2x 7900 GTO vs 9800 GTX+ vs GTX 200 series

EvilRage

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I've had the two 7900 GTOs for almost 2 and a half years now, and I'm starting to game again and hurting for a new card (or two). The Hot Deals thread for the 9800 GTX+ is tempting me into getting one of those, but what is the performance like relative to what I already have? Is it worth it to replace my two cards with the single 9800 GTX+, or will the difference be more subtle? If the latter, I'll probably go GTX 200, but then again, if two 9800 GTX+ cards can outperform a single GTX 200 series card, why not buy the 9800 GTX+ now and upgrade for cheap in a month or two?

Thoughts?
 

Insomniator

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I'm not gonna bother looking at benchmarks, but I'm going to say a single 9800GTX would blow away two, three, four or ten 7900GTO's.
 

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You've got a single core CPU and 2GB of RAM. If I were you, I wouldn't bother upgrading until a complete system overhaul, with a new CPU. Dual 9800GTX+s or any GTX2xx card will be greatly held back by your CPU. Even with a single 9800GTX+, your CPU will be a noticeable bottleneck.
 

EvilRage

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Originally posted by: vj8usa
You've got a single core CPU and 2GB of RAM. If I were you, I wouldn't bother upgrading until a complete system overhaul, with a new CPU. Dual 9800GTX+s or any GTX2xx card will be greatly held back by your CPU. Even with a single 9800GTX+, your CPU will be a noticeable bottleneck.

Errr... I need to upgrade that page.

Currently running Vista x64, 4GB RAM, QX6850
 

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
Originally posted by: vj8usa
You've got a single core CPU and 2GB of RAM. If I were you, I wouldn't bother upgrading until a complete system overhaul, with a new CPU. Dual 9800GTX+s or any GTX2xx card will be greatly held back by your CPU. Even with a single 9800GTX+, your CPU will be a noticeable bottleneck.

Errr... I need to upgrade that page.

Currently running Vista x64, 4GB RAM, QX6850

Ah, I see. In that case, a 9800GTX+ would give a pretty decent boost in performance. I'm pretty sure a pair of 7900GTOs is pretty close to a pair of 7900GTXs in performance. In some cases, they could get reasonably close to an 8800GTX's level of performance, but at other times they'd fall way behind. You'd certainly get much more consistent performance with a 9800 or GTX series card.

What games do you play/want to play?
 

EvilRage

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Originally posted by: vj8usa
I'm pretty sure a pair of 7900GTOs is pretty close to a pair of 7900GTXs in performance.
I'm pretty sure of that as well - I remember reading an article when I bought them (and again recently) that basically said they were GTX's with downclocked RAM and lower voltages - lots of people were able to OC them to get GTX performance out of them. Googling '7900 GTO GTX' for example turns up results on how to turn the GTO into a GTX using various methods.

Originally posted by: vj8usa
What games do you play/want to play?
Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3, FarCry 2, Starcraft 2 (when it's released I'll be playing this nonstop).

I have a Dell 2405WFP so playing in 1900x1200 is a must, which is why I'm looking at the higher-performance cards.
 

error8

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A 9800GTX+ would probably offer some performance improvement over your current SLI, but a GTX 200 would be even better. I'd say take a look at a GTX 260 C216 or 4870 1 gb. They are the "most wanted" these days. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
I've had the two 7900 GTOs for almost 2 and a half years now, and I'm starting to game again and hurting for a new card (or two). The Hot Deals thread for the 9800 GTX+ is tempting me into getting one of those, but what is the performance like relative to what I already have? Is it worth it to replace my two cards with the single 9800 GTX+, or will the difference be more subtle? If the latter, I'll probably go GTX 200, but then again, if two 9800 GTX+ cards can outperform a single GTX 200 series card, why not buy the 9800 GTX+ now and upgrade for cheap in a month or two?

Thoughts?

Depends on what resolution but 2 9800gtx usually outpace GTX 285. Only in vram limited situations the GTX 285 prevails.

A single 9800gtx would easily outpace 2 GTO. Newer games it would be substantial amount of improvements.
 

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Originally posted by: yh125d
I'd spring for a GTX260 216sp meself

GTX 260 is better than 9800gtx+ for AA but in raw frame rates it's not much difference.

Is that worth 2x the price?
 

error8

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Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: yh125d
I'd spring for a GTX260 216sp meself

GTX 260 is better than 9800gtx+ for AA but in raw frame rates it's not much difference.

