3 lcd battle

[idiotekniQues]

well i am graduating from college shortly so i am grabbing an lcd monitor for my present.

i have narrowed down to the following three monitors

the NEC 20WMGX2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002320

the Dell 2407WFP http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod...spx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-4335

or the Samsung 244T

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001222

two important things ill be doing is gaming and photo editing. so i need accurate color reproduction but also gaming power. id prefer a monitor that could do other resolutions with my 8800gts so i can game at different resolutions without it lookin like shite. that is the hardest information to find it seems,

any suggestions?

 

[Snakexor]

nec

 

[Matt2]

NEC if you want the absolute best quality.

However I went from a 20.1" 1680x1050 S-IPS monitor to a 24" 1920x1200 S-PVA monitor. Although the 24" is a lower quality panel, I would never ever go back to anything smaller.

 

[hans007]

well the 2 24" monitors are PMVA and the nec is s-ips which is much much better color wise.

the main drawback is its 20". if you want 1920x1200 and IPS , get one of the 23" panels, using an lg phillips panel like the HP one.

 

[postmortemIA]

4" is huge difference.

 

[Painman]

NEC 2490/2690 = best of both worlds. Expensive, but they got it all. Besides, you're graduating. Don't you deserve it?

 

[idiotekniQues]

well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

i really dont think you can run 1:1 mapping on most monitors.

most of them have pretty good upscalers. i have a 20wmgx2 and it seems to look ok when i run a lower res. most $200 + vid cards can run games at 1680x1050 anyway so that is one advantage the 20" has over the 24s.

1:1 mapping doesnt exist. unless you had say a 1920x1200 adn ran 800x600 on it, then it'd be 4:1

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
4" is huge difference.

Well that average is 5-6.

 

[idiotekniQues]

can anybody give me an idea of how much better the NEC colors would be?

ill be getting a calibrator no matter which panel i get

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: hans007
well the 2 24" monitors are PMVA and the nec is s-ips which is much much better color wise.

the main drawback is its 20". if you want 1920x1200 and IPS , get one of the 23" panels, using an lg phillips panel like the HP one.

Actually 8 bit P-MVA panels produce very good colours,IPS are slightly better in colour but not that great,I would rather take the extra 4 inches and the nice blacks that P-MVA panels produce,also monitor colour calibration software like ColorVision Spyder2Express can make a big difference too.
My vote would be BenQ FP241WZ ,very nice 24" panel,good colours ,good allrounder, 1:1 Pixel Mapping,HDMI etc..(yes I know its not on your list ).

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

i really dont think you can run 1:1 mapping on most monitors.

most of them have pretty good upscalers. i have a 20wmgx2 and it seems to look ok when i run a lower res. most $200 + vid cards can run games at 1680x1050 anyway so that is one advantage the 20" has over the 24s.

1:1 mapping doesnt exist. unless you had say a 1920x1200 adn ran 800x600 on it, then it'd be 4:1

Huh!?

1:1 pixel mapping does indeed exist.

The Dell 2407WFP Rev A04 and 2007WFP have 1:1 pixel mapping, as does the BenQ 24" and the Gateway 24".

 

[Matt2]

Also, I dont know about the Sammy but I thought the 2407WFP used the same S-PVA panel that the Gateway 24" uses??

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

i really dont think you can run 1:1 mapping on most monitors.

most of them have pretty good upscalers. i have a 20wmgx2 and it seems to look ok when i run a lower res. most $200 + vid cards can run games at 1680x1050 anyway so that is one advantage the 20" has over the 24s.

1:1 mapping doesnt exist. unless you had say a 1920x1200 adn ran 800x600 on it, then it'd be 4:1

Huh!?

1:1 pixel mapping does indeed exist.

The Dell 2407WFP Rev A04 and 2007WFP have 1:1 pixel mapping, as does the BenQ 24" and the Gateway 24".

...yeah my Gateway 24" does it even for analog signal... Very helpful.

 

[idiotekniQues]

its down to the dell vs the nec.

2 very different monitors. somehow i think that the american dream to go big may win here.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Also, I dont know about the Sammy but I thought the 2407WFP used the same S-PVA panel that the Gateway 24" uses??

Yep I believe they are are S-PVA.The BenQ I meantioned in my previous post is a P-MVA.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
its down to the dell vs the nec.

2 very different monitors. somehow i think that the american dream to go big may win here.

Get the Dell 2407WFP.

It's a good monitor with a good panel. You'll regret getting the 20.1" and end up getting the 24" down the road anyway like I did.

 

[idiotekniQues]

are there any good 22" monitors that dont use TN panels?

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

i really dont think you can run 1:1 mapping on most monitors.

most of them have pretty good upscalers. i have a 20wmgx2 and it seems to look ok when i run a lower res. most $200 + vid cards can run games at 1680x1050 anyway so that is one advantage the 20" has over the 24s.

1:1 mapping doesnt exist. unless you had say a 1920x1200 adn ran 800x600 on it, then it'd be 4:1

Huh!?

1:1 pixel mapping does indeed exist.

