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3,06 P4 and other components

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jermu

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I'm going to buy new machine and i have planned something like this:

Intel p4 3,06GHz
Asus P4T533-C
Seagate 120Gb Barracuda ATA V
Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro 128mb agp
Samsung 19" TFT Syncmaster 191T silver
Lite-On 52x24x52x cdrw
16X DVD
SB Audigy
Creative Labs Inspire 4.1 4400
Keytronic 2001 Ergo Force
Logitech MX500
2 x 256 RDRAM 1066MHz

So what do you think, will it work? What should i change?
Is it horrible to play fps games with that 19" tft?
 
Looks good, i think i tried one of those monitors at the store playing Medal of Honor and looked good but not long enough to base your decision on. One think i would change is the speaker choice, the rest of your system looks top of the line should get top of the line speakers to. I would get the Klipsch 4.1 system, its price is way down to $199 now at Best Buy and Circut City. But with both of these items the most important opinion is your own, if you havent already I would go to a store and try them out myself and compair.
 
Hello. When assembling computers, things may not go as smoothly as you may be thinking. I get the sense that this may be your first self-build. In any case, with so many components, it may be better to let someone else deal with the headache of putting it together. Then later you can make your own additions, like a new graphics card, hard drive, etc. But enough about that, I'll now give some information:

- LCD monitors are not good for games. Even with better respose times, you still have to deal with the fact that it looks like a giant laptop screen. And annoying dead pixels are probable. Pick the Hitachi CM721F 19" Flat CRT monitor.

- Even though the ATI 9700 Pro is faster than a GeForce4 Ti 4600, there is a higher probability that a game will either act up or not work at all with a ATI 9700 Pro. Here it's a toss up, it depends how much you value performance over stability.

- It would be better to go with a Intel Pentium4 2.66 (533MHz FSB) at this point. Then, if you so choose, you could get this P4 2.66 from 3.1 to 3.2GHz simply by FSB-overclocking. Though, the P4 2.66 is plenty fast without overclocking.

- Pick the turtle beach santa cruz sound card over the creative sound card.

- Western Digital Special Edition hard drives are the fastest ATA hard drives available.

- Ditto on the Klipsch 4.1 speakers.

- Microsoft Office Keyboard and Microsoft Optical Intellimouse

- Enermax 430W Power Supply

- I would wait 1-2 weeks for a Granite Bay (a.k.a. E7205) or SiS 655 based motherboard instead of investing in RDRAM - a technology on life support.

Most/All products purchasable from NewEgg.
 
I'm not going to put it together myself, I'm just gonna decide the parts.
My current machine is 1,7GHz p4, 512rdram and so on and I also chose the components of this machine by myself... so I don't consider myself as a total newbie...

I'm going to buy tft because the quality of the picture is better (in my opinion) and it looks nice and doesn't need so much room. I just wonder if tft makes fps-gaming impossible. My current monitor is 19" Nokia 930C which has refreshrate of 92Hz while running 1600x1200. I know that Radeons had problems with drivers, but i have also heard that 9700 no longer has them. The 3,06GHz p4 because I want the fastest processor on market and I won't overclock it.

P4T533-C is faster than ddr-motherboards and it also beats the Granite Bay motherboards or it's a tie. So I think that that Asus with 1066MHz rimm's is good even though it doesn't have for example 8xAGP...
 
Originally posted by: jermu
I'm not going to put it together myself, I'm just gonna decide the parts.
My current machine is 1,7GHz p4, 512rdram and so on and I also chose the components of this machine by myself... so I don't consider myself as a total newbie...

I'm going to buy tft because the quality of the picture is better (in my opinion) and it looks nice and doesn't need so much room. I just wonder if tft makes fps-gaming impossible. My current monitor is 19" Nokia 930C which has refreshrate of 92Hz while running 1600x1200. I know that Radeons had problems with drivers, but i have also heard that 9700 no longer has them. The 3,06GHz p4 because I want the fastest processor on market and I won't overclock it.

