25ms 19" or 12ms 17" LCD?

[Todd33]

Just wondering, they seem to be the same price. Thanks.

 

[Excelsior]

To be honest, no, it isn't, and I own a 12ms 17". I think the bigger screen is better than the slightly improved response time.

 

[SickBeast]

According to the review guys at AT, the 12ms/16ms LCDs do not have the same color reproduction as the 25ms screens; they sacrifice color quality for response time. According to them, the lack of decent color outweighs the better response time, and they reccomend going with a 25ms screen.

My LCD is 25ms, and I don't notice much ghosting in games, if any.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

It depends. Some people can pick up ghosting more then others. The only way to find out is to try the monitor you want to buy. Just make sure you buy it from someplace that takes returns without a restock fee.

I have the 172x and yes the color isn't as good as the 25ms screens but I can't really tell. Also, there is no ghosting.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
According to the review guys at AT, the 12ms/16ms LCDs do not have the same color reproduction as the 25ms screens; they sacrifice color quality for response time. According to them, the lack of decent color outweighs the better response time, and they reccomend going with a 25ms screen.

My LCD is 25ms, and I don't notice much ghosting in games, if any.

My LCD is 16ms, and it seems to reproduce colors pretty darn well . . . definitely the best picture of any monitor I've ever used.

 

[n7]

I think a lot of the ghosting is a psychological thing for people.

They hear it exists; & then they look for it on their LCD, & OH NOES!!11!! It's ghosting !!11!!



Pardon that little rant, but i have a 20 ms LCD, & it's awesome; no ghosting.

I hear way too much garbage about how every LCD ghosts...which is so not true.

Mine pwns all the CRTs i've ever seen.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: X-Man

Originally posted by: SickBeast
According to the review guys at AT, the 12ms/16ms LCDs do not have the same color reproduction as the 25ms screens; they sacrifice color quality for response time. According to them, the lack of decent color outweighs the better response time, and they reccomend going with a 25ms screen.

My LCD is 25ms, and I don't notice much ghosting in games, if any.

My LCD is 16ms, and it seems to reproduce colors pretty darn well . . . definitely the best picture of any monitor I've ever used.

Well, it somehow bothers the AT reviewer. 🙂

 

[TStep]

Have a 16ms Hitachi 17". Best move I ever made was go LCD. No more headaches, nice clarity. Colors are very good, but the blacks could be darker. Thats about my only complaint.

In contrast to an older 40ms NEC 15" LCD I also have, there is no noticable ghosting and works great for DVDs.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: TStep
Have a 16ms Hitachi 17". Best move I ever made was go LCD. No more headaches, nice clarity. Colors are very good, but the blacks could be darker. Thats about my only complaint.

In contrast to an older 40ms NEC 15" LCD I also have, there is no noticable ghosting and works great for DVDs.

Funny you say blacks could be darker.

I have the exact opposite problem (if you wanna call it one).

Mine has a quick mode switch button to change brightness/contrasts etc.

Normally, i leave mine set as "Vivid" (gorgeous vibrant color), but when i am watching a movie or anything that has shadows or darker stuff, i switch to "Standard" (brings out the darker colors better).

 

[faye]

u won't see ghosting in works.

i have a 25ms lcd, colours is great, but if u play fps games, u will see ghosting.
honestly i like my lcd alot, great color for work.(90% of usage is word, ie, excel) sometimes movies. if u play games, i would prefer a monitor.

comparing 12ms and 25ms in text, u will not see a difference.. unless u can type 200wpm all the time. but i doubt ur pc would "let" you type that fast...

 

[Corporate Thug]

i had a 19 inch 25ms LCD, ghosting was more pronounced in some games than others. There was pretty bad ghosting in CoD and nothing in XIII

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
According to the review guys at AT, the 12ms/16ms LCDs do not have the same color reproduction as the 25ms screens; they sacrifice color quality for response time. According to them, the lack of decent color outweighs the better response time, and they reccomend going with a 25ms screen.

My LCD is 25ms, and I don't notice much ghosting in games, if any.

Huh? That's the first I've heard of that. In all the reviews of the "gamer-friendly" fast-response time panels, I've read no mention of inferior colors to the slower panels. I have a 16ms panel and the colors are quite nice...I wouldn't think they'd be any worse on a 12ms/10ms/8ms panel.

 

[Nebor]

Response times aren't the end all be all of ghosting. You need to tell us what panels in particular you're looking at.

 

[MrPabulum]

Indeed, a 12ms doesn't necessarily guarantee excellent gaming performance. Tom's Hardware reviewed the Samsung 172X and noted that its gaming performance was mediocre; plenty of ghosting in games like GTA: Vice City for instance. The Hercules ProphetPro 920 (sic?) is a 25ms panel, but had much less ghosting all around, including FPS games. The rise and fall of the response times is critical.

I'm using a Viewsonic VP171B, and am tremendously impressed with its gaming performance. UT2004 and Call of Duty show little to no ghosting. It's different from a CRT of course, but nevertheless quite enjoyable. Its only weaknesses are the greyscale (can look a bit bumpy if LCD is viewed up close) and less than perfect whites. Still, I don't plan on purchasing a CRT ever again. 😉

 

[faye]

need to see what kind of fps game u r playing..

UT2004 has a dark background.. so u won't be noticing ghosting as much as when u r playing halflife...

however, imho, i will purchase a crt again to play games...if i have the space on my desk.

I don't know, i think/believe crt has better gaming performance than lcd.
i only use nec mon, so other's may differ.

 

[TStep]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: TStep
Have a 16ms Hitachi 17". Best move I ever made was go LCD. No more headaches, nice clarity. Colors are very good, but the blacks could be darker. Thats about my only complaint.

In contrast to an older 40ms NEC 15" LCD I also have, there is no noticable ghosting and works great for DVDs.

Funny you say blacks could be darker.

I have the exact opposite problem (if you wanna call it one).

Mine has a quick mode switch button to change brightness/contrasts etc.

Normally, i leave mine set as "Vivid" (gorgeous vibrant color), but when i am watching a movie or anything that has shadows or darker stuff, i switch to "Standard" (brings out the darker colors better).

To clarify on the blacks: I guess it's a pretty easy comparison since I have two LCDs. A black screen on the NEC is very black. On the Hitachi, there is a hint of very dark blue or purple overcast to the black. Also, the lower portion on the screen is less dark than the upper portion. This has to do with the viewing angle being slightly different when I'm seated from the top to the bottom of the screen. Again these are very minor observations that don't detract from the overall experience.