The Dell 2407WFP Rev A04 and 2007WFP have 1:1 pixel mapping, as does the BenQ 24" and the Gateway 24".

depoends what you mean by 1:1. its going to have to scale the pixels to fit it. at least the edges of some pixels will be spread onto 2 pixels etc.


im pretty sure almost every lcd can scale in some way, that doesnt mean each pixel of say a 1280x800 image is going to perfectly be on the edges of a pixel on a 1920x1200 screen. some will be split in half and some sort of scaler will have to do some magic on it to make it look right, but almost all lcds can do some sort of scaling, the only way it can be 1:1 is if its exactly some ratio of monitor pixels to image pixels.

so like 800x600 , fits exactly onto a 1600x1200 monitor , since its 4 pixels on the monitor for 1 image pixel.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

i really dont think you can run 1:1 mapping on most monitors.

most of them have pretty good upscalers. i have a 20wmgx2 and it seems to look ok when i run a lower res. most $200 + vid cards can run games at 1680x1050 anyway so that is one advantage the 20" has over the 24s.

1:1 mapping doesnt exist. unless you had say a 1920x1200 adn ran 800x600 on it, then it'd be 4:1

Huh!?

1:1 pixel mapping does indeed exist.

The Dell 2407WFP Rev A04 and 2007WFP have 1:1 pixel mapping, as does the BenQ 24" and the Gateway 24".

depoends what you mean by 1:1. its going to have to scale the pixels to fit it. at least the edges of some pixels will be spread onto 2 pixels etc.


im pretty sure almost every lcd can scale in some way, that doesnt mean each pixel of say a 1280x800 image is going to perfectly be on the edges of a pixel on a 1920x1200 screen. some will be split in half and some sort of scaler will have to do some magic on it to make it look right, but almost all lcds can do some sort of scaling, the only way it can be 1:1 is if its exactly some ratio of monitor pixels to image pixels.

so like 800x600 , fits exactly onto a 1600x1200 monitor , since its 4 pixels on the monitor for 1 image pixel.

By 1:1 pixel mapping I mean the monitor doesnt scale the image at all.

If you set the resolution to 1600x1200 on a 1920x1200 monitor, you're only going to see the 1600x1200 picture with black bars on the sides. Likewise, if you set the resolution 1680x1050, you're going to see the picture with black bars on top and on the sides.

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
well i have a 21" crt now so a 20" lcd should be on a similar overall screen size taking into account the widescreen?

and how much worse off would u say the colors are from the two non s-ips panels comparatively?

also, which monitors can handle 1:1 pixel mapping so i can run games at lower resolutions than the native without lookin funny?

ill goto the store to see the size difference in person since i know it is huge. if the color quality is that much better, that may seal the deal.

that nec 2490 is wayyyy too expensive lol , but drool!

i really dont think you can run 1:1 mapping on most monitors.

most of them have pretty good upscalers. i have a 20wmgx2 and it seems to look ok when i run a lower res. most $200 + vid cards can run games at 1680x1050 anyway so that is one advantage the 20" has over the 24s.

1:1 mapping doesnt exist. unless you had say a 1920x1200 adn ran 800x600 on it, then it'd be 4:1

Huh!?

1:1 pixel mapping does indeed exist.

The Dell 2407WFP Rev A04 and 2007WFP have 1:1 pixel mapping, as does the BenQ 24" and the Gateway 24".

depoends what you mean by 1:1. its going to have to scale the pixels to fit it. at least the edges of some pixels will be spread onto 2 pixels etc.


im pretty sure almost every lcd can scale in some way, that doesnt mean each pixel of say a 1280x800 image is going to perfectly be on the edges of a pixel on a 1920x1200 screen. some will be split in half and some sort of scaler will have to do some magic on it to make it look right, but almost all lcds can do some sort of scaling, the only way it can be 1:1 is if its exactly some ratio of monitor pixels to image pixels.

so like 800x600 , fits exactly onto a 1600x1200 monitor , since its 4 pixels on the monitor for 1 image pixel.

As Matt2 said, 1:1 means there's no scalling, but using native resolution and black bars to cover pixel difference. And 800x600 looks stil lawful, because upscaling algorithm, used instead 1:1 mapping, doesn't care for exact 4:1 ratio.

 

[idiotekniQues]

so there are no non-TN 22" displays that are comparable to the above mentioned panels in quality?

 

[kmmatney]

The NEC has smaller pixels, and I've found that monitors with smaller pixels look better at non-native resolutions (when forced to scale). However my eyes also can't handle the small pixel size of the 20" panels so I had to get rid of mine, and I bought a 22" instead. Something to keep in mond - the smaller pixels on a 20" LCD - the 24" panels have slightly bigger pixels which are easier on a lot of people's eyes.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I am actually in the same boat, but I am trying to decide between 5 LCDs right now:

NEC 20WMGX2: $500, but for an S-IPS panel and an LCD monitor that comes highly recommended.

Dell 2007WFP: If I play the Dell panel lottery, I can get a 20.1" S-IPS panel for nearly $200 less than the NEC

Dell 2407WFP: 24" seems to be all the rage right now, and this is the budget option of the 24" crop.

BENQ FP241WZ: Probably the best 24" option available at the moment, but also the most expensive, and well outside my budget.

Samsung 226BW: Sweet spot of performance and size, but a TN panel.

 

[krotchy]

I have a 2407 and have no regrets whatsoever. Beautiful to watch HD videos on, and it plays upscaled media quite well in video lan, plus games look glorious.