? My boss is a Muslim, and he buys phones and resells them on Ebay all the time.

Hum, I think I see a way for you to get a promotion.

ROFL.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad state, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.

I've heard the argument before, and it really doesn't make sense. Yeah, most of the threats today seem to come from radical Muslims, but there is a difference between saying most terrorists are Muslim and most Muslims are terrorists. Racial profiling is a stupid security policy because it results in silly decision making, where watching everyone from the "bad group" is good for security. But even among the profiled group, so few people are criminals that treating them differently makes no sense. The chances that a Muslim buying a lot of phones is a terrorist are only slightly higher than the chances a Christian doing the same thing is a terrorist...among the factors that should be used as warning signs of terrorist activity, racial profiling is among the worst. If it has any value at all, it should be used last to narrow down the list of suspects...mostly because it doesn't really narrow down the list very much at all.

Look at it this way, every innocent Muslim or Arab hassled by cops engaging in racial profiling is one less chance to catch an actual terrorist. If the policy is to just look for activity that is actually suspicious, regardless of race, the chances of catching the bad guys are much better. Once you introduce the idea of being on the lookout for Muslims, every Muslim is going to start looking like a bad guy, and a lot of time is going to go into harassing people who have done nothing wrong. It's just human nature.


There would be a huge waste of time/resources if they centered of every race/religion ect when the majority are commited by a certain demographic. Consider the fact that resources are sretched thin already when just focusing mostly on 1 or 2 demographics. A complete depletion of resrouces when you focus on every demographic would mean you would miss out on many more actually "guilty" people. If even 70% of your targets come from one demographic, you should commit the majority of your resources to that demographic, rather than split it evenly among every demographic for a sense of fairness. It just makes no sense to commit as much resources to say "white people" as you would "muslims" when the incidence of muslims being actually guilty is so much higher.

That's my point, the incidence of Muslims being actually guilty is NOT so much higher. The actual number of terrorists is very, VERY small, the chances of a random Muslim being a terrorist are not statistically higher than the chances of a random Christian being a terrorist.

But yes, as you suggest, it makes little sense to focus on a group where a smaller percentage of people are guilty. And in theory such an approach might work, but as I suggested, the way human nature works suggests to me that if "being Muslim" is treated as a method of filtering out the bad guys, it's very hard for people to give that factor the due considering it deserves...which is almost none at all. I'm not suggesting the solution is to be equal opportunity investigators, I'm saying that race and religion should simply be ignored during investigations...whatever small benefits might be gained are probably outweighed by the subconscious idea that every Muslim is a terrorist that is even invading the minds of professionals that should know better.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Oh, you guys haven't heard? It's illegal for Muslims to buy cell phones. :roll:

What proof is there, that they are not buying them to resell? My boss is a Muslim, and he buys phones and resells them on Ebay all the time.

Hum, I think I see a way for you to get a promotion.

LOL. The only way I would get a promotion, is if he left the company, since he's at the top, and I'm only one rung down the ladder from him. :)

I might, however, partner up with him and buy a couple thousand cell phones. ;)
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Oh, you guys haven't heard? It's illegal for Muslims to buy cell phones. :roll:

What proof is there, that they are not buying them to resell? My boss is a Muslim, and he buys phones and resells them on Ebay all the time.

Hum, I think I see a way for you to get a promotion.

LOL. The only way I would get a promotion, is if he left the company, since he's at the top, and I'm only one rung down the ladder from him. :)

I might, however, partner up with him and buy a couple thousand cell phones. ;)

Maybe I should put a few lots of a thousand on ebay too and just not deliver. Let Omar take me to court. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad state, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.

I've heard the argument before, and it really doesn't make sense. Yeah, most of the threats today seem to come from radical Muslims, but there is a difference between saying most terrorists are Muslim and most Muslims are terrorists. Racial profiling is a stupid security policy because it results in silly decision making, where watching everyone from the "bad group" is good for security. But even among the profiled group, so few people are criminals that treating them differently makes no sense. The chances that a Muslim buying a lot of phones is a terrorist are only slightly higher than the chances a Christian doing the same thing is a terrorist...among the factors that should be used as warning signs of terrorist activity, racial profiling is among the worst. If it has any value at all, it should be used last to narrow down the list of suspects...mostly because it doesn't really narrow down the list very much at all.