P4T533-C is faster than ddr-motherboards and it also beats the Granite Bay motherboards or it's a tie. So I think that that Asus with 1066MHz rimm's is good even though it doesn't have for example 8xAGP...
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Hello again. Well, in this case, I would say that their is no reason why this computer won't function. Good luck, jermu.
 
A few tips from me when putting together a system:

-Buy the highest quality peripherals (Speakers, monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc.). You will get a much longer life out of any of these component than anything inside of your computer.

-The CPU does not need to be top of the line. Sacrifice a little bit of CPU power in exchange for more memory and a more powerful video card. You will find those two pieces of hardware make more of a difference than 200MHz of extra CPU power.

-Don't buy the latest anything. Buy at least one step behind the flagship product. You will save a lot of money that way. Of course, it seems like you have a bit of money to put together such a nice system, but everyone likes to save a little cash.

Now, for some comments more specific to your system configuration. I don't thing 1GB of memory is necessary, though 756MB wouldn't be too bad of an idea. In Anadtech's review of your monitor, he mentions that ghosting is intense over grey. This could be annoying when trying to play games. However, I suggest you try the monitor out yourself first. I don't like Creative's soundcards. The Audigy seems ok, but I like the Acoustic Edge better. I have the AE, and I have tried my friend's Audigy in my system. The AE just sounds better to me. The Audigy's positional audio is perhaps slightly better, but music sounds more rich and clear on the AE. Creative is somewhat lacking int he support department as well. Everything else in your system looks excellent. I think you will enjoy your system a lot.
 


- It would be better to go with a Intel Pentium4 2.66 (533MHz FSB) at this point. Then, if you so choose, you could get this P4 2.66 from 3.1 to 3.2GHz simply by FSB-overclocking. Though, the P4 2.66 is plenty fast without overclocking.
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Hmmm, The only reason I see to go with the 3.06ghz p4 is that it has Hyper-Threading, however, I am not sure if the p4t533-C has hyperthreading support...You might need a granite bay board to get HT support with the 3.06ghz p4 chip. Correct me if I'm wrong someone, I'd love to know if the P4T533-C has HT support, because I own it 🙂

Hyper-Threading probably won't help much with games, but you could see up to 25% improvements in development apps (database, photoshop, etc.) and also multi-tasking (I'm pretty sure). Since you're looking for top of the line here, I'd definitely go with HT, it's also an infant technology and only stands to improve over time as more software/hardware supports it.

Oh and by the way, the P4T533-C is a quality, stable board, it's not very overclock friendly, but since you are not overclocking anyways, this should not be a problem.

As for the audigy vs Santa Cruz, its a toss-up but the audigy is newer and more widely supported, and I'm pretty sure you would not be able to notice a difference how each of them sounds.
 
The Asus P4T533-C board does have hyperthreading support as most newer boards do, you might need to update the BIOS. You can see it posted plainly at Asus website here.

And for the matter of overclocking, actually the P4T533-C is one of the best using RDRAM.
 
Originally posted by: DX2Player
Originally posted by: Yield
I'd only add a gig of RAM instead of 512. that's all.. your list rocks..
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No need to have over 512 for most circumstances
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Not meaning to argue, but with that system I would thin khe won't be upgrading for quite a long time, and I would suggest the gig of ram. He may not need it now, but it seems that the amount of ram that is decent doubles every 1-2 years... so if he holds on to that for a while he will still be all set 🙂
 
Very pricey system, but very good nevertheless.

Although I'd say you shold look at the P4T533 (non -C). They both support HT, but the P4T533 uses 32bit RIMMs instead of 16 bit ones. Also, why not go for an Audigy2? They are significantly better than Audigy 1's.
 
Hei
since you are spending so much Cash
Why not wait a little........
With such an awesome budget you could get the following ::

NV30??... if you would agree with halkebul about performance over stability I am sure the NV30 will provide better stability compared to the radeon 9700. However there is the Radeon 9700 by Tyan. It not out yet as for a i know but it looks promissing.

