24" 4K monitors 2014 pre-sightings

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Apple. soon.

Going to need some new video cards to push 4K :(

What? 4K? 4K doesn't matter. It's going to be years B4 4K is a factor. By then we'll be on 14nm. We certainly don't need to be concerned today having cards designed for higher resolutions. /sarc
 

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What? 4K? 4K doesn't matter. It's going to be years B4 4K is a factor. By then we'll be on 14nm. We certainly don't need to be concerned today having cards designed for higher resolutions. /sarc

Well, if you are happy with 30-35 fps....Then the current gen cards will suit you fine.
 

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There's more to 4K than games. And 30fps isn't bad, and even more so with Nvidia's synchronized monitor refresh thing. Another thing is that games at non-native would look better on 4K monitors, like classical resolution-locked games.
 
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Well, if you are happy with 30-35 fps....Then the current gen cards will suit you fine.

Well, $800 for crossfired 290's would work. Especially considering the reduced need for AA at that high of a pixel density. Who knows, maybe a single one with Mantle?
 

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What do you mean? G-sync should help 4K at 30fps just the same.

But yeah, 120Hz would be a nice to have as well. I'm hoping we'll see 4K 60Hz monitors that can do 120Hz+ at lower resolutions.
 

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After using 30" and 27" displays for a long time now, the prospect of using a 24" display even if its 4K is not very tempting. 4K at 30" or larger is a different story entirely and am looking forward to see what 2014 brings especially once hdmi 2.0 is available..
 

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What do you mean? G-sync should help 4K at 30fps just the same.

But yeah, 120Hz would be a nice to have as well. I'm hoping we'll see 4K 60Hz monitors that can do 120Hz+ at lower resolutions.

GSync is only going to be available on 120/144Hz displays. Also, it disengages below 30fps. That means you would have to maintain 30fps minimum, not avg., for GSync to do anything.
 

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After using 30" and 27" displays for a long time now, the prospect of using a 24" display even if its 4K is not very tempting. 4K at 30" or larger is a different story entirely and am looking forward to see what 2014 brings especially once hdmi 2.0 is available..

Yeah. When I can get a 36''+ 4k display, I will get (2) and be VERY happy for a while. :)
 

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Well, $800 for crossfired 290's would work. Especially considering the reduced need for AA at that high of a pixel density. Who knows, maybe a single one with Mantle?

That is true. Without AA any SLI set up (760 and up) and any CF set up (7950 and up) could probably do fine. I think most benches so far are still using 4xAA.

Need benches with Ultra detail, AF @ 16x and no AA...or possibly just FXAA...and some screenshots.

And sheh, yeah G-Sync will make 4K very doable for Maxwell GPU's I imagine.

GSync is only going to be available on 120/144Hz displays.

Are you sure? The models they have been using to demonstrate so far have all been 60hz I thought which is why they were showing the 30-60 fps demonstration.
 
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sheh

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After using 30" and 27" displays for a long time now, the prospect of using a 24" display even if its 4K is not very tempting.
You already have that. I'm looking forward to 24", not larger ones.

GSync is only going to be available on 120/144Hz displays. Also, it disengages below 30fps.
Any articles on that? It sounds improbable. The whole idea is to allow arbitrary framerates, and particularly help with slow ones.
 

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I thought it was general knowledge. The one Asus monitor that's it coming on, and can be retrofitted to is 144Hz, IIRC. I'll see if I can find the original GSync article. It was in there.

Well, looking quickly, I found this quote from Tom's
Unfortunately, G-Sync requires its own ecosystem, so new G-Sync-enabled monitors are required, equipped with the new G-Sync scaler, and these monitors are capable of 144 Hz refresh rates.

All of the models that have been announced as supporting GSync are 144Hz TN monitors, AFAIK.

This is from nVidia's GSync page.
GEFORCE-G-SYNC-Performance_Chart.jpg


It very well might be possible on 60Hz monitors, but it doesn't look like they have any intention of using it. I believe that also uses nVidia's light boost tech.
 
