3 cops shot by 92 year old woman

[newmachineoverlord]

This is exactly why I have flamethrowers set to incinerate anyone who passes through my front door without entering the security code first, and beartraps hidden in the snow outside my windows, as well as just inside my windows. She was well within her rights to shoot the three intruders who broke into her house, and it's a darn shame she didn't kill them.

Police should not be allowed to serve warrants while not in uniform. An officer who has failed to prove that he is an officer is not an officer. This is why all three officers are guilty of and should be convicted of murder in the first degree. The only reason not to wear a uniform while serving an arrest warrant would be if you wanted to provoke them into shooting as an excuse to shoot them.

Of course they shouldn't have been issued warrants for something as trivial and harmless as drug trafficking anyways, that's a terrible misuse of resources. Even if she was dealing drugs, that is no moral justification for breaking into her house. This country would be much better off if every DEA were to DIAF. http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2006/11/6/211332/229

 

[ChiPCGuy]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
I am impressed that granny managed to hit all three officers as effectively as she did. One would definitely be dead if not for the soft body armor he was wearing. Obviously, she was not expecting soft body armor on the assailants (in this case said assailants being cops).

Now, had this been me all three officers would be DEAD. Here is why...

I don't keep a loaded hand gun for home defense. I keep a loaded AR-15A2 carbine with a 30 round mag of military ball M-193 ammo loaded to 3,300 FPS. Nothing short of level IV body armor will stop it.

Now, for my take on this situation....

The cops are in serious doo-doo here. It appears this will result in the loss of their jobs or possibly even criminal charges for them, based on what we know so far.

Now, for the alternate ending. What if granny had been me and I managed to take them all out before they got me? Would I be going up for murder? Possibly not, considering some cases in the last number of years where it turned out the jury voted NOT GUILTY when officers in plain clothes conduct a "no knock" search warrant in plain clothes and don't identify themselves and then find themselves out-gunned and then injured and/or dead. Case in point=Randy Weaver's friend Kevin Harris who shot the US Marshall after said US Marshall shot Randy Weaver's son in the back. NOT GUILTY.

It is permissible to defend your life and use deadly force on police officers if said officers are in the process of committing a criminal act or an act where the rules were not followed.

And the winner of the award for 2006's Biggest E-Peen goes to . . .

Nice attack. Why? I am just outlining that no knock search warrants are very dangerous for everyone involved. Obviously, very dangerous in this case for the cops that were injured and the old woman who is dead. Were the cops shooting in self defense justifed resulting in her death? No--not in a legal sense--they did not appear to have followed the rules.

However, the situation could have turned out dramatically different where the officers would have found themselves seriously over-matched and it would be equally unfortunate for everyone involved. I gave an example of my level of firepower on hand and my level of firepower is not that unusual for an American gun owner, and how this level of firepower can and WOULD be brought to bear upon three armed men coming through MY DOOR unannounced. I would shoot first, believe me, and I would most likely win.

These no-knock warrants need to be seriously thought out and much more regulated in use or even eliminated. Very bad things can and do happen as a result.

 

[ChiPCGuy]

Originally posted by: newmachineoverlord
This is exactly why I have flamethrowers set to incinerate anyone who passes through my front door without entering the security code first, and beartraps hidden in the snow outside my windows, as well as just inside my windows. She was well within her rights to shoot the three intruders who broke into her house, and it's a darn shame she didn't kill them.

Police should not be allowed to serve warrants while not in uniform. An officer who has failed to prove that he is an officer is not an officer. This is why all three officers are guilty of and should be convicted of murder in the first degree. The only reason not to wear a uniform while serving an arrest warrant would be if you wanted to provoke them into shooting as an excuse to shoot them.

Of course they shouldn't have been issued warrants for something as trivial and harmless as drug trafficking anyways, that's a terrible misuse of resources. Even if she was dealing drugs, that is no moral justification for breaking into her house. This country would be much better off if every DEA were to DIAF. http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2006/11/6/211332/229

Nice troll attempt!

1. The whole incident is unfortunate.
2. Granny HAD EVERY RIGHT to open fire. No drugs in house. Law-abiding citizen defending herself.
3. The cops HAD EVERY RIGHT to return fire. They were defending their lives. They are still guilty of criminal acts, however, by the attempted coverup and lies.
4. The system is the most guilty of all.

That is why the whole thing is so fvcked up.

I am just outlining that there are folks out there where it would be a very real mistake to perform a no-knock warrant on. Get my address mixed up with someone else, and make the mistake of a no-knock warrant on my house and suffer the consequences.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Duuno if there is another thread on this, but an article a few days ago said a lot of the information used to obtain the warrant was made up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/12/us/12...ewan,%20Shaila&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

The officers falsely claimed that a confidential informant had bought $50 worth of crack at the house, the team member, Gregg Junnier, told the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Mr. Junnier retired from the Atlanta Police Department last week.

