$250,000 if you can provide proof of "evolution"

[exp]

In unmarked, non-consecutive bills. Or suitcases of cocaine. Your choice.

Uncut diamonds would be best.

 

[specktre]

f*ck "god" and F*ck the theory of evolution, I believed we were created by little pink bunnies.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

To long to read all of this but here are my thoughts, religion is MAN made period. People have the right to believe what they like so go for it as for me evolution makes more sense to me. If you guys ever watch the tv show BS with Penn and Teller they did a whole show about Creationism over evolution so to me its a no brainer. But I respect the belief in god even though I dont believe in god myself.

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
To long to read all of this but here are my thoughts, religion is MAN made period. People have the right to believe what they like so go for it as for me evolution makes more sense to me. If you guys ever watch the tv show BS with Penn and Teller they did a whole show about Creationism over evolution so to me its a no brainer. But I respect the belief in god even though I dont believe in god myself.

But the real question is... does God believe in you? And don't believe everything you see on shows named BS, ok?

 

What's funny, is that all of you wankers think that you can change someones opinion with a post, or by flaming them.

Wow, have we graduted high school yet kiddies?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: xirtam

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
To long to read all of this but here are my thoughts, religion is MAN made period. People have the right to believe what they like so go for it as for me evolution makes more sense to me. If you guys ever watch the tv show BS with Penn and Teller they did a whole show about Creationism over evolution so to me its a no brainer. But I respect the belief in god even though I dont believe in god myself.

But the real question is... does God believe in you? And don't believe everything you see on shows named BS, ok?

Watch the show first then you can say wether or not it can be believed, they talk about everything from bottled water and how tap water can be better then bottled can. Like I said my belief is what I believe and yours belongs to you, they make VERY valid points on the show and back up there findings with scientific proof, and the evolution therory is another example.

 

[Rilescat]

Originally posted by: Fausto1
*sigh*

Commence flamewar.

About the same old thing.

That can't be resolved by either side.

For the 100,000,000th time.

WTF is it with creationists that they feel constantly compelled to disprove evolution? You're 99% chimpanzee. Deal with it.

Ya...no kidding...if creationists were actually half way convinced in God, they wouldn't be trying to convince themselves they were right all the damn time.

Morons.

 

[Rilescat]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: her209
You can prove evolution through mathematical induction.

My problem with mathematical induction is that they always disregard exceptions, mainly the base case. Just as evolution does.

If single cell organisms came from the elements of the universe... where did the elements of the universe come from? And so on? It's like saying this. "It works for everything... except the first one.. but it's still true nevertheless."

Fine then....where did God come from? ----WOA>>>>> SAME STUPID ARGUMENT???

Impressive.....

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: Rilescat

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: her209
You can prove evolution through mathematical induction.

My problem with mathematical induction is that they always disregard exceptions, mainly the base case. Just as evolution does.

If single cell organisms came from the elements of the universe... where did the elements of the universe come from? And so on? It's like saying this. "It works for everything... except the first one.. but it's still true nevertheless."

Fine then....where did God come from? ----WOA>>>>> SAME STUPID ARGUMENT???

Impressive.....

Not really. I don't see where he tried to establish that you could prove God by mathematical induction.

Regardless, the "base case" is going to have to be established by induction and inferential logic if you're even worried about the base case for the universe. Either the universe has always existed, or it had a beginning. If it had a beginning, it was created either by something or by nothing. If it was created by something, that something either had to always be in existence or have been created by something else... and so on until you find something that has always existed. Hence, you either believe in an eternal universe, a universe spontaneously created from nothing, or a universe created by God. But it's not an empirical argument and it's not under empirical observation.

Ya...no kidding...if creationists were actually half way convinced in God, they wouldn't be trying to convince themselves they were right all the damn time.

Morons.

First, what makes you think they're trying to convince themselves? Or are you thrashing them for seeking truth?

Second, if you know the truth, isn't it natural to share it with others?

Third, what's the motivation for creationists to believe in creation? What's the motivation to hold to this idea if it's so obviously false? Just to perpetuate the idea of God? Someone they have to be accountable to? The existence of someone to live for? What's motivating creationists to sacrifice natural selfishness?

The philosophical ramifications of the evolutionary idea as an origin science and global philosophical perspective are very comforting. I don't reject them because I don't like them. I reject them because they're simply false. If you neglect the complexity of our human composition and why our thoughts mean anything to begin with, then evolution works fine. Creationists attempt persuasion -- often times pathetically -- because they're convinced that life and reason matters. If, however, a human is a mere animal and the next phase of life on a planet spontaneously blown into existence <insert long unknown period of time here> ago, the only purpose for humanity is to perpetuate existence. But to what end?

The fact of the matter is that we find, regardless of belief, certain actions to be intuitively wrong. We judge actions and we have conscience. Our conscience is not motivated by some selfish twist of the Darwinian model of "survival of the fittest." We believe that torturing innocent babies for fun is wrong. Not "I believe it to be wrong, but you can have your own opinion on the subject." No. It's wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. We believe that what occurred on 9-11 was wrong. Not, "well, people were just following their religious ideas, so we'll just let it slide." No. It was wrong.

