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Shimmishim

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So the AMD now has 3 processors: a 266 fsb version, 333 fsb version, and 400 fsb version

Let's say I have a 2600+ 266 version and a 2600+ 333 version

if i were to run both of these processors at... 11.5 x 200 mhz ... which would be faster? and why?
 

ChampionAtTufshop

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they should, theoretically, perform the exact same (both have 512 L2 right?)

in real world, one might win over the other becuase of real world situation "flaws" (thats a bad word to use, but whatever i cant think now heeh)
 

ChampionAtTufshop

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well if the cache is the same, theres no difference between the two except one has a higher fsb and lower mult stock while the other has lower fsb and higher mult stock

but if you run them at 200*11.5, on the exact same board and everything (cuz some boards end up overclocking by like decimal something mhz by default lol) then they should perform exactly the same

 

Shimmishim

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so then what's the point of having all these different versions???

i know that the barton's have a large L2 cache which makes them theoretically faster...

but the thoroughbred B's... why did they even release a 333 fsb version if these 266 are able to 333 or even 400?

 

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Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop
well if the cache is the same, theres no difference between the two except one has a higher fsb and lower mult stock while the other has lower fsb and higher mult stock

but if you run them at 200*11.5, on the exact same board and everything (cuz some boards end up overclocking by like decimal something mhz by default lol) then they should perform exactly the same

what he said =)

if the core is the same, then there shouldn't be much of a difference or any differences at all, other then the hardcoding into the CPU that tells what's the FSB and the Multiplier are.
 

ChampionAtTufshop

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
so then what's the point of having all these different versions???

i know that the barton's have a large L2 cache which makes them theoretically faster...

but the thoroughbred B's... why did they even release a 333 fsb version if these 266 are able to 333 or even 400?

for ppl who dont overclock lol ;)
 

Shimmishim

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then what's the difference between the barton 333 and barton 400?

besides the fact that the launch speed will be XX x 200 mhz = whatever speed?

so if i can run a barton 333 at ... 11.5 x 200, that would exactly identical to running a barton 400 at 11.5 x 200?

 

ChampionAtTufshop

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afaik yeah
i dont think they did any other changes to the cpu other than change the fsb from 333 to 400

theres no diff between the two afaik

but maybe the 400fsb barton will have more headroom for higher fsbs (on boards that can deliver 200+ cpu freq that is)
 

Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop
afaik yeah
i dont think they did any other changes to the cpu other than change the fsb from 333 to 400

theres no diff between the two afaik

but maybe the 400fsb barton will have more headroom for higher fsbs (on boards that can deliver 200+ cpu freq that is)

so you're implying then that the 333 fsb processors don't have as much headroom as the 400 fsb processors...

isn't the fsb you can reach limited by your board and not the cpu then???
 

Jeff7

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They should run the same. I even ran a Palomino 1500@1700, and then a Tbred-B 1700 at default. The benchmarks were like within 1% of each other. I'm hoping for a much better overclock out of the Tbred than the Palomino gave me.:)
 

ChampionAtTufshop

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop
afaik yeah
i dont think they did any other changes to the cpu other than change the fsb from 333 to 400

theres no diff between the two afaik

but maybe the 400fsb barton will have more headroom for higher fsbs (on boards that can deliver 200+ cpu freq that is)

so you're implying then that the 333 fsb processors don't have as much headroom as the 400 fsb processors...

isn't the fsb you can reach limited by your board and not the cpu then???

im not implying that
im saying maybe they will
as previously, newer batches have yeilded more headroom for overclocking (like tbred b's)
but maybe not since barton will max out soon anyways, its probably max out around teh same as the 2500+

the fsb is limted by the board and the cpu
u can have a dream cpu (like say the new 2.4C p4) but a crap board and be very limited
but it can also be the other way around, have a dream board but a crap cpu and still be limited
 

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Originally posted by: tchybrid
Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop
well if the cache is the same, theres no difference between the two except one has a higher fsb and lower mult stock while the other has lower fsb and higher mult stock

but if you run them at 200*11.5, on the exact same board and everything (cuz some boards end up overclocking by like decimal something mhz by default lol) then they should perform exactly the same

what he said =)

if the core is the same, then there shouldn't be much of a difference or any differences at all, other then the hardcoding into the CPU that tells what's the FSB and the Multiplier are.

Actually, the only difference between SPD seeing a chip at 133/266Mhz or 166/333Mhz is that for 166/333Mhz the 3rd L12 bridge is connected. With an exacto knife, and some time you can cut this 3rd L12 bridge, and the 333 Barton will post with a FSB of 133. This allows the chip to run properly oc'ed at 200/400Mhz or more, whereas there appear to be problems getting this FSB speed running properly in the default, connected 3rd L12 bridge configuration.
 

Necrolezbeast

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Some peeps don't overclock so the 333mhz compared to a 266mhz the 333mhz should be faster....but when you are running them at the same fsb and multi then why would there be a difference? They are not released at teh same multi and fsb, therefore they shouldn't be compared that way...that is like comparing a 1700+ @ 11.5x200 to a 2600+ @ 11.5x200, there is no difference at that point other than one is defaulted a lot lower and also cost 1/4th the price...you can't compare them because they are not originally released that way and some people don't like messing with stuff and keep everything at default.....
 

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Originally posted by: Shimmishim
Originally posted by: ChampionAtTufshop
afaik yeah
i dont think they did any other changes to the cpu other than change the fsb from 333 to 400

theres no diff between the two afaik

but maybe the 400fsb barton will have more headroom for higher fsbs (on boards that can deliver 200+ cpu freq that is)

so you're implying then that the 333 fsb processors don't have as much headroom as the 400 fsb processors...

isn't the fsb you can reach limited by your board and not the cpu then???

actually no, a processor does have a limit that it can make external addresses at, and for some bartons that might be under 200MHz so they'd run at 166MHz fsb.
 

Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast
Some peeps don't overclock so the 333mhz compared to a 266mhz the 333mhz should be faster....but when you are running them at the same fsb and multi then why would there be a difference? They are not released at teh same multi and fsb, therefore they shouldn't be compared that way...that is like comparing a 1700+ @ 11.5x200 to a 2600+ @ 11.5x200, there is no difference at that point other than one is defaulted a lot lower and also cost 1/4th the price...you can't compare them because they are not originally released that way and some people don't like messing with stuff and keep everything at default.....

sorry for not clarifying...

i was just trying to get at the point that they run exactly identical...

but yes you are correct that if you were to compare a 2600+ 266 at default vs. a 2600+ 333 at default, that the 333 one would be faster...

i guess it's hard for me to compare things at default because i overclock :)
 

Jombo

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i would imagine the fsb restriction is what the cpu passed in the testing phase before being badged whatever designator at the end. if the new barton chip isn't upto spec stability at 400, but is at 333, it'll prob get the 333 badging at whatever speeds. now that doesn't mean that it can't run at 400 fsb, it just means that AMD doesn't guarantee 400fsb perf.

same thing for the overclockable chips, their safe speeds are what they badge the chips, but some may have more potential for OC than others, like in the case of XP1700+ XP2100+ and in P4, the upcoming 2.4c 800mhz pre production model got cranked upto 3.3ghz w/ stock cooling.. amazing

but more importantly, (something that i picked up reading the intel 800fsb article) your fsb needs to be in sync w/ the ddr memory to get best performance. if your ram can do ddr 333, then you are better left w/ a 166 fsb. (166 x 2 = 333 ddr)

my answer (opinion) to the original question would be if all other components were the same, whatever fsb matchs up with the ddr ram x multiplier will yield the highest perf at the same final clock speeds.