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240hz displays

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Yesterday in a Fry's add I saw an ad for a Samsung (IIRC) 52" 240hz display.

Why does anyone need this? 120hz is all you'd ever need for perfect motion quality. Is it simply marketing?
 
I think they are running out of things to differentiate their product lines. So go with the classic bigger number approach. This has 240hz vs 120hz, that is TWICE AS MUCH! And it is 4 times, count it, 4 times as much as 60hz. Next thing you know people will try to overlock their TVs.

I watched 120hz last Summer when I got a 40" Sammy LCD. Yeah I could see the difference but not entirely sure I liked it. There was this layering affect that reminded me of public televisions doctor who.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think they are running out of things to differentiate their product lines. So go with the classic bigger number approach. This has 240hz vs 120hz, that is TWICE AS MUCH! And it is 4 times, count it, 4 times as much as 60hz. Next thing you know people will try to overlock their TVs.

I watched 120hz last Summer when I got a 40" Sammy LCD. Yeah I could see the difference but not entirely sure I liked it. There was this layering affect that reminded me of public televisions doctor who.
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The Club for TVs! :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I think they are running out of things to differentiate their product lines. So go with the classic bigger number approach. This has 240hz vs 120hz, that is TWICE AS MUCH! And it is 4 times, count it, 4 times as much as 60hz. Next thing you know people will try to overlock their TVs.

I watched 120hz last Summer when I got a 40" Sammy LCD. Yeah I could see the difference but not entirely sure I liked it. There was this layering affect that reminded me of public televisions doctor who.
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It took me over 6 months to decide on my new TV. Spending countless trips to PCRichards, BestBuy, Circuit City, etc. 120MHz LCD TV is far and away the superior picture over standard LCD's. There is no comparison. I've watched them side by side for all that time before prices came down to where I was comfortable. I bought the Samsung 650 with AutoMotion 120Hz. 46". I'm willing to bet that there won't be much improvement going to 240Hz, but I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised. But I won't be in the market for a new TV for quite some time to come.
 
Oh I definately felt the picture was crisper but not sure if I liked the layering effect I saw. I bought the 40" sammy, then a 67" Sammy LED DLP last November. I wont be in need of a TV for some time 😀 So I wont have to worry about it.

 
The main advantage I can see to having higher frequency displays beyond somewhat improved smoothness is that you get less and less tearing. There isn't a single tolerable method of vsync for me yet, so I don't use it. Having a monitor that was so fast that I would never see tearing would be nice.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh I definately felt the picture was crisper but not sure if I liked the layering effect I saw. I bought the 40" sammy, then a 67" Sammy LED DLP last November. I wont be in need of a TV for some time 😀 So I wont have to worry about it.
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Can you explain this "layering" more?
 
yeah, I've even seen plasmas specifically advertised as 600Hz even if they don't do any internal processing to interpolate the extra frames required to match 😛
 
prices of 60Hz Tvs are going down thanks to new 120Hz models coming out. Now is good time to buy 60Hz set, not 120Hz one.
 
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
prices of 60Hz Tvs are going down thanks to new 120Hz models coming out. Now is good time to buy 60Hz set, not 120Hz one.
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Will wait for the 120hz ones.

Once you get that, you've got the perfect display.
 
The advantage with 120Hz/240Hz TVs is that manufacturers usually put better panels in those models since they're higher end. (10-bit vs 8-bit, for example...) Some also do 5:5 pulldown for 24fps movies.

The Motionflow/AutoMotion Plus features don't look better IMO, and they introduce input lag so they're useless for gaming. A TV should simply be calibrated for accurate colors and brightness/contrast, it shouldn't be doing a bunch of post-processing.

 
Originally posted by: Spicedaddy
The advantage with 120Hz/240Hz TVs is that manufacturers usually put better panels in those models since they're higher end. (10-bit vs 8-bit, for example...) Some also do 5:5 pulldown for 24fps movies.

The Motionflow/AutoMotion Plus features don't look better IMO, and they introduce input lag so they're useless for gaming. A TV should simply be calibrated for accurate colors and brightness/contrast, it shouldn't be doing a bunch of post-processing.
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Agreed on all accounts.
 
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
prices of 60Hz Tvs are going down thanks to new 120Hz models coming out. Now is good time to buy 60Hz set, not 120Hz one.
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Will wait for the 120hz ones.

Once you get that, you've got the perfect display.
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Absolutely. Seeing the 60 and the 120 side by side for months made me decide to DEFINITELY NOT buy the 60, no matter how cheap they were becoming.
 
It is really hard to judge picture quality of screens in the big box stores without knowing what post-processing functions are enabled. If you can judge side by side with effects off then it is a big help. The layering someone commented on might have been due to processing more so than the 120hz panel itself.
 
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh I definately felt the picture was crisper but not sure if I liked the layering effect I saw. I bought the 40" sammy, then a 67" Sammy LED DLP last November. I wont be in need of a TV for some time 😀 So I wont have to worry about it.
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Can you explain this "layering" more?
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To me it looked like each person\object was on a different plain. The best thing I can compare it to is some british shows you will see on public television like Doctor Who.
 
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