If I accept all the philosophical implications behind a Darwinian model of evolution only, I come to the conclusion that there is no form of ultimate accountability because there is no absolute ethical supremacy. If there is no absolute ethical supremacy, I am neither accountable to you, nor any other individual. I am free of all the accountability problems associated with the idea of God. I can't call 9-11 wrong. I can't call torturing innocent babies for fun wrong. I can call it socially unacceptable. I can call it personally inadmissable. But I cannot call it wrong because I'm left at the same spot WaTagump is at: "your belief is yours and my belief is mine."

As far as science goes, both the evolution model and the creation model make sense if you accept the entire model to be true all at once without considering the evidence. Once you do that, all the "evidence" supports the side you currently believe in, and you can feel free to mold the facts that don't quite jive fall into the theory you currently subscribe to, writing off the rest as "currently unsupported by evidence, but eventually, we'll get there." From an objective scientific basis, I see neither Creation nor Evolution as the obvious choice. It is by introspection that I find evidence of God, and hence choose creation. Not science. I can dig up a quote from an evolutionary Ph. D. who made a similar philosophical choice for the other side... if you think I'm being unreasonable for choosing this. Because it's ultimately a philosophical choice, not an empirical one.

You ask why creationists are trying to be convincing? Some, admittedly, are just trying to win an argument. Others are convinced that morality as a whole is at stake.

 

[BadNewsBears]

So your saying the fish at the bottom of the ocean with no eyes just decided to have no eyes?. No. They adapted to there habitat, AKA EVOLVE

 

[BOBDN]

What makes you believe evolution doesn't square with the biblical account of creation? Haven't you read, "a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day"?

So God creates life and it takes time to become man. A blink of His eye. Evolution to us.

 

[ibintegra]

Originally posted by: Martgorb
God can be disproven with simple logic. If God knows everything that will ever happen, then he knew every person's choices in life in advance. If God = the God from the Bible, then he is good, not evil. How could a good God knowingly create a life-form which is capable of weighing the evidence and concluding that the Bible is false and thus is condemned to burn in hell for eternity?

If God exists, it's not the one from the Bible, and it certainly wouldn't base your eternal fate in your willingness to accept something so superficial, so meaningless in how you choose to actually act in your life day to day.

I have to seriously question the mental capacity of anyone who would believe in one of the many fairy tale religions our species has created.

I would have to admit that I have low mental capacity

 

[dokster]

Why is it that I have a different understanding of evolution that most people out there? I just had a similar discussion with a friend about evolution...

What I understand of evolution...and I still contend that I have a more (if not correct, appropriate) definition of it is:

Evolution is a scientific theory for change. In biological evolution, the medium is DNA. A certain gene pool has a higher likelyhood to be "passed" on than other genes. It is a complex process (not as simple as survival of the fittest) that actually determines which genes are passed on. Thus, evolution is a scientific process that models change.

Period. Evolution does NOT attempt to describe how life came to be. Evolution does NOT try to date the Earth. Evolution does NOT try to prove/disprove a God. In fact, the evolutionary process itself is only a theory. It does not claim itself to be true -- it merely makes a scientific argument to attempt to describe a changing system. It is, like all things in science, a MODEL. MODELs are used by scientist to approximate the truth in terms of making it USEFUL. We don't care if its not absolutely true, as long as we can use it to aid us in whatever we're trying to do. Do think Force = Mass * Acceleration? I'm sure in anything we care about, that's true -- but it is not absolute truth. F=ma is NOT law. They are all MODELs. Actually, evolution isn't even a completed model. Its still being constant revised...

Now, the reason thats there's so much fuss over evolution, is that there are many people taking the theory and already trying to apply it. Thus, trying to date the Earth. Or trying to use it to disprove creationism. The use of evolution to prove that creationism is false is not the same as the theory of evolution! Do not blame the instrument for its usage. As a scientific theory, evolution doesn't attempt to say a whole lot.

I say don't bash evolution. Rather, educate everyone about it so each individual may think about it, then decided for themselves what they think of it. Just my 2c.

Dokster

~Oh, and my definition of "evolution" may be completely off. It seems that most people would disagree with me and combine the theory and application into one thing. If so, then I strongly urge that you reconsider and see that there is a line between evolution as a science, and evolution as a religion. Do not let your bias on religion distract you from the scientific value of the theory of evolution.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Chrishuff1 Ferocious how can you believe in God AND evolution? I like that signature someone on here has that says "Even Darwin knows the truth now" or something like that.

I believe in a higher power and Evolution.

I agree, people just make such a big damn deal about how evolution and a higher power cannot coexist.

If you look at the terms of the challenge it says:


<B>* NOTE:</B>
When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:

1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.
3. Matter created life by itself.
4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).
   
   
   
   
   
   Looks like some moron hasn't read Darwin's theory and has no clue what evolution is. Evolution theory does not claim any of those things. Some people need to pick up a high school text book and read what evolution is, and what evolution theory states.
   

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
What makes you believe evolution doesn't square with the biblical account of creation? Haven't you read, "a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day"? So God creates life and it takes time to become man. A blink of His eye. Evolution to us.

Again, someone who can talk sense. Evolution and religion are not mutually exclusive.