Look at it this way, every innocent Muslim or Arab hassled by cops engaging in racial profiling is one less chance to catch an actual terrorist. If the policy is to just look for activity that is actually suspicious, regardless of race, the chances of catching the bad guys are much better. Once you introduce the idea of being on the lookout for Muslims, every Muslim is going to start looking like a bad guy, and a lot of time is going to go into harassing people who have done nothing wrong. It's just human nature.


There would be a huge waste of time/resources if they centered of every race/religion ect when the majority are commited by a certain demographic. Consider the fact that resources are sretched thin already when just focusing mostly on 1 or 2 demographics. A complete depletion of resrouces when you focus on every demographic would mean you would miss out on many more actually "guilty" people. If even 70% of your targets come from one demographic, you should commit the majority of your resources to that demographic, rather than split it evenly among every demographic for a sense of fairness. It just makes no sense to commit as much resources to say "white people" as you would "muslims" when the incidence of muslims being actually guilty is so much higher.

That's my point, the incidence of Muslims being actually guilty is NOT so much higher. The actual number of terrorists is very, VERY small, the chances of a random Muslim being a terrorist are not statistically higher than the chances of a random Christian being a terrorist.

But yes, as you suggest, it makes little sense to focus on a group where a smaller percentage of people are guilty. And in theory such an approach might work, but as I suggested, the way human nature works suggests to me that if "being Muslim" is treated as a method of filtering out the bad guys, it's very hard for people to give that factor the due considering it deserves...which is almost none at all. I'm not suggesting the solution is to be equal opportunity investigators, I'm saying that race and religion should simply be ignored during investigations...whatever small benefits might be gained are probably outweighed by the subconscious idea that every Muslim is a terrorist that is even invading the minds of professionals that should know better.

Fair enough, in a perfect world, that would not happen, As we both know, we don't live in that world though. I just feel racial profilling to an extent is a tool which can be used effectivly, of course like ever tool it can be abused if someone is out to "get" muslims/blacks/jews/hispanics ect.

We should let computers analize it all, than go from there ;)
 
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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Oh, you guys haven't heard? It's illegal for Muslims to buy cell phones. :roll:

What proof is there, that they are not buying them to resell? My boss is a Muslim, and he buys phones and resells them on Ebay all the time.

Hum, I think I see a way for you to get a promotion.

LOL. The only way I would get a promotion, is if he left the company, since he's at the top, and I'm only one rung down the ladder from him. :)

I might, however, partner up with him and buy a couple thousand cell phones. ;)


If you reported him, he would have to leave the company, and then you'll be on top
 

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: bennylong
I didn't even know there as limit to the # of cell phones you can buy. If a white, asian, or black men bought 1000 cell phones, would the Wal Mart workers have made those phone calls?

I guess if you're a Middle Easterners, don't go buying pre paid cell phone if you don't want to end up in prison for 20 years!

Of course they can buy phones, just not in bulk. After the trademark of explosive devises I can see where they are comming from, sad of course, but the activity of Muslims, and the failure of moderate muslims to speak out against the extremist did this to themselves.

Yeah, and all those guys pulled over for "driving while black" are just getting what was coming to them...why don't they do something about all the crimes other black people commit?

As much as racial profilling is a sad state, it exists for a reason, perhaps people should try and take of that reason first.

I've heard the argument before, and it really doesn't make sense. Yeah, most of the threats today seem to come from radical Muslims, but there is a difference between saying most terrorists are Muslim and most Muslims are terrorists. Racial profiling is a stupid security policy because it results in silly decision making, where watching everyone from the "bad group" is good for security. But even among the profiled group, so few people are criminals that treating them differently makes no sense. The chances that a Muslim buying a lot of phones is a terrorist are only slightly higher than the chances a Christian doing the same thing is a terrorist...among the factors that should be used as warning signs of terrorist activity, racial profiling is among the worst. If it has any value at all, it should be used last to narrow down the list of suspects...mostly because it doesn't really narrow down the list very much at all.

