TallBill
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What really sucks is that I am paying for Google's power as they get it for free.
My electric bill doubled from $150 to $300 a month when they gave Google free power from the dam as well as the land for free to get them to build the data center there.
all those data centers, and I don't think I've ever seen a job posting for one
Not true
They have posted in the thread at the top
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Lifer
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...which happened to coincide with the start of summer when you set your thermostat to 50 degrees to cool all of the bullshit you spew. Do you really think anyone is stupid enough to believe this?
SagaLore
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You're forgetting the power usage of using your personal computer, your ISP, their upstream provider, various backbones to route your requests to google, and responses to the request.
An average fart has enough energy in it to light a 60 watt light bulb for 1 second, and a person farts on average 14 times a day. If we can somehow harness this to power our google searches...
SagaLore
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Your usage of phase "data center" in its singular (rather than plural) form thew me off...
P.S. And this is an area of active investment for many big companies. Power usage is one of the biggest costs for data centers. As new technologies come out, I expect the utilization to go down...
P.S. And this is an area of active investment for many big companies. Power usage is one of the biggest costs for data centers. As new technologies come out, I expect the utilization to go down...
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You suck at the Internets
Simply use search engine for Google Pryor, you will see the Electric Co-op doubled rates for the Google deal and the local Government gave the land for free.
i took you up on the offer for no particular reason. I cant find any of the rates for associated electric, but i did get two articles about the facility.
http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2010/10/21/google-resumes-work-on-oklahoma-data-center/
Firstly, 800 acres of that land was purchased in 2007, not given for free.
Secondly, Google buys energy through their energy company and bought some wind energy to be more eco friendly.
There's no internet outrage about free electricity, free land, and doubling of rates. I am finding it hard to believe you, so you'll have to provide the proof yourself. Just check the per kwh charge on your electricity bill for the definitive proof.
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Lifer
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I wouldn't want to put an even greater strain on your wallet.
I think I can assume from your lack of proof that you are once again making shit up.
Edit: owned by cerebusPu, nice job.
Google is a corporation, and corporations are people. Haven't you learned anything in the last decade?
You'd be wrong. Power usage is exploding as things get smaller due to cooling/air handling. Data centers rarely shrink in terms of computing power and power requirements.
This just goes to show that demand often rises to meet supply when something is low cost enough. Consider what might happen if the diamond cartel did not restrict the supply of diamonds (which are actually quite abundant on this planet). Yes the price would fall and the few wealthy manufacturers/distributors would lose their tremendous profit margin. But then their ability to enslave many poor africans would disappear. After all, why go to all the trouble when the product is not a big profit maker (you dont see the same thing happening with bananas do you?) Diamonds would flood the world and more of people's money and effort would go to buying them. We'd see them on bicycles, cars, computers, party decorations,etc. We might use them in new and interesting ways.
There would be a few negative side effects though, imagine the increased land rape from all the mining operations (rather like what's going on with oil). This is analogous to the energy 'waste' that google promotes. No one is using google instead of driving around. They still drive around for other things. They just use google as well, instead of reading books, watching tv, or going outside.
Personally, I believe we need fundamentally different incentives to make our world better--we need to encourage daily exercise (why does gym class end with high school?), we need to eat better (why is processed,fast food so unhealthy?). But this is off topic.
Yes google has made our world better (for that minority that can read, has access to a computer and a network, and is healthy enough to have leisure). But they are only pulling the leading edge of humanity away from the rest- they arent doing shit to help the majority of this planet.
This is where google will fail. Baidu has the edge in China. And that nation is quietly mining africa for all its resources. The chinese model reminds me of amazon's mechanical turk-use people as much as possible as long as they can be kept cheaply. The chinese are experts at keeping their people 'cheap' and they will usurp the resources that google needs to expand. Ultimately, Baidu will invade the US with a search engine funded not by advertising but national resources. Google's use of energy is therefore a 'black hole'. They are not adding to the growth of energy supply, but just driving up the cost by consuming more and making it more scarce for everyone else.
As the chinese have almost cornered the market for solar panel production, i can only imagine the exponential benefits they will reap when their cost of electricity becomes negligible. And you dont think they are going to sell this power on the open market without a HUGE markup, do you? And Baidu will pull away from google as their insatiable need for power is satisfied while google starves on the altar of high priced power.
Yes, we can criticize google for their poor energy model, but Baidu is even worse.
There would be a few negative side effects though, imagine the increased land rape from all the mining operations (rather like what's going on with oil). This is analogous to the energy 'waste' that google promotes. No one is using google instead of driving around. They still drive around for other things. They just use google as well, instead of reading books, watching tv, or going outside.
Personally, I believe we need fundamentally different incentives to make our world better--we need to encourage daily exercise (why does gym class end with high school?), we need to eat better (why is processed,fast food so unhealthy?). But this is off topic.
Yes google has made our world better (for that minority that can read, has access to a computer and a network, and is healthy enough to have leisure). But they are only pulling the leading edge of humanity away from the rest- they arent doing shit to help the majority of this planet.
This is where google will fail. Baidu has the edge in China. And that nation is quietly mining africa for all its resources. The chinese model reminds me of amazon's mechanical turk-use people as much as possible as long as they can be kept cheaply. The chinese are experts at keeping their people 'cheap' and they will usurp the resources that google needs to expand. Ultimately, Baidu will invade the US with a search engine funded not by advertising but national resources. Google's use of energy is therefore a 'black hole'. They are not adding to the growth of energy supply, but just driving up the cost by consuming more and making it more scarce for everyone else.
As the chinese have almost cornered the market for solar panel production, i can only imagine the exponential benefits they will reap when their cost of electricity becomes negligible. And you dont think they are going to sell this power on the open market without a HUGE markup, do you? And Baidu will pull away from google as their insatiable need for power is satisfied while google starves on the altar of high priced power.
Yes, we can criticize google for their poor energy model, but Baidu is even worse.
zanejohnson
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You're forgetting the power usage of using your personal computer, your ISP, their upstream provider, various backbones to route your requests to google, and responses to the request.
An average fart has enough energy in it to light a 60 watt light bulb for 1 second, and a person farts on average 14 times a day. If we can somehow harness this to power our google searches...
Even if you add in all that stuff the power consumption is still wayyy too high for every single google search to literally boil 1 cup of water. That would put the yearly power consumption at over 8.51 exawatt hours which according to this exceeds the energy consumption of the whole planet.
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