2600k 8 cores vs BD 8 cores

[bunnyfubbles]

TDP has nothing to do with it,it would eat into there top end segment.

Intel already has a 10 core 20 thread 32nm sandy xeon out now and its a 130 watt part.

Its about 5 grand for just one chip lol

look up the E7-8870

TDP has everything to do with it. That 10 core chip runs a paltry 2.4GHz. Subtract two cores and you get the E7-8837 which runs 2.67GHz @ the same 130W TDP.

Take 8 cores and run them @ 3.2+GHz and TDP will balloon well beyond 130W, of which Intel has decided to include closed loop water coolers for their 6 core SB-E desktop chips...

 

[aigomorla]

what about this quadcore you are talking about? <--- sarcasm...

All the real intel fanhards are already on Hexicores and have been milking 12 threads all this time.

Why do you think ive been telling people if your on a gulftown right now, your in a bubble during this upgrade...

Yes a full on bubble... to merit almost 2000 dollars to get an extra 10-15&#37; and then spend another 2000 on the refresh for another 10-15%...

ummm... no.. ur just best off waiting for the refresh if your already on gulftown, and get the full 20-25% boost when it comes out.

 

[sangyup81]

i always wondered, was it really that much better to go with gulftown than a xeon?

 

[aigomorla]

i always wondered, was it really that much better to go with gulftown than a xeon?

gulftown can be a Xeon.

Xeon can be a gulftown.

the Xeon Designation Tag in an i7 means it has a better memory controller then a normal consumer i7 900 series.

Xeon means its meant for server enviorments, and u get the server side support from intel should that cpu die.

 

[sangyup81]

darrr yeah i'm off today. i meant the 8 core xeons unless of course somehow paying $1000 is keeping within a budget

 

[GammaLaser]

Intel already has a 10 core 20 thread 32nm sandy xeon out now and its a 130 watt part.

FYI, that is not a Sandy Bridge part, it is a Westmere EX (32nm shrink of Nehalem)

 

[aigomorla]

FYI, that is not a Sandy Bridge part, it is a Westmere EX (32nm shrink of Nehalem)

westmere-ex

30 Meg cache is gignormous.


and yes its a westmere-ex
http://ark.intel.com/products/53580...&#37;2830M-Cache-2_40-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI)

 

[jhu]

i always wondered, was it really that much better to go with gulftown than a xeon?

Xeon has RAS features. Not sure if non-Xeon gulftowns also have RAS features.

 

[aigomorla]

Xeon has RAS features. Not sure if non-Xeon gulftowns also have RAS features.

all gulftowns in general are setup like Xeons, with inactive core shutdown as well.

Well that is from what i heard.

 

[soccerballtux]

How about we will see. Your posts are lacking real sense.

This. The things you just wrote are so useless it make's me wonder why did you create this thread.

you must be new here.

 

[soccerballtux]

No one asked you to read it. cry away! This thread is cool

its comparing cores and logical cores and etc AMD doesnt have HT relax.

HYPER TRANSPORT for real yall

 

[GammaLaser]

Xeon has RAS features. Not sure if non-Xeon gulftowns also have RAS features.

Unfortunately all (Intel) consumer branded parts lack basic RAS features. For example i7-990x lacks ECC support while low-end Xeons that are far cheaper support it.

 

[soccerballtux]

I think Intel didn't make 8 core desktop CPU's out of the Sandy line is because they don't need to. They have HT and my main app on comp
Sonar X1c Producer uses all cores, physical and logical


I think a physical 4 core + logical 4 cores 2600k @ 4.5Ghz Can beat Bulldozer 8 core CPU @ 4.5Ghz imo

Why,,, the caching and the memory bandwidth....

I think those logical cores are giving the same if not more power then AMDs actual physical Cores... just a guess..

I am in opposite. Cache size makes 0&#37; difference in predictable things like binecench11.5 with maths that are nothing but four loops. With unpredictability like weather come bigger cache benefit but please if you will be understanding with me I believe the performance gamma is due to other things. Like consumer price index. edito: SOrry. IPC not CPI.

 

[aigomorla]

Unfortunately all consumer branded parts lack basic RAS features. For example i7-990x lacks ECC support while low-end Xeons that are far cheaper support it.

ECC as in ram?

