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Believe me, I dont trust myself either lol
Ive changed out alot of stuff and did alot of screwing around to get one video card to work correctly. I hope that is lol
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: apoppin
*done*
thank-you, AA!
it only hurts when i smile
[free shipping on two .. that's "why" i got Vista Cheapie ... and i just broke my budget ... $750 upgrade for HD2900xt .. don't add in the stuff i already bought earlier this year ...
now ... before i hit "submit" .. anything else ?
Short prayer to the almighty that nothing arrives DoA?![]()
the almighty stopped accepeting my collect calls
ANYWAY, all i *need* to work is my HD2900xt ... my MB will do fine with it's 4x PCIe slot for gaming ... i WILL get a substantial performance increase over x1950p ... and i can always set up [one] new SATA HD drive with Vista ... so you guys are stuck with one of my reviews
here's how i make myself feel better about spending SO much this year
[when i blabbered on and on [and on and on] about "waiting" responsibly for SP1/DX10 and a new GPU and telling others "how" to do it ... sorry]
. . . i am making more money this year .. and i need an "offset" for my income taxes
this IS a real "business deduction", you know ... gaming is "incidental"
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: ND40oz
You can still get these instore. Even if they store doesn't carry them, they can do a customer fullfillment for you. That way you can use your 12% Fathers Day coupons. I bought 2 instore for 281.59 a piece plus tax. They'll either ship it to the store or to your house for free. Pretty sweet deal, mine should be here on the 15th...crossfire 2900XTs for 563 is a hell of a deal.
More info? I might do this.... I can't believe it can be done...
Originally posted by: yuppiejr
Originally posted by: apoppin
the almighty stopped accepeting my collect callsOriginally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: apoppin
*done*
thank-you, AA!
it only hurts when i smile
[free shipping on two .. that's "why" i got Vista Cheapie ... and i just broke my budget ... $750 upgrade for HD2900xt .. don't add in the stuff i already bought earlier this year ...
now ... before i hit "submit" .. anything else ?
Short prayer to the almighty that nothing arrives DoA?![]()
ANYWAY, all i *need* to work is my HD2900xt ... my MB will do fine with it's 4x PCIe slot for gaming ... i WILL get a substantial performance increase over x1950p ... and i can always set up [one] new SATA HD drive with Vista ... so you guys are stuck with one of my reviews
here's how i make myself feel better about spending SO much this year
[when i blabbered on and on [and on and on] about "waiting" responsibly for SP1/DX10 and a new GPU and telling others "how" to do it ... sorry]
. . . i am making more money this year .. and i need an "offset" for my income taxes
this IS a real "business deduction", you know ... gaming is "incidental"
Grats on the new build!
What PSU are you throwing in this new rig of yours? I didn't see it called out anywhere but the power requirements of the 2900XT are fairly stout, 350 watts under load and a pair of 6-pin PCIe connectors (or 1 x 6 pin and 1 x 8 pin if you intend to overclock...).
Originally posted by: ND40oz
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: ND40oz
You can still get these instore. Even if they store doesn't carry them, they can do a customer fullfillment for you. That way you can use your 12% Fathers Day coupons. I bought 2 instore for 281.59 a piece plus tax. They'll either ship it to the store or to your house for free. Pretty sweet deal, mine should be here on the 15th...crossfire 2900XTs for 563 is a hell of a deal.
More info? I might do this.... I can't believe it can be done...
Well, I have two separate Best Buy receipts that say it can be done. Just do exactly as I say in the original post. If you have your doubts, call your local best buy and ask them if they have any Visiontek HD2900XTs available for Customer Fullfillment.
Originally posted by: ND40oz
You can still get these instore. Even if they store doesn't carry them, they can do a customer fullfillment for you. That way you can use your 12% Fathers Day coupons. I bought 2 instore for 281.59 a piece plus tax. They'll either ship it to the store or to your house for free. Pretty sweet deal, mine should be here on the 15th...crossfire 2900XTs for 563 is a hell of a deal.
