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28% of Obama voters would vote for McCain over Hillary?

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so, I've been watching MTV today 😱 there was nothing on tv, so I just turned on this "true life" reality series marathon as background noise.

in the course of the past like 2-3 hours, I've heard it mentioned 3 times in the "news" breaks between commercials that 28% of Obama voters would defect to McCain if Hillary won the nomination (sandwiched between general pro-O pimping)... is there actually a poll out there that states that?
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
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in the course of the past like 2-3 hours, I've heard it mentioned 3 times in the "news" breaks between commercials that 28% of Obama voters would defect to McCain if Hillary won the nomination (sandwiched between general pro-O pimping)... is there actually a poll out there that states that?
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Yes, there is a poll on that. Seems like only last week there was one that showed Hillary & Obama voters defecting to McCain if their candidate didn't get the nomination.

IIRC, more of Hillary's voters said that they would defect.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
so, I've been watching MTV today 😱 there was nothing on tv, so I just turned on this "true life" reality series marathon as background noise.

in the course of the past like 2-3 hours, I've heard it mentioned 3 times in the "news" breaks between commercials that 28% of Obama voters would defect to McCain if Hillary won the nomination (sandwiched between general pro-O pimping)... is there actually a poll out there that states that?
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If this is the same poll from like 2 weeks ago, it was about 28% of obamabots would vote mccain over hillary and 33% hillary's would vote mccain over obama.
 
If hillary got the nomination at this point id not only be shocked, but pissed.

Id likely vote for McCain because the democratic party would be hopeless forevermore.
 
All this poll shows is that about 25% of democratic primary voters are lying about who they would vote for in the general election.
 
Oh piffle, we done had a thread on this one immediately before. Sure some democratic voters are petty and partisan, but most I know would cheerfully vote either Hillary or Obama because the last thing they want is a brainless McCain. McCain may be better than GWB, but so is your average cockroach. If you GOP types are pinning your hopes on democratic dissension, you will probably will be sadly disillusioned come November. And at the rate your boy blunder is going, very sadly disillusioned before because it looks like
GWB&co. won't slink out of town BEFORE the bottom drops out.
 
All this poll shows is that about 25% of democratic primary voters are lying about who they would vote for in the general election.
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OR

Obama is pulling independents and Republicans, kind of like Reagan did with many Democrats...Obama is as much a movement as he is a candidate....given the recent polls suggesting that a majority of Americans believe the nation is moving in the wrong direction, Obama represents to many a break from the status quo.

So it is not surprising that the very voters who support Obama would defect to McCain if Hillary wins the nomination...McCain once stood for something, and was very much a competent and honorable bi-partisan Senator...granted, in recent years McCain has veered off course a bit, but he is the lesser of two evils in a Hillary match-up.
 
sorry, I didn't mean to start this thread as a whole debate over the premise of X supporters voting for Y over Z candidates... I really just got the impression like MTV was making shit up to support their view.
 
McCain is another Bush waiting to happen. I never voted for Bush and I won't vote for his clone replacement either even if Hilary was the nominee for the Dems. I had enough of the neo-con legacy, presidents that surround themselves with neo-cons, along with Karl Rove and his meddling ways.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
sorry, I didn't mean to start this thread as a whole debate over the premise of X supporters voting for Y over Z candidates... I really just got the impression like MTV was making shit up to support their view.
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:laugh:

MTV has about .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% influece on american politics. MTV is less relevant than the Libertarian party. Less relevant than the Green party. The 38,000 high school kids that watch that channel more than three times a week aren't eligible to vote.

Do you really watch MTV?
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: loki8481
sorry, I didn't mean to start this thread as a whole debate over the premise of X supporters voting for Y over Z candidates... I really just got the impression like MTV was making shit up to support their view.
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:laugh:

MTV has about .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% influece on american politics. MTV is less relevant than the Libertarian party. Less relevant than the Green party. The 38,000 high school kids that watch that channel more than three times a week aren't eligible to vote.

Do you really watch MTV?
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MTV's target audience goes as high as 27-28. It encompasses large amounts of voting-age high school kids, college undergraduates, and early twentysomethings, with a few mid-to-late twentysomethings still hanging around. Most of whom watch at least a fair amount of MTV. That is why MTV gets all political around election time.
 
Fortunately, I believe I am an Obama voter who is voting for Obama. I was a Hillary supporter until Obama came on the scene and blew Hillary away. Yeah, now I have a chance to vote for judgment over experience because the experience is all about political division and confrontation. I want to see the nation come together and deal with our problems here at home. I don't want endless war.
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
As an Obama supporter, I wouldn't mind McCain at all.
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Because we aren't partisan automatons.
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More like bitter.
Hillary and Obama seem like copies of each other. They both want socialist reform and want to spend more money than ever. If you vote for one, you should vote for the other as their ideals are more closely related than the ideals of McCain.

It is pure bitterness that would cause people to vote against the person that beat their candidate.
 
Actually, in my case, it's because I vowed years ago that I would never in my life vote for another Bush or Clinton again. This is a democracy, not a hereditary monarchy. No one or even 2 families should be in control, as these 2 have for more than 20 years. I promise I won't vote for McCain either though.

Bitterness is senseamp and is Orwellian-esque "Obama is an empty suit demagogue" rhetoric. If you're an actual liberal and a Democrat, then you're against the war, and you're against this corrupt middle class-destroying wealth redistribution system of budget deficits -- both things that McCain not only represents but supports fully, even more than GW Bush I would say. So if you would vote for that kind of candidate over a Democrat whose views you claim to share... well, then you probably loved GW all along, because McCain would be more of the same.

