2500+ vs. 1700+ at 11*200.

[DaHan]

I just get a new 2500+ with 8rda+ and did some tests - I expect more difference than this:

NEW 2500+ at 11*200
PCmark 2002: 6796 5616 1449
3Dmark 2001: 8600

OLD record for xp1700+ DUT3C at 11*200 1.85v
PCmark 2002: 6744 5293 1436
3Dmark 2001: 8569

It get 512 cache !!!

Everything is the same. Did I miss something here?

Maybe, I should reinstall the OS? That will make a big difference?

BTW, if I want to get STR function, what I need to set in the bios?

 

[Jeff7181]

With a 3DMark2001 score of 8600, your video card is what's limiting that... so throw that test out the window...

6800 is normal for a 2.2 Ghz Barton...
5600 for your memory sounds like your running in single channel, not dual channel
1400 for hard drive seems pretty high... you have a Raptor or RAID setup?

But yeah... everything looks about right.

 

[KillaBong]

I don't know why people expect a big difference between them. There is very little to no difference especially in games (all I care about). Reinstalling isn't going to help make any more difference.

 

[Jeff7181]

Bartons are faster in games than equally clocked T-Bred counterparts... just look at the benchmarks... however... if you can get maybe, 150-200 mhz more out of a T-Bred than you can out of a Barton, it'll probably more than make up for the difference.

 

[Corporate Thug]

yeah, there is no doubt bartons are faster. not by all that much though

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bartons are faster in games than equally clocked T-Bred counterparts... just look at the benchmarks... however... if you can get maybe, 150-200 mhz more out of a T-Bred than you can out of a Barton, it'll probably more than make up for the difference.

yeah but itll eventually be a moot point since the highest i have ever seen a T-bred clocked with "normal" cooling (water or air......most cant afford phaze change) is 2.6ghz now the majority you may see are anywhere between 2.2-2.4 and sometimes 2.5ghz i have seen all of the newer bartons hit those speeds with ease hell the average "newer" cored 2500+'s are hitting 2.4ghz with ease on air so my self id say screw it and just get a barton..besides my origanal stepping barton does 2.3ghz

 

[DaHan]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
With a 3DMark2001 score of 8600, your video card is what's limiting that... so throw that test out the window...

6800 is normal for a 2.2 Ghz Barton...
5600 for your memory sounds like your running in single channel, not dual channel
1400 for hard drive seems pretty high... you have a Raptor or RAID setup?

But yeah... everything looks about right.

It's dual channel, just 1G pc2700 at 7-3-3-2.5 at 2.9v
HD is just a maxtor 160G 8M. I am happy with this score.

I will convert DV's avi ~ mpeg2, and see if that make a big difference. That's the main reason I need a faster CPU, I am not a gamer (AIW 8500dv).

If it's normal, I have to say newegg's $40 CPU is kicking the ASSSSSSS, even you maybe can get a extra .3G from barton.

 

[Jeff7181]

Ok then, for PC2700 in dual channel that sounds about right.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: VisableAssassin

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Bartons are faster in games than equally clocked T-Bred counterparts... just look at the benchmarks... however... if you can get maybe, 150-200 mhz more out of a T-Bred than you can out of a Barton, it'll probably more than make up for the difference.

yeah but itll eventually be a moot point since the highest i have ever seen a T-bred clocked with "normal" cooling (water or air......most cant afford phaze change) is 2.6ghz now the majority you may see are anywhere between 2.2-2.4 and sometimes 2.5ghz i have seen all of the newer bartons hit those speeds with ease hell the average "newer" cored 2500+'s are hitting 2.4ghz with ease on air so my self id say screw it and just get a barton..besides my origanal stepping barton does 2.3ghz

i dunno where you get your info from but i'd like to see where you've seen all the newer stepping bartons average 2.4 ghz...

according to the o/c database, the average o/c of the 2500+ is around 2.3 ghz which sounds about right to me...

considering that i've only seen a few people with 2.5 ghz bartons and a handful of 2.4 ghz bartons... i'm surprised to hear you say that quote "I have seen all of the newer bartons hit those speeds with ease hell the average "nwere" cored 2500+'s are hitting 2.4ghz with ease on air...."

cuz if you have let me know where so i can get one of these magic 2.4-2.5 ghz bartons before i sell off my amd system...

i seriously doubt taht ALL have and the question to ask is.... what voltage did they use to achieve these o/c's?

anyway...

i'm a pessimist...

 

[4x4expy]

I am glad to see this comparison. I have been curious for a while about an apples to apples comparo between barton and Tbred cpus. The most significant increase is in the PCMark memory score, which I guess is the answer to the advantage of the extra cache. And that 100% increase in cache seems to yield a 6% increase in performance, though this is only one test and doesn't represent a thorough investigation. Very helpful thread DaHan! I guess it's not really worth a $90 gamble to me that I can get a Barton to do 2.4ghz or better to assure a performance boost.

I am impressed by the maxtor's HDD score. I have also been curious if their ATA133 8mb drives can outperform the WD SE drives that are ATA100. This seems to lay that question to rest also.

 

[DaHan]

One thing I am happy with this upgrade is Vcore and temp.

1700+ from 1.6v ~ 1.85v
2500+ from 1.65 ~ 1.8v

The tempture for 2500+ is a little bit lower also. That makes me feel better to run it all days and all night.

Also, I can OC more with it when winter comes - even I have AC, this summer is still to hot for me and CPU.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: DaHan
One thing I am happy with this upgrade is Vcore and temp.

1700+ from 1.6v ~ 1.85v
2500+ from 1.65 ~ 1.8v

The tempture for 2500+ is a little bit lower also. That makes me feel better to run it all days and all night.

Also, I can OC more with it when winter comes - even I have AC, this summer is still to hot for me and CPU.

my tbred 1700+ @ 2.5 ghz is cooler than the 2.4 ghz barton i had running by about 4 degree celsius

 

[DaHan]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim

Originally posted by: DaHan
One thing I am happy with this upgrade is Vcore and temp.

1700+ from 1.6v ~ 1.85v
2500+ from 1.65 ~ 1.8v

The tempture for 2500+ is a little bit lower also. That makes me feel better to run it all days and all night.

Also, I can OC more with it when winter comes - even I have AC, this summer is still to hot for me and CPU.

my tbred 1700+ @ 2.5 ghz is cooler than the 2.4 ghz barton i had running by about 4 degree celsius

DLT3C, right? Mine is DUT3C.

 

[Blooz1]

I'd say you'd need to run some repetative tasks that would take advantage of the cache, not games, for a valid comparision. I'd like to see what happens with DC projects -

One guy told me that when he switched to a Barton, he noticed a speed increase of almost 25% on average WU times on SETI!

 

[DaHan]

I converted DV's avi to mpeg2 by using main concept, it's like 49s for 1 min video, no big difference with my old 1700+. Well, .............

 

[DaHan]

Did a new test with a 9700 Pro.

PCmark 2002: 6802 6145 1428
3Dmark 2001: 16442

It's much better memory score !!!

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: DaHan
Did a new test with a 9700 Pro.

PCmark 2002: 6802 6145 1428
3Dmark 2001: 16442

It's much better memory score !!!

this is with the barton or tbred?

 

[DaHan]

New Barton.