24 hours Le Mans crash

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

"Passion" and "soul" matter for your own car, for a race car it doesn't. Its purpose is not to be attractive, it is to go faster than the other guy.

That's not what I mean, you moron. I am referring to the engine. Their turbo diesel sucks. The design of their cars could definitely be better, though.

 

[Fenixgoon]

That's not what I mean, you moron. I am referring to the engine. Their turbo diesel sucks. The design of their cars could definitely be better, though.

what about it sucks?

 

[sdifox]

That's not what I mean, you moron. I am referring to the engine. Their turbo diesel sucks. The design of their cars could definitely be better, though.

Is that why they won 4 of last 5 years? by having a sucky turbo diesel? :biggrin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners

it would be impressive if they can still win this year with 2 out of 3 cars gone.

 

[Bignate603]

That's not what I mean, you moron. I am referring to the engine. Their turbo diesel sucks. The design of their cars could definitely be better, though.

Yes, because everyone could understand that you were talking about the engine after saying stuff like this...

Yes. It's the most bland racing car I have ever seen, in every sense of the word.

My point still stands though, soul and passion don't matter in a race car. The whole point is to go faster than the other guy.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

what about it sucks?

The fact that horsepower is considerably down in comparison to the older engines and, to a smaller degree, that it's silent. The older engine in the R15 TDI sucked, but this just takes it to a higher level. It's now a 3.7L V6 with a single turbocharger instead of a 5.5L V10 with twin turbochargers which lowered horsepower from 590 HP to 540 HP. Torque should've gone down considerably as well.

Hopefully they hit reliability snags.

 

[punjabiplaya]

it's now that size and power because of regulations to bring performance more into line with the gas powered cars

but thanks for being the new AT garage idiot.

 

[Bignate603]

The fact that horsepower is considerably down in comparison to the older engines and, to a smaller degree, that it's silent. The older engine in the R15 TDI sucked, but this just takes it to a higher level. It's now a 3.7L V6 with a single turbocharger instead of a 5.5L V10 with twin turbochargers which lowered horsepower from 590 HP to 540 HP. Torque should've gone down considerably as well.

Hopefully they hit reliability snags.

That would be a problem with the organization making the rules, not Audi.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Is that why they won 4 of last 5 years? by having a sucky turbo diesel? :biggrin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners

it would be impressive if they can still win this year with 2 out of 3 cars gone.

That doesn't mean anything. Peugeot decided to push for sucky diesels after seeing Audi did it, helped by the racing associations giving them (the diesels) a preference.

 

[punjabiplaya]

gtfo troll

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

it's now that size and power because of regulations to bring performance more into line with the gas powered cars

but thanks for being the new AT garage idiot.

The regulations suck and, by extension, so does the engine. Your argument doesn't change anything: whether it was Audi's fault or that of the regulators, the new engine sucks.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

gtfo troll

Wow, what a compelling argument.

I think it's clear who's the troll.

 

[Bignate603]

The regulations suck and, by extension, so does the engine. Your argument doesn't change anything: whether it was Audi's fault or that of the regulators, the new engine sucks.

This is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard today. You don't like change, do you?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

This is one of the more ridiculous things I've heard today. You don't like change, do you?

Change for the sake of making things worse, no. I don't see how you can make that argument when the new engine has a lot less horsepower and torque.

 

[punjabiplaya]

it's change to make the diesels closer in performance to the gas cars.

do you have a problem with reading and comprehension?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

it's change to make the diesels closer in performance to the gas cars.

The point----------------------------------------->you.

First, they put more restrictions on the gas powered cars to the point where the diesels had a very good advantage. Then, because of the (understandable) outrage of most, they tried to put them on par, but in the completely wrong way. Instead of lowering restrictions for the gas powered cars so they could have the option of higher power output, they raise restrictions on the diesels.

do you have a problem with reading and comprehension?

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Bignate603]

The point----------------------------------------->you.

First, they put more restrictions on the gas powered cars to the point where the diesels had a very good advantage. Then, because of the (understandable) outrage of most, they tried to put them on par, but in the completely wrong way. Instead of lowering restrictions for the gas powered cars so they could have the option of higher power output, they raise restrictions on the diesels.

You don't understand why they put restrictions on the cars, do you?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

You don't understand why they put restrictions on the cars, do you?

Yes, I do. Did you even read my comment?

It's hopeless to even discuss this with you. All you can come up with as counterarguments are stupid one-liners.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

The point----------------------------------------->you.

First, they put more restrictions on the gas powered cars to the point where the diesels had a very good advantage. Then, because of the (understandable) outrage of most, they tried to put them on par, but in the completely wrong way. Instead of lowering restrictions for the gas powered cars so they could have the option of higher power output, they raise restrictions on the diesels.



Pot, meet kettle.

Don't you realize the (obvious) advantages of a diesel engine in an endurance race?

 

[RiDE]

Anybody watching? Top 2 look like they are running a sprint race.

3 second gap and last lap within a tenth of each other.

http://www.lemans.org/en/races/24h-du-mans/live-2011/live-timing.html

EDIT: Top 3 now bunched up under safety car

 

[Bignate603]

Yes, I do. Did you even read my comment?

It's hopeless to even discuss this with you. All you can come up with as counterarguments are stupid one-liners.

And you don't seem to understand my point. Do you understand why race cars in general have restrictions on their design? Not the Le Mans cars, but cars for any race series.

 

[RiDE]

holy isht

More pics by Geoffroy Barre on Flickr

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Don't you realize the (obvious) advantages of a diesel engine in an endurance race?

I do. I don't have a problem with the diesel engines. I just have a problem with Audi's implementation.

Diesel engines obviously have a fuel efficiency and torque advantage in comparison to the normal petrol cars, but they're being gimped too much. The horsepower output on the R15 TDI was low as-is.

 

[alfa147x]

Looks like LOL_Wut_Axel wont get his way

 

[sdifox]

The regulations suck and, by extension, so does the engine. Your argument doesn't change anything: whether it was Audi's fault or that of the regulators, the new engine sucks.

Rule changes are the facts of life in racing. Deal with it.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]