What keeps most of "the right" voting for that kind of corruption BTW, is the brainwashed belief that budget deficits to fund their defense jobs constitute "free markets," and more importantly, the genuine fear that the Democrats are going to want revenge -- a policy which Hillary fully represents.
 
Originally posted by: Drift3r
McCain is another Bush waiting to happen. I never voted for Bush and I won't vote for his clone replacement either even if Hilary was the nominee for the Dems. I had enough of the neo-con legacy, presidents that surround themselves with neo-cons, along with Karl Rove and his meddling ways.
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I don't think McCain could possibly be as bad as GWB but he's the last of the 3 I want in the White House next year. I hope he continues to beat the war drum on staying in Iraq (LINK) because either Dem can hammer him on it.

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
More like bitter.
Hillary and Obama seem like copies of each other. They both want socialist reform and want to spend more money than ever. If you vote for one, you should vote for the other as their ideals are more closely related than the ideals of McCain.

It is pure bitterness that would cause people to vote against the person that beat their candidate.
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Totally agree. :thumbsup: I'm an Obama supporter but the truth is there's little difference in policy between him and Clinton. There's a big difference between either of them and McCain.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, in my case, it's because I vowed years ago that I would never in my life vote for another Bush or Clinton again. This is a democracy, not a hereditary monarchy. No one or even 2 families should be in control, as these 2 have for more than 20 years. I promise I won't vote for McCain either though.

Bitterness is senseamp and is Orwellian-esque "Obama is an empty suit demagogue" rhetoric. If you're an actual liberal and a Democrat, then you're against the war, and you're against this corrupt middle class-destroying wealth redistribution system of budget deficits -- both things that McCain not only represents but supports fully, even more than GW Bush I would say. So if you would vote for that kind of candidate over a Democrat whose views you claim to share... well, then you probably loved GW all along, because McCain would be more of the same.

What keeps most of "the right" voting for that kind of corruption BTW, is the brainwashed belief that budget deficits to fund their defense jobs constitute "free markets," and more importantly, the genuine fear that the Democrats are going to want revenge -- a policy which Hillary fully represents.
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I agree 100%. It doesn't make sense that a person truely planning to vote for either Obama or Clinton (based on their political philosophy) would jump parties (and philosophy) and vote for McCain if their Democratic candidate does not get the nomination. It just doesn't make sense to me. That's trying to look at it logically though... but like you said, the reason is bitterness or just plain stupid "revenge".
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
More like bitter.
Hillary and Obama seem like copies of each other. If you vote for one, you should vote for the other as their ideals are more closely related than the ideals of McCain.

It is pure bitterness that would cause people to vote against the person that beat their candidate.
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I agree.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: loki8481
so, I've been watching MTV today 😱 there was nothing on tv, so I just turned on this "true life" reality series marathon as background noise.

in the course of the past like 2-3 hours, I've heard it mentioned 3 times in the "news" breaks between commercials that 28% of Obama voters would defect to McCain if Hillary won the nomination (sandwiched between general pro-O pimping)... is there actually a poll out there that states that?
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If this is the same poll from like 2 weeks ago, it was about 28% of obamabots would vote mccain over hillary and 33% hillary's would vote mccain over obama.
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Sounds like democrats are just kids who throw their toys out of the cot when they don't get what they want.
 
I think it's just pre-nomination emotions or bluffing. Come the general election, these same people are NOT going to be voting for McCain. I mean, seriously... can you see it? "Hi, I'm totally against what Bush has done to this country, unnecessary war, $9 trillion dollar federal debt, budget deficits, destruction of the middle class, etc etc, so I'm going to vote for McCain so we can get 4 more years of the same just because my beloved Hillary/Obama didn't get the nom" ???

That's just nuts.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, in my case, it's because I vowed years ago that I would never in my life vote for another Bush or Clinton again. This is a democracy, not a hereditary monarchy. No one or even 2 families should be in control, as these 2 have for more than 20 years. I promise I won't vote for McCain either though.

Bitterness is senseamp and is Orwellian-esque "Obama is an empty suit demagogue" rhetoric. If you're an actual liberal and a Democrat, then you're against the war, and you're against this corrupt middle class-destroying wealth redistribution system of budget deficits -- both things that McCain not only represents but supports fully, even more than GW Bush I would say. So if you would vote for that kind of candidate over a Democrat whose views you claim to share... well, then you probably loved GW all along, because McCain would be more of the same.

What keeps most of "the right" voting for that kind of corruption BTW, is the brainwashed belief that budget deficits to fund their defense jobs constitute "free markets," and more importantly, the genuine fear that the Democrats are going to want revenge -- a policy which Hillary fully represents.
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Nice! :thumbsup:

I think Senseamp is bitter about Hillary getting defeated, and like an angry toddler, he just wants to knock the whole game off the table if he can't get his way. The truth is that Obama and Hillary's policies are very close, and in dramatic opposition to the insanity of McCain carrying the failed Bush policies. All of his bitching (right or not) about Bush's insane foreign policy and general failures can't be taken seriously if he's willing to vote for more of the same.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: loki8481
sorry, I didn't mean to start this thread as a whole debate over the premise of X supporters voting for Y over Z candidates... I really just got the impression like MTV was making shit up to support their view.
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:laugh:

MTV has about .000000000000000000000000000000000000001% influece on american politics. MTV is less relevant than the Libertarian party. Less relevant than the Green party. The 38,000 high school kids that watch that channel more than three times a week aren't eligible to vote.

Do you really watch MTV?
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I would also add that the people over 18 that watch that crap don't have enough intellectual capital to go out and vote anyway. How much can you really have upstairs when you're entertained by 24-7 reality faux-drama?
 
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