Originally posted by: Gnitepracdlo
Originally posted by: ND40oz
You can still get these instore. Even if they store doesn't carry them, they can do a customer fullfillment for you. That way you can use your 12% Fathers Day coupons. I bought 2 instore for 281.59 a piece plus tax. They'll either ship it to the store or to your house for free. Pretty sweet deal, mine should be here on the 15th...crossfire 2900XTs for 563 is a hell of a deal.
so you got the 20% and 12% discount and bought it in-store?
i already have 2x1GB Corsair XMS series PC6400 ... should OC pretty wellOriginally posted by: tuteja1986
appoppin don't bother getting more than 2GB of ram... 2GB of DDR 800 micron ram and oc to 1000Mhz 4.4.4.8.
This behavior is the expected result of certain hardware and software factors.
Various devices in a typical computer require memory-mapped access. This is known as memory-mapped I/O (MMIO). For the MMIO space to be available to 32-bit operating systems, the MMIO space must reside within the first 4 GB of address space.
For example, if you have a video card that has 256 MB of onboard memory, that memory must be mapped within the first 4 GB of address space. If 4 GB of system memory is already installed, part of that address space must be reserved by the graphics memory mapping. Graphics memory mapping overwrites a part of the system memory. These conditions reduce the total amount of system memory that is available to the operating system.
The reduction in available system memory depends on the devices that are installed in the computer. However, to avoid potential driver compatibility issues, the 32-bit versions of Windows Vista limit the total available memory to 3.12 GB. See the "More information" section for information about potential driver compatibility issues.
If a computer has many installed devices, the available memory may be reduced to 3 GB or less. However, the maximum memory available in 32-bit versions of Windows Vista is typically 3.12 GB.
Originally posted by: ND40oz
In this weeks best buy ad (comes in the Sunday paper) it says all Visiontek cards are 20% this week. Even if the website says it's $399 they should still give you the 20% off instore because of the Ad (usually they have them at the front of the store too). Best Buy can do a customer fullfillment for a product, when I went the second time, they had 3 available for customer fullfillment. I don't know if this a regional number or national, but you can call the store and ask them if they have any available for customer fullfillment. One store wouldn't even bother checking for me, but I called another and they looked it up for me. If you're a reward zone member you should have had coupons emailed to you for Fathers Day, they have a 12% off coupon that you can use on the card as well instore.
Originally posted by: ND40oz
In this weeks best buy ad (comes in the Sunday paper) it says all Visiontek cards are 20% this week. Even if the website says it's $399 they should still give you the 20% off instore because of the Ad (usually they have them at the front of the store too). Best Buy can do a customer fullfillment for a product, when I went the second time, they had 3 available for customer fullfillment. I don't know if this a regional number or national, but you can call the store and ask them if they have any available for customer fullfillment. One store wouldn't even bother checking for me, but I called another and they looked it up for me. If you're a reward zone member you should have had coupons emailed to you for Fathers Day, they have a 12% off coupon that you can use on the card as well instore.
Originally posted by: Gnitepracdlo
Originally posted by: ND40oz
In this weeks best buy ad (comes in the Sunday paper) it says all Visiontek cards are 20% this week. Even if the website says it's $399 they should still give you the 20% off instore because of the Ad (usually they have them at the front of the store too). Best Buy can do a customer fullfillment for a product, when I went the second time, they had 3 available for customer fullfillment. I don't know if this a regional number or national, but you can call the store and ask them if they have any available for customer fullfillment. One store wouldn't even bother checking for me, but I called another and they looked it up for me. If you're a reward zone member you should have had coupons emailed to you for Fathers Day, they have a 12% off coupon that you can use on the card as well instore.
yeah i called the one closest to me and they said they didn't handle the high end ones for customer fullfillment..i guess i'll try walking into another one and show them the add..
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: BS
I gave up on 64bit when I tried XP64. Driver support isnt there and there are still software issues you run into for a minimal gain.
The situation's changed since then, but it can still be a mess depending on your hardware/software. I'm running 64-bit 24/7, and, except for the few remaining issues left for me to troubleshoot, everything in my rig is working just fine.
That's good. But what are the true advantages in running 64 bit over 32? Does the OS run faster? Does it manage memory usage better? Is it a world of difference, or just barely noticeable? Or are we all just being forced, if we adopt Vista which runs "best" on 4GB of memory and being able to address and use that memory requires 64bit? The only one's I see that benefits from all this, is Microsoft, and memory vendors. And even USB 2.0 flash drive manufacturers if everyone makes the mistake apoppin almost did.
