2x1GB and DFI NF4 Ultra

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Matt2

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So I tried the Patriot LL 2-3-2-5 and got nothing but headaches with my Lan Party.

at DDR400 2-3-2-5 or 2-3-2-7, I got random reboots when loading windows, when I got to windows, running 3dmark 05 and Prime95.

If I loosened the timings to 2.5-3-3-7, the system ran without a hitch overclocked to 217mhz.

The thing is, both sticks memtested through 15 passes each, so they weren't bad sticks.

I need 2x1GB because everything ran so much smoother compared to my 2x512 VXs.

My questions is, what 2x1GB RAM is working for you DFI NF4 users?

OC is not as important to me as timings, so let me know what has worked for you.

Thanks!
 
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Hacp

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Maybe change the bios? You probably have a 2version bios, try to change to either 1 or 3..... That might help.
 
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Matt2

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Too late, I already returned them.

I went through 510-1, 623-1,2,3, 704-1,2 BIOS, same problem all the way through.
 
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my mushkin 2x1gig work great with 5.10-2 bios. these are exceptional sticks and results wouldn't be typical anymore but they run 250 at cl 2.5.

now that mushkin has binned these higher to pc3700 i would say those would be your best bet but they're ~170/gig.

 
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Yeah, i am going to have violently recommend not buying the current Mushkin HP 2x1 GB PC3200 stuff, since it's pretty much pure crap for OCing :(
The PC3700 is great i'm sure, but insanely pricey IMO.

OCZ is likely the best route.
 
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Matt2

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sheesh $170/GB??

A little too rich for my blood. I paid $250 for the Patriot and $275-$300 would be my MAX after taxes, shipping, etc...

The guy at Fry's tried to sell me some TwinX CL2 for $313 after taxes and I was kinda straight.

I either want DDR400 sticks that will run 2-3-2-5 @ DDR400 (Patriots SHOULD have done this, but of course they didnt play nice) OR a modest OC to 217mhz 2.5-3-3-7
 
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Originally posted by: n7
Yeah, i am going to have violently recommend not buying the current Mushkin HP 2x1 GB PC3200 stuff, since it's pretty much pure crap for OCing :(
The PC3700 is great i'm sure, but insanely pricey IMO.

OCZ is likely the best route.
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i still feel bad about that bro. i had no idea mushkin was pulling that crap, nor did anyone else i saw. i wonder if some of them got an rma.

anyway, i too would go with the ocz if you don't want to spend the top shelf money.

edit- n7 where did those top out at anyway? 217mhz @ cl2.5?
 
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Matt2

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I think OCZ Platinum uses the same chips as the PAtriot, TCCC I think, am I gonna have the same probs?
 
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Originally posted by: rise4310
Originally posted by: n7
Yeah, i am going to have violently recommend not buying the current Mushkin HP 2x1 GB PC3200 stuff, since it's pretty much pure crap for OCing :(
The PC3700 is great i'm sure, but insanely pricey IMO.

OCZ is likely the best route.
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i still feel bad about that bro. i had no idea mushkin was pulling that crap, nor did anyone else i saw. i wonder if some of them got an rma.

anyway, i too would go with the ocz if you don't want to spend the top shelf money.

edit- n7 where did those top out at anyway? 217mhz @ cl2.5?
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You made a great recommendation based on what you knew (what we all knew).
I have to admit to being very frustrated with what happened, but i won't be RMAing, since technically, they run at stated specs.
It just blows that at CAS 2.0, they only reach 206 MHz :(
I got them to Windows @ 220 MHz CAS 2.5, that's it. Not sure about stability though.
I couldn't get past 225 any any timings, even 3-4-4.


 
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Matt2

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I guess I'm gonna jump on THIS OCZ Platinum

It's gotta $25 rebate that's good through August 22, which is today. It's only 9:41 here on the west coast, but it's AUgust 23 on the east coast! The rebate is still listed, think it'll still be redeemable??
 
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Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: rise4310
Originally posted by: n7
Yeah, i am going to have violently recommend not buying the current Mushkin HP 2x1 GB PC3200 stuff, since it's pretty much pure crap for OCing :(
The PC3700 is great i'm sure, but insanely pricey IMO.

OCZ is likely the best route.
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i still feel bad about that bro. i had no idea mushkin was pulling that crap, nor did anyone else i saw. i wonder if some of them got an rma.

anyway, i too would go with the ocz if you don't want to spend the top shelf money.

edit- n7 where did those top out at anyway? 217mhz @ cl2.5?
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You made a great recommendation based on what you knew (what we all knew).
I have to admit to being very frustrated with what happened, but i won't be RMAing, since technically, they run at stated specs.
It just blows that at CAS 2.0, they only reach 206 MHz :(
I got them to Windows @ 220 MHz CAS 2.5, that's it. Not sure about stability though.
I couldn't get past 225 any any timings, even 3-4-4.
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Same here, although mine hit about 214 at 2-3-2-7, but when my cpu is overclocked and I'm running the current divider as shown below, I can only hit 2.5-3-2-7 when my FSB is at 200mhz. I think I will RMA these, although they do get good scores. 43ns in everest and 6300 bandwidth in Sandra at specs below
 
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jose

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What were your settings for the Patriot ram ?

