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2nd Gen Nissan Leaf

In autoblog's video @ 0:32,

Recommended Fuel: Electric

No shit.

If they don't get 200 mile any weather range it is doomed me thinks. ~150 will not do anymore.
 
It's a huge step over the ol 80 range and I see those Leafs all the time but there's going to be a lot more competition for 200+ cars now.
 
bigi said:
If they don't get 200 mile any weather range it is doomed me thinks. ~150 will not do anymore.
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Given the base price undercuts a Bolt by about $6k I think it will do fine. 150 is plenty for those with "modest" range anxiety for commuting. For example I have a coworker with a 70 mile round-trip commute. It would be fine for him while the original Leaf would be anxiety inducing, especially with fickle LA traffic.

What will not fly are the cars with under 100 mile range like the Honda Clarity. I'm really not sure why they even bothered with that kind of range.
 
bigi said:
If they don't get 200 mile any weather range it is doomed me thinks. ~150 will not do anymore.
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tweakmonkey said:
It's a huge step over the ol 80 range and I see those Leafs all the time but there's going to be a lot more competition for 200+ cars now.
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That's the thing...as a second car for most people, even an 80-mile or 110-mile EV is just fine for a daily commute or grocery run, especially if your primary ICE vehicle is older and/or a fuel hog. My buddy has an old pickup & an 80-mile Honda Fit EV...the pickup goes on trips & Home Depot/furniture runs, Fit is for everything else.

If it's going to be a primary car, then yeah, it's going to need range. If the Tesla Model III didn't exist, the Bolt would be a great EV option for people with a recurring, consistent commute.
 
The Clarity EV is a compliance car - a gasoline vehicle modified. It's the plug-in hybrid you want to look at.

I personally can't wait for more batteries to hit the used market. I have tons of fun projects in mind.
 
150 miles is fine for what this car is - an appliance to go to work and back every day. I work from home now but when I commuted, it was ~43 miles each way (most tech jobs are in or near Atlanta but I'm significantly north of there). 80 miles obviously wouldn't have cut it for me, and a 100-110 mile range would have been "range anxiety" with traffic and hot or cold weather (assuming accessories pull much in traffic). But 150 would be plenty of leeway and this type of car would be considered.
 
NutBucket said:
I thought the Clarity was designed as an alt-fuel vehicle from the get go?
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It's only available in California and Oregon to my knowledge, and the EV version loses cargo space compared with the hybrid, despite not needing a gas tank or gasoline engine and having the same electric motor.
 
Because generally speaking cars without grilles look odd? Plus pedestrian safety bullshit means the ultra low hood lines of the 80's and 90's are likely gone forever. Those designs worked and had very minimal front grill area.
 
Regardless of the many cons related to the Leaf (limited range, battery degradation, etc.) the best part of the car is the HUGE depreciation in the price of the car, after just a year or so. The first gen Leaf ran about $35K before incentives/tax breaks. I've seen 2 year old Leafs with less than 5K miles for $12K. I wouldn't take this car cross-country but for getting around town it works well. Unfortunately, the heat really accelerates pack degradation ... and I live in the south.

Looking forward to seeing what the used prices look like in 2-3 years.
 
I hope that the new Leaf will be even more popular than the 1st gen one.

Let's not forget that Nissan with 1st gen Leaf was the only viable game in town. All taken into consideration, it was 100% EV with good range. The rest that we know of today did join EV club with their EVs much later. Only Nissan has kept its Leaf since 2010 available to all who wanted to buy it. No other big car manufacturer was even close with single EV offering for ~35K.

Now, even the Tesla Model 3 will not be widely available for at least 2 years. Only the Bolt, i3, Ioniq EV and perhaps few other cars are real EV offerings for around 40K and less.
 
dud said:
Regardless of the many cons related to the Leaf (limited range, battery degradation, etc.) the best part of the car is the HUGE depreciation in the price of the car, after just a year or so. The first gen Leaf ran about $35K before incentives/tax breaks. I've seen 2 year old Leafs with less than 5K miles for $12K. I wouldn't take this car cross-country but for getting around town it works well. Unfortunately, the heat really accelerates pack degradation ... and I live in the south.

Looking forward to seeing what the used prices look like in 2-3 years.
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LOL! You couldn't take this car across country... unless you had a spare month to make the journey.
 
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