Wait for the Motherboard with SIS655 on it- Dual Channel DDR333. Can't wait to see the benchmarks on it. Pack it with 2 sticks of XMS and you will have a awesome machine. If you cant wait y not go for the Granite Bay. I saw it at newegg. the one by ASUS.. I am sure you will be able to get the mobo and ram cheaper compared to the RD combo.

Western Digital SE 8MB Buffer is the fatest baby out there
but i am not too sure about the warranty period. So far everyone says it performing well. IBM has the 180GB HD with 3 years warranty selling for a price cheaper than the WD and its 8MB buffer too....

 
Originally posted by: Frosty3799
Originally posted by: DX2Player
Originally posted by: Yield
I'd only add a gig of RAM instead of 512. that's all.. your list rocks..
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No need to have over 512 for most circumstances
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Not meaning to argue, but with that system I would thin khe won't be upgrading for quite a long time, and I would suggest the gig of ram. He may not need it now, but it seems that the amount of ram that is decent doubles every 1-2 years... so if he holds on to that for a while he will still be all set 🙂
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I would still only get about 512 unless you have tons of cash to burn because by the time he will need it the memory modules the type of ram he is using will be dirt cheap. And who knows he might opt for new mobo anways in 1-2 years because RAM technology is changing faster than ever. Rambus Yellowstone technology will blow away anything thats being used now starting at 10.4 BG and scaling to over 100GB in bandwith.

 
Does the Radeon 9700 Pro have some compatibility problems? I have heard that "I have had no problems in any games..." and that "Driver problems are history..." but then I also heard "I'm going to change to nVidia because Ati's drivers just don't work and the card has problems...".
So I'm still wondering if I should buy not-so-fast gf4 4600, because I don't want to have problems with my computer. So what do you think? Will I have problems if I get Radeon 9700 Pro?

Is there any difference between for example Hercules 9700 Pro and Powercolor 9700 Pro?

ps. It's all 'bout the problems 🙂
 
For the monitor, I'd go retail. I bought my Samsung SyncMaster 770 17" LCD from CompUSA. I had them set it up on a display machine so I could make sure it didn't have any dead pixels. Newegg, for instance, only accepts LCDs for return with more then 8 dead pixels. Now, after two years, my monitor only has two dead pixels, and one is on the exact edge of the screen at the bottom, although the other is in the middle of the screen.
If you can, try to get a Hitachi LCD monitor. They have some really fast LCD monitors that do not ghost when gaming. Even if you do get an LCD monitor that ghosts a little, you'll get used to it.

For the motherboard, I'd get an Asus P4PE, or wait for Asus's Granite Bay board. If you wait for GB, you can get slower ram, because GB is designed for PC2100 speed DDR266 memory.

And unless you're going to be using Hyper-Threading, I'd get a P4 2.53 or 2.66 and OC.

Definitely ditch the SB Audigy. I'd get a Hercules Fortissimo III, or a Turtle Beach. And definitely Klipsch speakers. 4.1 or 5.1.

I'd keep the hard drive. I have a few Seagate Barracuda IV 80Gigs. Seagate uses fluid bearings in their drives, and they are really quiet. I'm not sure if WD's drives have fluid bearing or not. A lot of drives are coming out with only 1 year warranties. Make sure you buy one with a 3 year warranty or better.
 
Thanks to all who answered!

I have ordered the machine...
3,06GHz won't be available here until next year(at least there's no knowledge that it would be here before Christmas), so I decided to take 2,8GHz p4.
Aus P4T533-C (fastest board available according to tests)
2 x 256 rdram 1066MHz
Samsung 191T silver (at least it looks cool and reviewers have praised it 🙂)
Hercules Radeon 9700 Pro, or if they can't get Hercules in time, then it will be Powercolor.
120Gt Seagate Barracuda
Keytronic Ergo Force
Logitech MX500
Logitech 5.1 540 (or something like that...) speakers
3Com ethernet card
SB Audigy (no need for better)
Lite-On 48x cdrw
Asus 16x DVD
Windows Xp Pro finnish
1.44 mb =)
Mediumtower with silver lining on case
 
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