HTT, multi, etc..

I have a 3700+ w/ the 2 gig LL Patriot ram and don't have any problems.. I'm running the latest official bios on a SLI-DR mobo..

Regards,
Jose
 
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Originally posted by: Matt2
I guess I'm gonna jump on THIS OCZ Platinum

It's gotta $25 rebate that's good through August 22, which is today. It's only 9:41 here on the west coast, but it's AUgust 23 on the east coast! The rebate is still listed, think it'll still be redeemable??
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I have the same memory in my DFI Ultra-D, I am happy with it right now, I am not real interested in my timings though, I have a stable overclock on my system right now and they don't give me any errors 18 passes no errors on memtest with a 3700+ SD @ 2.85 Mhz.
 
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Unfortunately, now is currently a time of problems for those looking to overclock 1GB sticks.

At the value end the options are slim.

I would have said Crucial Value in light of Mushkin Blue's not having the same capability anymore given they're meant to be speed binned Ballistix (produced on the same manufacturing line/processes). People seem to get 235-250mhz at 3-3-3 timings with V upto 2.8V.

However, over here Crucial value have been going up meaning other sticks may present good value.

Outside of the Mushkin now 3700 sticks, other excellent performers are the Corsair's 3200C2 Pro sticks which seem to be able to do DDR500 at CAS 2.5 timings - check amdzones review of 2048MB shootout.

Currently, I'm still wavering over buying Corsair's 3200C2PT which are somewhat cheaper (on deals in the UK) while hoping they might be made from the same sticks as the Pro series - however, they also share the same timings as the OCZ Platinum and a number of other sticks where speeds tend to cap out around 225-230mhz.

Also something to bear in mind is if you have DFI as you do in your case Corsair should be avoid.

Obviously, that then takes us back to recommending Crucial if you can find a good price for them.

My hope personally, is that the increased prices for Crucial sticks are at least somewhat due to them changing their manufacturing process and thus stocks running low (however it could just be purely seasonal) - moreover, when the new manufacturing processes come online (probably a fab shrink) Crucial sticks might offer additional performance.

Maybe. Just Maybe.

In short, I'd recommend Crucial for the moment if you can't wait. However, of course please check that they are still speed binned Ballistix (ie same fab process designated by a number and letter eg 5D) and still overclock well as obviously we don't want anyone to get burnt here.
 
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Matt2

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Originally posted by: jose
What were your settings for the Patriot ram ?

HTT, multi, etc..

I have a 3700+ w/ the 2 gig LL Patriot ram and don't have any problems.. I'm running the latest official bios on a SLI-DR mobo..

Regards,
Jose
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289x9 = 2.6GHZ

7/10 mem divider. Everest reported memory frequency to be 200mhz on the nose.

I still got random reboots etc...

I loosened the timings to 2.5-3-3-7 and OC'd the PAtriot using 3/4 divider to 217mhz and they worked fine.
 
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Concillian

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It may have more to do with the memory controller, my Venice doesn't seem to like the very high HTT speeds in conjunction with the 1GB sticks, but works fine with 512MB sticks. I originally thought it was the memory, but based on what other people are seeing too, I'm now thinking memory controller.

At lower HTT speeds my 1GB sticks work fine, which makes me suspect something OTHER than the 1GB sticks themselves. Namely the MB or, most likely, the memory controller.

Let us know how you fare with other 1GB sticks, my guess is that it won't be all that different, but here's to hoping it isn't.

I am using the RAM you returned in my DFI NF4-D but I am running 240 HTT / 200 MHz RAM 2-3-2-8-1T
 
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Matt2

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Originally posted by: Concillian
It may have more to do with the memory controller, my Venice doesn't seem to like the very high HTT speeds in conjunction with the 1GB sticks, but works fine with 512MB sticks. I originally thought it was the memory, but based on what other people are seeing too, I'm now thinking memory controller.

At lower HTT speeds my 1GB sticks work fine, which makes me suspect something OTHER than the 1GB sticks themselves. Namely the MB or, most likely, the memory controller.

Let us know how you fare with other 1GB sticks, my guess is that it won't be all that different, but here's to hoping it isn't.

I am using the RAM you returned in my DFI NF4-D but I am running 240 HTT / 200 MHz RAM 2-3-2-8-1T
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INteresting, but that still doesnt explain why they ran fine OCd to 217mhz 2.5-3-3-7-1T, but not at their rated 200mhz 2-3-2-5-1T

Anyhow, this morning I ordered 2x1GB OCZ Platinum 2-3-2-5 for $262 w/ $25 MIR. Pretty good deal, free shipping too!

 
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