Originally posted by: apoppin
and since 32-bit Vista DOES use 4GB of system RAM [512MB are "eaten up" by my HD2900xt and other HW uses it] BUT actually 3.12GB are actually "available"
Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: apoppin
and since 32-bit Vista DOES use 4GB of system RAM [512MB are "eaten up" by my HD2900xt and other HW uses it] BUT actually 3.12GB are actually "available"
That wording is a little misleading. The CPU has a certain amount of global address space available to it. Some of the address space is mapped to physical RAM, and some of the address space is mapped to memory present on expansion cards. So while your computer may have 4GB RAM, the 32-bit OS will only be able to use 3.12GB of that RAM. The rest will site idle (even to the OS) because the address space above 3.12GB has already been doled out to the 512MB of GPU RAM and various other kinds of RAM in the system.
In other words, the remaining 0.88GB of system RAM is in limbo. No one can see it, and no one can use it for anything. Only the complete set of (a) BIOS memory remapping option, (b) 64-bit hardware, and (c) 64-bit enabled OS will ever "see" memory above the 3.12GB limitation because only this exact combination results in a properly-utiltized address space greater than 4GB.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Originally posted by: apoppin
and since 32-bit Vista DOES use 4GB of system RAM [512MB are "eaten up" by my HD2900xt and other HW uses it] BUT actually 3.12GB are actually "available"
That wording is a little misleading. The CPU has a certain amount of global address space available to it. Some of the address space is mapped to physical RAM, and some of the address space is mapped to memory present on expansion cards. So while your computer may have 4GB RAM, the 32-bit OS will only be able to use 3.12GB of that RAM. The rest will site idle (even to the OS) because the address space above 3.12GB has already been doled out to the 512MB of GPU RAM and various other kinds of RAM in the system.
In other words, the remaining 0.88GB of system RAM is in limbo. No one can see it, and no one can use it for anything. Only the complete set of (a) BIOS memory remapping option, (b) 64-bit hardware, and (c) 64-bit enabled OS will ever "see" memory above the 3.12GB limitation because only this exact combination results in a properly-utiltized address space greater than 4GB.
not intentionally "misleading"
and there are workarounds that allow 32bit Vista to see much more than 3.12GB RAM ... but they require working thru another "layer" and performance is slowed somewhat ... but there will be that option with my system if i ever want to get more than 4GB RAM
and i understand that MS may change this limitation ... it is rather arbitrarily set at 3.12GB . ... it could definitely be set higher if they choose ... and i am hearing that there may be in fact a decent workaround for 32-bit RAM limitations in a later SP.
I believe that 4 GB of RAM gives more performance than 3GB [2x1GB in DC and 2x 512M in DC] so that .88 GB Ram is not actually "wasted"
so .. with the prices of RAM being so low, i thought i'd go for a 2nd Pair
of CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
or should i just go for the really nice stuff?
Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail -$89.99 after $75.00 Mail-In Rebate
would i be able to run them together at the slower Corsair timings and speed when i want 4GB ? [instead of super hi performance 2GB]
*EDIT* Now i see progress ... my Gigabyte P35-DS3P, Vista Home Premium 32 and 1 GB ready-boost arrived
and if i get the Crucial Ballistix, i get the 2 GB ready- Boost
shall i go for it ?
i already got the 1GB ready boost drive 'free' with Vista ... you have to take the 2GB one to get the Crucial discount.Originally posted by: n7
Well, assuming the rebate comes back, that Crucial is a WAY better deal than your Corsair.
I'm not such a big fan of mixing & matching RAM, but as long as you keep the pairs to their own channels, you should be okay.
And a 2 GB ReadyBoost USB drive is just an added bonus!
BTW, seriously, you should look into the 64-bit version of Vista if you haven't opened/used your 32-bit one yet.
Originally posted by: ND40oz
In this weeks best buy ad (comes in the Sunday paper) it says all Visiontek cards are 20% this week. Even if the website says it's $399 they should still give you the 20% off instore because of the Ad (usually they have them at the front of the store too). Best Buy can do a customer fullfillment for a product, when I went the second time, they had 3 available for customer fullfillment. I don't know if this a regional number or national, but you can call the store and ask them if they have any available for customer fullfillment. One store wouldn't even bother checking for me, but I called another and they looked it up for me. If you're a reward zone member you should have had coupons emailed to you for Fathers Day, they have a 12% off coupon that you can use on the card as well instore.