Is that worth 2x the price?

Yeah. :laugh:
 

yh125d

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Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: yh125d
I'd spring for a GTX260 216sp meself

GTX 260 is better than 9800gtx+ for AA but in raw frame rates it's not much difference.

Is that worth 2x the price?

To SLI with the one I have yeah
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: yh125d
I'd spring for a GTX260 216sp meself

GTX 260 is better than 9800gtx+ for AA but in raw frame rates it's not much difference.

Is that worth 2x the price?

Yeah. :laugh:

With the rez he's ganna play at and with some AA where the 9800GTX+ 256bit bus hinders it, it would be worth it.
 

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SHORT STORY: The 9800GTX+ would offer you a significant performance improvement over your 7900GTO SLI setup. This performance improvement would be greatest in shader-intensive games, with which the G71-series of cards had poor performance due to its traditional pipeline architecture. In older games, this improvement may be unnoticeable but a 7900GTO SLI setup should be able to handle older games with minimal problems anyway so the point would be moot.

LONG STORY:

Blast to the past! For your reference:

- A 7900GTO is a 7900GTX with slower memory (1320MHz versus 1600MHz). Performance is slightly slower than the 7900GTX.
- A 9800GTX+ is slightly faster than a 9800GTX, which itself is roughly equivalent to an 8800GTX (faster core but slower and less memory).
- An 8800GTX is roughly equivalent to two X1950 XTX's in Crossfire.

In older games, an X1950 XTX is roughly equivalent to a 7900GTX at worst and somewhat faster than a 7900GTX at best. Thus, in older games, you could expect a 9800GTX to give you performance moderately superior to two 7900GTO's in SLI at worst.

But screw all that. It's no longer 2005 and this is a new era with shaders and high resolutions. A 7900GTO is capable of powering most games from 2005 at maximum settings, 4x AA/16x AF, 1600x1200. I would know; I had a 512MB 7900GT overclocked to 7900GTX settings myself a few years ago. But I ditched it for a supposedly-slower X1900 XT 512MB shortly afterwards. Why? The new wave of shader-intensive games was really putting the hurt on G71, which only had 24 dedicated pixel shaders. R580 had 48 dedicated pixel shaders. Even though it was a little slower in older games which needed texturing units, the X1900 XT 512MB was around 30% faster than the 7900GTX in "Oblivion" outdoors while the X1950 Pro had roughly the same performance. That was a taste of things to come. Then "Need for Speed: Carbon" was released.

"Need for Speed: Carbon" used pixel shaders for motion blur and other neat effects. With all the settings maxed out, the X1950 Pro was about 33% faster than the 7950GT, which itself was about as fast as the 7900GTO and almost as fast as the 7900GTX. The X1950 Pro was about half the price of the 7900GTX but had 36 dedicated pixel shaders. At that point I sold my G71 card and bought an X1900 XT.

When the 8800GTX was released, it had roughly twice the performance of the X1950 XTX and everybody forgot about the 7900GTX. There was considerable attention focused on the card known as the 8600GTS, however, which only had 32 unified shaders (pixel AND vertex shaders). At worst, it was a slow 16-pipeline card and performed as such in older games. But in newer, shader-intensive games, the 8600GTS could match the performance of the 7900GTX. And both were eclipsed by the X1950 Pro.

My laptop has a 1.4GHz Core 2 Duo and uses an 8600M GT 256MB. It has a slower core than the 8600GTS and much slower memory - 800MHz DDR2. That is sad indeed. I have a friend with a Dell XPS with a GeForce Go 7950GTX 512MB card. When I played Unreal Tournament III on his computer, I found that my laptop was faster. We both played at 1024x768 but I had more quality settings enabled. (Yes, he played at 1024x768 on a 17" widescreen LCD. No, he did not use fixed-aspect-ratio scaling. It looked about as bad as you would imagine.)

Another friend had a Dell E1705 with a GeForce Go 7900GS before it overheated and burned out on him. He had trouble running Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 at lower resolutions and minimum settings whereas I had no problem running at maximum setting (no AA) and 1280x800 on my laptop. Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 uses the Unreal 3 engine but is not a graphically-intensive game by modern standards.

Thus, it's my postulate that a 9800GTX+ would be a major improvement over 2 7900GTO's in SLI. I don't know about games that, say, use the Source engine, but there are plenty of Unreal-3-based offerings as well as CryEngine2 and Dunia. I did blunder on for several paragraphs and this post is full of unnecessary anecdotes but, hey, good luck with your decision! Now what were we talking about again?