The paper, signed by Officer J. R. Smith, one of the three officers who made the arrest, claimed that a buy had been made from a dealer named Sam, and that a ?no-knock? warrant was needed because Sam had security cameras outside the house ? another detail that was fabricated, according to the accounts of what Mr. Junnier told the F.B.I.

 

[NuroMancer]

Originally posted by: KK
I don't fault the police for returning fire, I fault who ever issued that search warrant. Yes there may be more to this story, but looking at it from just the story given, there is room to be pissed.

 

[tomywishbone]

Three cops executed an old lady. The end.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy
I am impressed that granny managed to hit all three officers as effectively as she did. One would definitely be dead if not for the soft body armor he was wearing. Obviously, she was not expecting soft body armor on the assailants (in this case said assailants being cops).

Now, had this been me all three officers would be DEAD. Here is why...

I don't keep a loaded hand gun for home defense. I keep a loaded AR-15A2 carbine with a 30 round mag of military ball M-193 ammo loaded to 3,300 FPS. Nothing short of level IV body armor will stop it.

Now, for my take on this situation....

The cops are in serious doo-doo here. It appears this will result in the loss of their jobs or possibly even criminal charges for them, based on what we know so far.

Now, for the alternate ending. What if granny had been me and I managed to take them all out before they got me? Would I be going up for murder? Possibly not, considering some cases in the last number of years where it turned out the jury voted NOT GUILTY when officers in plain clothes conduct a "no knock" search warrant in plain clothes and don't identify themselves and then find themselves out-gunned and then injured and/or dead. Case in point=Randy Weaver's friend Kevin Harris who shot the US Marshall after said US Marshall shot Randy Weaver's son in the back. NOT GUILTY.

It is permissible to defend your life and use deadly force on police officers if said officers are in the process of committing a criminal act or an act where the rules were not followed.

And the winner of the award for 2006's Biggest E-Peen goes to . . .

Nice attack. Why? I am just outlining that no knock search warrants are very dangerous for everyone involved. Obviously, very dangerous in this case for the cops that were injured and the old woman who is dead. Were the cops shooting in self defense justifed resulting in her death? No--not in a legal sense--they did not appear to have followed the rules.

However, the situation could have turned out dramatically different where the officers would have found themselves seriously over-matched and it would be equally unfortunate for everyone involved. I gave an example of my level of firepower on hand and my level of firepower is not that unusual for an American gun owner, and how this level of firepower can and WOULD be brought to bear upon three armed men coming through MY DOOR unannounced. I would shoot first, believe me, and I would most likely win.

These no-knock warrants need to be seriously thought out and much more regulated in use or even eliminated. Very bad things can and do happen as a result.

I completely agree with this post. No uniform = burglar as far as i'm concerned.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: ChiPCGuy

Originally posted by: newmachineoverlord
This is exactly why I have flamethrowers set to incinerate anyone who passes through my front door without entering the security code first, and beartraps hidden in the snow outside my windows, as well as just inside my windows. She was well within her rights to shoot the three intruders who broke into her house, and it's a darn shame she didn't kill them.

Police should not be allowed to serve warrants while not in uniform. An officer who has failed to prove that he is an officer is not an officer. This is why all three officers are guilty of and should be convicted of murder in the first degree. The only reason not to wear a uniform while serving an arrest warrant would be if you wanted to provoke them into shooting as an excuse to shoot them.

Of course they shouldn't have been issued warrants for something as trivial and harmless as drug trafficking anyways, that's a terrible misuse of resources. Even if she was dealing drugs, that is no moral justification for breaking into her house. This country would be much better off if every DEA were to DIAF. http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2006/11/6/211332/229

Nice troll attempt!

1. The whole incident is unfortunate.
2. Granny HAD EVERY RIGHT to open fire. No drugs in house. Law-abiding citizen defending herself.
3. The cops HAD EVERY RIGHT to return fire. They were defending their lives. They are still guilty of criminal acts, however, by the attempted coverup and lies.
4. The system is the most guilty of all.

That is why the whole thing is so fvcked up.

I am just outlining that there are folks out there where it would be a very real mistake to perform a no-knock warrant on. Get my address mixed up with someone else, and make the mistake of a no-knock warrant on my house and suffer the consequences.

uh huh. And what do you think is going to happen to you after you kill 3 cops ? You think the next wave is going to ask you to come out quietly ?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Three cops executed an old lady. The end.

When she opened fire on them, that sealed it.