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It's a shame that most video cards only have one DisplayPort output, since only DP can handle 4K @ 60Hz currently.
AMD had previously specified two mini-DP outputs on many of their high-end products, but many AIB vendors dropped one of the DPs in favor of a second DVI output. I blame the cheap Korean monitors for this trend.
Nvidia never had dual DP outputs on any of their consumer cards as far as I know.
 

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4k at 120hz or more is looking unlikely at this point. You won't ever get me to buy a less than 120hz monitor now I have one, going back to 60 for 4k will not happen. The spec however doesn't support that so I don't see high refresh rate a coming to 4k for quite a while.
 

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thunderbolt should work fine. for the apple. most of those folks that can afford a mac pro won't sweat a $2000 monitor or (3 of them)
 

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After using 30" and 27" displays for a long time now, the prospect of using a 24" display even if its 4K is not very tempting. 4K at 30" or larger is a different story entirely and am looking forward to see what 2014 brings especially once hdmi 2.0 is available..

Agreed!

I'd agree with a few others here in that when it comes to immersiveness for home entertainment, bigger is better. Period. It's very similar to watching an HDTV in your living room: bigger is better. When you're sitting 10 feet away and watching a blu ray, would you rather watch it on a 35" screen or an 80" screen? Bigger is more immersive for gaming and movies.

Now, I do think the 24 inch 4k screens will be a great compromise for those who are space limited or budget limited. But having used 30 inch 1600p screens, they're really tough to beat in terms of gaming - you really have to experience it to understand. The size and screen real estate really adds to the gaming experience IMO.

The differences in PPI are fairly minor as well, and PPI doesn't really play a factor when you're gaming, a difference of 40-50 isn't a big factor. Where PPI does matter is for small devices such as phones and tablets which you hold 2 inches to 1 feet away from your face - obviously with those types of devices, higher PPI helps quite a bit because you spend the great majority of your time looking at tiny text on handheld devices. Conversely, when you're gaming - you're not staring at tiny text the entire time. You do not need 400 PPI for a good gaming experience. Again, bigger is better for gaming and media consumption. PPI does help for productivity if you're space limited or budget limited, OR using a handheld device which you hold 2 inches from your face (ie smartphone). None of this matters with a PC desktop screen, especially for gaming. MAYBE productivity. But not gaming.
 
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I thought it was general knowledge. The one Asus monitor that's it coming on, and can be retrofitted to is 144Hz, IIRC. I'll see if I can find the original GSync article. It was in there.

Well, looking quickly, I found this quote from Tom's


All of the models that have been announced as supporting GSync are 144Hz TN monitors, AFAIK.

This is from nVidia's GSync page.
GEFORCE-G-SYNC-Performance_Chart.jpg


It very well might be possible on 60Hz monitors, but it doesn't look like they have any intention of using it. I believe that also uses nVidia's light boost tech.

I believe what was meant by that is the first monitors being delivered will be 120hz and 144hz, but I am not certain. They have reached out to Overlord as well, which means the first IPS screens with it will likely be their 120hz IPS displays. However, they have noted that they want to get 4K displays as well, which means they likely aren't required to have 120hz for it to work.
 

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Are there any 24" 1440p/1600p monitors? Why would they just skip this resolution, because it is not a "TV standard"?

Ah, I see the ASUS rep just said to expect higher DPI monitors next year. Didn't really say it would be 4K though. But I guess if Phillips is coming out with a 24" 4K, ASUS could use the same panels.
 
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sheh

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All of the models that have been announced as supporting GSync are 144Hz TN monitors, AFAIK.
I assume it's just because they're targeting, to begin with, hardcore gamers.

Now, I do think the 24 inch 4k screens will be a great compromise for those who are space limited or budget limited. But having used 30 inch 1600p screens, they're really tough to beat in terms of gaming
Sure, size is nice, but not for general use. So I'm for an HDTV for gaming, and 24" for general purpose computer monitor, including gaming when the large screen isn't desirable.

Are there any 24" 1440p/1600p monitors? Why would they just skip this resolution, because it is not a "TV standard"?

Ah, I see the ASUS rep just said to expect higher DPI monitors next year. Didn't really say it would be 4K though.
4K was the topic and that's the "new thing", so I assume that's where 24 inchers will go as well. x1600 (okay, even x1440) would also be some sort of an upgrade, but I'd want more DPI if possible.