P.S. You may be able to sell your 7900GTO's for $50 each and then pick up a used 9800GTX or 9800GTX+ for $120 or so. That's not a bad investment.
 

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Azn
Originally posted by: yh125d
I'd spring for a GTX260 216sp meself

GTX 260 is better than 9800gtx+ for AA but in raw frame rates it's not much difference.

Is that worth 2x the price?

Yeah. :laugh:

With the rez he's ganna play at and with some AA where the 9800GTX+ 256bit bus hinders it, it would be worth it.

Then again there are other alternatives too for the amount of cash spent on a GTX 260.

9800gtx+ is 30% slower with 4xAA. With 2x 9800gtx+ for $20 more than a cost of single GTX 260 you would be faster than GTX 285.
 

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I used two 7950GT's in SLi for a year before I upgraded to an 8800GTS 512MB G92, which is a slower version of the 9800GTX and on a half-node process up from the 9800GTX+.
I noticed a performance jump in games @ 1920x1200. Some of my games barely scaled in SLi and since then always aim for a single card that could outperform a similar SLI setup. I will now only recommend a single card upgrade, such as just going for a GTX 260 Core216 Rev2 or GTX 285 now, rather than a "possible" SLi upgrade later.

I am currently upgrading to a GTX 260 Core216.
 

taltamir

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wait you have an intel quad EXTREME? you spend over 1000$ on a the CPU? yes the gpu upgrade will do you tons of good. I would go for at LEAST a GTX260 55nm. Or even crossfire or SLI. (single or two cards, your choice.
 

Denithor

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If you've already got an SLI-capable board - go for 2x9800GTX+ !! That will blow past even the GTX 285, the only things out there better would be SLI GTX 260/280/285 or the GTX 295 or 4870X2 multiGPU cards.
 

vj8usa

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Originally posted by: Denithor
If you've already got an SLI-capable board - go for 2x9800GTX+ !! That will blow past even the GTX 285, the only things out there better would be SLI GTX 260/280/285 or the GTX 295 or 4870X2 multiGPU cards.

Wouldn't you be concerned with the low VRAM, especially when gaming at 1920x1200?
 

FalseChristian

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At 1920x1200 you want a 1GB card so the only option is the GTX Core 216, 1GB HD 4870, or GTX 280/285.
 

toyota

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Originally posted by: Denithor
EVGA 9800GTX+ 1GB

Of course, the price kinda defeats the purpose...

Still, it would be >$100 cheaper than GTX 295 and very nearly as powerful.
what? that setup would be silly and a gtx295 would blow it away for 100 bucks more.

 

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Originally posted by: taltamir
wait you have an intel quad EXTREME? you spend over 1000$ on a the CPU? yes the gpu upgrade will do you tons of good. I would go for at LEAST a GTX260 55nm. Or even crossfire or SLI. (single or two cards, your choice.

I would never spend 1k for a CPU, the most money that I spent for a CPU was $425.00 for a Pentium 4 Hyper Threading 3.4GHz Northwood core when they were newly released.
 

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Originally posted by: EvilRage
I've had the two 7900 GTOs for almost 2 and a half years now, and I'm starting to game again and hurting for a new card (or two). The Hot Deals thread for the 9800 GTX+ is tempting me into getting one of those, but what is the performance like relative to what I already have? Is it worth it to replace my two cards with the single 9800 GTX+, or will the difference be more subtle? If the latter, I'll probably go GTX 200, but then again, if two 9800 GTX+ cards can outperform a single GTX 200 series card, why not buy the 9800 GTX+ now and upgrade for cheap in a month or two?

Thoughts?

I would not SLI anything less than a GTX 260 now, and I would also not pay too much for anything with 512 MB of RAM.

Two 9800 GTX+'s will never actually be "better" than a single GTX 280. You may get higher average and maximum frame rates, but your minimum frame rates will be lower. Your highest playable settings will be equal or worse than the GTX 280. In game X, the 9800 SLI will get 90 fps vs 75 fps for the 280. But in game Y, the 280 will get 40 fps vs the 9800 SLI's 30 fps. That's far more important than 90 vs 75 fps.
 

MustangSVT

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the games you mentioned should run relatively well with your current setup.

I say wait for now. although 9800gtx is a good value, its not too much of an upgrade from what you have.