25 People to Blame for the Financial Crisis

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Time.com Article

Just starting to read it...more comments to come.

Wonder if Bill Clinton or Barney Frank are on the list?

Edit: Clinton made the list...and so do the "American People"

No Barney Frank
 

ProfJohn

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Good article.

Way to fair and balanced for P&N so I doubt many people will respond to this thread.
 

RichardE

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Marked for tomorrow after I hand in essays since I expect it to be on the 5th page by than ;)
 

zerocool84

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I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.

It is a little more complicated than that ;)
 

her209

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.
Did the bankers lobby for deregulation?
 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.

Over-leveraging is what got the banks in trouble.
 

StageLeft

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How can the guy on the first page in the blue suit have such a small body for that head?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Good article.

Way to fair and balanced for P&N so I doubt many people will respond to this thread.

Agreed it is a good article, but there was a Bush dig in there because it happened on his watch, at least they mentioned he wanted more regulation of fannie and freddy.
 

Genx87

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Flip This house and our desire to live beyond our means had a lot to do with this. Glad they mentioned it.
 

wetech

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
How can the guy on the first page in the blue suit have such a small body for that head?

They're all bad photoshop jobs. There's a bunch of photo's where the head size doesn't match the body. Bush's head is way to big, and Marion Sandler's head is the size of a basketball.
 

Chunkee

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Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.

Over-leveraging is what got the banks in trouble.

Right on target.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: Chunkee
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.

Over-leveraging is what got the banks in trouble.

Right on target.

Yup.

While it's fun to finger individuals the overall concept is Fail at this point.

The blame lies in abuse of leverage and securitization in a laissez-faire regulatory environment.

How else could CDOs rise 900% in less than 6 years?

 

MovingTarget

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Good article. These guys definitely should be on the American public's "Tar and Feather if given the opportunity" list.

(disclaimer: I am not indicating in any way that these guys were the only ones responsible or saying others are blameless)
 

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.
Did the bankers lobby for deregulation?

Deregulation wasn't the problem. Underhanded threats by certain members of Congress were.
 

Pliablemoose

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Angelo Mozilo
Phil Gramm
Alan Greenspan
Chris Cox
American Consumers
Hank Paulson
Joe Cassano
Ian McCarthy
Frank Raines
Kathleen Corbet
Dick Fuld
Marion and Herb Sandler
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Stan O'Neal
Wen Jiabao
David Lereah
John Devaney
Bernie Madoff
Lew Ranieri
Burton Jablin
Fred Goodwin
Sandy Weill
David Oddsson
Jimmy Cayne

 

sunzt

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.

Those banks and institutions were the biggest reason why the the loans were still being made. They repackaged all those loans into securities that they got investment grade rankings for and sold to other institutions and foreign entities. The banks were literally making bank!! Their greed led to them demanding more mortgages from the lenders and thus the lenders found more "creative" ways to give people (who previously weren't qualified enough) access to a home loan. The lenders made bank because the banks were demanding more loans, no matter how sketchy. There would always be a buyer on wall street for any loan, no matter how bad it was.

Do you honestly think that the banks/institutions didn't know who were signing those loans? They all knew the risks and the fact that it was all going to explode. Some thought it would go on forever, but most just wanted to get out before it sank, which they obviously didn't.

Basically, the banks had divisions (structured assets/mortages) those sole purpose was to repackage all the sh&ty loans into something that would be investment grade and then get rid of it as soon as possible because it was such crap.

The greed on wall street really made this thing explode and demanded more loans from lenders who in turn devised of creative, immoral, and sometimes illegal/deciptive ways to give out loans to everyone who had a breath.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think it's funny we still blame banks/ceo's for us Americans getting home loans we couldn't afford.

Its simple, the banks(CEOs), knew what they were doing was extremely risk, but they did it anyways so they could run with their $30million annual salaries/bonuses/stock options.

Businesses are SUPPOSED to weigh risk vs benefit to the business.

Instead the upper management weighed risk vs personal benefit to themselves.

The management knew what they were doing would eventually cause major problems, but all they saw was $$$$$$$$ in their bank accounts(probably off shore).
 

Rustler

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Bill Clinton

He oversaw an era of great ­prosperity ? and deregulation. ­Clinton ushered out the Glass-Steagall Act and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. He also ­loosened housing rules, putting added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. None of it was an endorsement of permissive lending and risk-taking. But if you believe deregulation is to blame for our troubles, then Clinton earned a share too.

 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: Rustler
Bill Clinton

He oversaw an era of great ­prosperity ? and deregulation. ­Clinton ushered out the Glass-Steagall Act and signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which exempted credit-default swaps from regulation. He also ­loosened housing rules, putting added pressure on banks to lend in low-income neighborhoods. None of it was an endorsement of permissive lending and risk-taking. But if you believe deregulation is to blame for our troubles, then Clinton earned a share too.

Its over-leveraging that killed us, not general deregulation. Banks were allowed to leverage at a 30:1 ratio. This wasn't allowed during the Clinton administration, but once Bush took over, he let the banks loose.

 

JS80

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China should be #1-20 on that list.

You have to pretty much blame the investors. No easy credit, no investors = no CDO, no/very little securitization, no wall st leverage, no shady mortgage broker, no dumb home buyer.
 

Rustler

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Banking has been heavily regulated, controlled, and manipulated for political purposes for many years. Creeping socialism has existed in the banking industry for decades. Occasionally, the "creeping" aspect has been replaced by giant leaps toward a socialist state. The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was more a "leap" than "creep."

The CRA, and a host of related government lending regulations, coerced (forced) banks to make marginal or bad loans to people with low-income, unstable income, and/or poor credit histories. By supporting these laws and regulations politicians pleased special-interest groups. Politicians were repaid for their efforts with large voting blocks.

I remember a meeting with the senior executive team of our bank in which federal examiners told us that we had to make a large number of "marginal loans." In this meeting the Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Chief Operating Officer (COO), and I (the Chief Financial Officer) sat in stunned silence as the federal examiners told us what we must do.

With a stack of loan files (loans we had planned to reject) in front of them, the federal examiners told us these "marginal" loans must be made to improve our CRA rating. While CRA did not mandate civil or punitive damages, CRA required a four-tier rating system with performance levels: outstanding, satisfactory, needs-to-improve, or substantial noncompliance. These ratings were made public. The bottom two ratings meant public outrage. Satisfactory was not "satisfactory" because some of our competitors were already advertising their outstanding rating.

Like hundreds of other banks around the country, we were forced to comply with the government's attempts at social re-engineering. Banks across America originated these loans and then sold them in the secondary market.

Many of these subprime loans were pooled (securitized) into bonds. Bonds backed by mortgage loans (mortgage-backed securities) became very popular investment vehicles. To help "improve liquidity in the secondary market" FHLMC (Freddie Mac) and FNMA (Fannie Mae), two government-sponsored organizations, stepped in to guarantee the securities (mortgage-backed bonds) with implied AAA ratings of the federal government. This meant we now had AAA-rated bonds backed by subprime loans flooding the marketplace.

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