90&#37; of all X58 support ECC natively, im fairly sure about this...
In intel ARK it says look at MOBO maker.
http://ark.intel.com/products/47932

1156 had very little to no ECC support.

1155 the same... very little ECC support.

the X58 and X79 will be full blown overclocking server boards from what i recall.
This was the transition intel wanted to make.

The high performance overclockers would be mashed with the ultra expensive enterprise sector, and the rest of the little people were given toys like the 2500 and 2600K to play with.

I say this because the price difference between the 2 platforms... 1155 vs 2011 will be somewhere between 300% to more.

 

[tweakboy]

TDP has nothing to do with it,it would eat into there top end segment.

Intel already has a 10 core 20 thread 32nm sandy xeon out now and its a 130 watt part.

Its about 5 grand for just one chip lol

look up the E7-8870

Wow no kidding. 20 threads. oh my, thats a little too many for me, the chip is 5k mobo is 2k LOL oh boy Soo does that CPU OCed beat a 2600k ? 8 threads vs 20 threads hmm ?

 

[aigomorla]

Wow no kidding. 20 threads. oh my, thats a little too many for me, the chip is 5k mobo is 2k LOL oh boy Soo does that CPU OCed beat a 2600k ? 8 threads vs 20 threads hmm ?

its not just 1 cpu either..

the 8800 series... is a 4 cpu cluster board....

so you would need 4 of those 4k cpu's and the required ram to each cpu socket to get it to even boot up.


lulz... i had a intel 7500 series cpu sent to me on accident one time.
I looked at it and then quickly called my friend and went WTF is this.

Trust me... they are big cpu's... and holding something which has a retail of nearly 4g's on 1 cpu is like :O im back in pre 2000 era!!!

 

[BlueBlazer]

lulz... i had a intel 7500 series cpu sent to me on accident one time.
I looked at it and then quickly called my friend and went WTF is this.

Trust me... they are big cpu's... and holding something which has a retail of nearly 4g's on 1 cpu is like :O im back in pre 2000 era!!!

Size of a Pentium Pro?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Wow no kidding. 20 threads. oh my, thats a little too many for me, the chip is 5k mobo is 2k LOL oh boy Soo does that CPU OCed beat a 2600k ? 8 threads vs 20 threads hmm ?

even if you could overclock a 10-core Xeon (pretty sure you can't), its already 130W TDP @ 2.4GHz vs. the 2600K which is 95W TDP @ 3.4GHz.

These chips are intended for servers and ultra-high-end workstations (in which you have multiple such CPUs) where more cores can be easily justified over more Hz.

you can pretty much price out an entire rig based around dual 6-cores Xeons (~$2000 for CPUs, ~$600 for motherboard) that will ultimately be cheaper and faster than paying for a single 10-core Xeon.

 

[GammaLaser]

ECC as in ram?

90% of all X58 support ECC natively, im fairly sure about this...
In intel ARK it says look at MOBO maker.
http://ark.intel.com/products/47932

1156 had very little to no ECC support.

1155 the same... very little ECC support.

the X58 and X79 will be full blown overclocking server boards from what i recall.
This was the transition intel wanted to make.

The high performance overclockers would be mashed with the ultra expensive enterprise sector, and the rest of the little people were given toys like the 2500 and 2600K to play with.

I say this because the price difference between the 2 platforms... 1155 vs 2011 will be somewhere between 300% to more.

Sure the platform/mobo may support ECC but if the CPU does not support it as well (since it has the IMC) then ECC is a no-go. Intel has supported ECC in certain enthusiast platforms before Nehalem but since Nehalem they have gimped server-like features in their desktop SKUs in the name of increased product segmentation

 

[aigomorla]

Sure the platform/mobo may support ECC but if the CPU does not support it as well (since it has the IMC) then ECC is a no-go. Intel has supported ECC in certain enthusiast platforms before Nehalem but since Nehalem they have gimped server-like features in their desktop SKUs in the name of increased product segmentation

All 1366 cpu's have ECC support if the Board has it.

As i said the X58 is the intel server board they gave to us to play with.

The SR-2 is a modified Intel 5520 server board.

1366 is enterprise sector everyway u look at it.
2011 is also enterprise sector.

1156 is consumer
1155 is consumer.

This is why the price difference between the two at launch was so great.