Look at it this way, every innocent Muslim or Arab hassled by cops engaging in racial profiling is one less chance to catch an actual terrorist. If the policy is to just look for activity that is actually suspicious, regardless of race, the chances of catching the bad guys are much better. Once you introduce the idea of being on the lookout for Muslims, every Muslim is going to start looking like a bad guy, and a lot of time is going to go into harassing people who have done nothing wrong. It's just human nature.


There would be a huge waste of time/resources if they centered of every race/religion ect when the majority are commited by a certain demographic. Consider the fact that resources are sretched thin already when just focusing mostly on 1 or 2 demographics. A complete depletion of resrouces when you focus on every demographic would mean you would miss out on many more actually "guilty" people. If even 70% of your targets come from one demographic, you should commit the majority of your resources to that demographic, rather than split it evenly among every demographic for a sense of fairness. It just makes no sense to commit as much resources to say "white people" as you would "muslims" when the incidence of muslims being actually guilty is so much higher.

That's my point, the incidence of Muslims being actually guilty is NOT so much higher. The actual number of terrorists is very, VERY small, the chances of a random Muslim being a terrorist are not statistically higher than the chances of a random Christian being a terrorist.

But yes, as you suggest, it makes little sense to focus on a group where a smaller percentage of people are guilty. And in theory such an approach might work, but as I suggested, the way human nature works suggests to me that if "being Muslim" is treated as a method of filtering out the bad guys, it's very hard for people to give that factor the due considering it deserves...which is almost none at all. I'm not suggesting the solution is to be equal opportunity investigators, I'm saying that race and religion should simply be ignored during investigations...whatever small benefits might be gained are probably outweighed by the subconscious idea that every Muslim is a terrorist that is even invading the minds of professionals that should know better.

Fair enough, in a perfect world, that would not happen, As we both know, we don't live in that world though. I just feel racial profilling to an extent is a tool which can be used effectivly, of course like ever tool it can be abused if someone is out to "get" muslims/blacks/jews/hispanics ect.

We should let computers analize it all, than go from there ;)

Actually, data mining proposals are at the heart of a lot of "new intelligence" ideas...but I don't think they will be too effective. The problem is that a small enough group of people will not stand out from the general population in a statistically significant way. If the group you are trying to filter out is large enough, certain group traits will emerge that uniquely identify members of that group. But with very small groups, those traits are still far more likely to belong to people outside of the group than to people inside. The computerized CAPPS program used to identify "dangerous" airline passengers is a good example of why this idea doesn't really work too well.

It's a hard problem...I think the best approach is to hire good, smart people and give them few instructions...they are far more likely to come up with something that works for them than if you gave them a book of rules and things to look for. I think we'd do better with airport security if we trashed the procedural aspects of it like "screening" and instead spent money to hire smart people with good situational awareness and just let them wander around the airport.
 

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Originally posted by: bennylong
3 more Muslim Middle Easterners from Michigan were arrested yesterday for buying hundreds of cell phone.

They used the same excuse as the ones that were arrested this week in OH, FL, TX, and GA, claimining they were going to re-sell for profit.

8-22-2006 is leading to something very big from the Muslim community


Yep more racism directed at Arabs for buying cell phones and trying to make a living. I guess they should start arresting every single businessman in the US that looks like a middle easterner because they might be funneling their money to Hezbollah. In fact in the interest of saving those precious Israeli lives, all Muslims should be put in internment camps until this war on terror is finished (in a hundred years or so), after all it will keep Israel safe--I'm sure some Israelis like Samur and his fellow anti-Muslim bigots like Zebo and RichardE just got a hard-on at the thought of that.
 

bennylong

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: bennylong
3 more Muslim Middle Easterners from Michigan were arrested yesterday for buying hundreds of cell phone.

They used the same excuse as the ones that were arrested this week in OH, FL, TX, and GA, claimining they were going to re-sell for profit.

8-22-2006 is leading to something very big from the Muslim community


Yep more racism directed at Arabs for buying cell phones and trying to make a living. I guess they should start arresting every single businessman in the US that looks like a middle easterner because they might be funneling their money to Hezbollah. In fact in the interest of saving those precious Israeli lives, all Muslims should be put in internment camps until this war on terror is finished (in a hundred years or so), after all it will keep Israel safe--I'm sure some Israelis like Samur and his fellow anti-Muslim bigots like Zebo and RichardE just got a hard-on at the thought of that.

Why do people hate Israel?